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1969 Z28 Garage find after 20 years!
« on: May 07, 2015, 03:51:43 AM »
Hello CRG. Not sure if it's ok to post this but, if anyone is interested, a real deal 69 z just popped up in Northern Cal on Craigs list. You can find it in Sacramento listings but the car is 3 hours North near where I live. I was the first any only one to look at it today after some serious smoozing and convincing the owner I wasn't there to offer him $3-$5 grand like everyone was doing on the phone. He has a long term history on the car and has owned it for over 20 years (parked in a garage I've driven by 100 times). 1995 reg on the plates. I don't want to give a full write up here but it is a correct survivor. The car is basically complete and all the important stuff is there including VIN correct DZ, carb, intake, Muncie, 4 leaf 12 bolt etc. The car has one repaint and codes to be Rally green (79-79). And mid night green standard int (723). This car was driven home and parked, motor pulled to be freshened up (it's apart), the muncie got restored and that's about it. Perfect body with ZERO rust except two small dents from the rear guards below the bumper. He can tell you the rest but I'm sure he's worn out as he mentioned messages coming in from as far as Texas while I was there. I think hes looking for an offer of mid to high $20's. One more thing that was interesting is it has a fold down rear seat. no trim options, has incorrect rear spoiler and probably was a flat hood car. Great car to restore for sure. Better than all these cut apart and re-bodied things that keep showing up. Good luck! 
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Re: 1969 Z28 Garage find after 20 years!
« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2015, 03:58:41 AM »
One more thing on the 69 Z28 above. It had the "cable" throttle linkage with a funky bracket hanging off it. No power steering but it has power disc brakes.
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« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2015, 05:26:20 AM »
Well I looked and can't find it. Can you post a link?
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« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2015, 06:33:15 AM »
Tim in Australia.
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« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2015, 12:06:28 PM »
Guessing X77 car but it has the tail light trim??  Could have been added I guess. ???  Regardless this car just needs a good cleaning and gone over and then driven..  It "looks" fairly original..  But its only 4 photos too...

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« Reply #5 on: May 07, 2015, 12:56:50 PM »
The engine is apart; it's been re-painted a non-original color. Lots of stuff needs to be verified. Mid-high $20s is all it is worth considering the investment required to paint it, build the motor and make it roadworthy.

Great car to build but I'd be careful.

   
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« Reply #6 on: May 07, 2015, 01:24:16 PM »
It's an LA built car. It is all the money in my book too, but for someone looking to build and keep one it's a great platform with all the proper stuff present. No money to be spent on metal work other than stripping it it down for paint work. Another local 69 collector has pictures from years ago when it was in bare metal for this repaint. He tried to buy it at that time (when it was in the body shop) but it wasn't for sale. So take that for what it's worth. Here are some more pics from when I was there.
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« Reply #7 on: May 07, 2015, 01:31:58 PM »
A couple of things from the 1980's that need to be unwound is: filled fender antenna hole (power antenna located in pass quarter), wrong steering wheel, aftermarket cassette player in dash, ignition box on firewall, "disco louvers" on inside of rear window, and tow hooks of front subframe. It was supposedly drag raced back in the day here locally. More pics:
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« Reply #8 on: May 07, 2015, 02:40:17 PM »
Neat find.  Cost quite a bit to restore correctly.  Makes it hard for me to justify the price he's looking for unless.... all the right parts and pieces, even the little things, would have to be there for that kind of money.

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« Reply #9 on: May 07, 2015, 02:52:44 PM »
The way I look at it, for 20-25K, if most of what he says is there (correct original block) and running gear, and the body is as solid as advertised, this would be a great driver. If it were me, when I was ready to paint, I might try to spray this one myself, knowing that it was going to be continuously driven and get more rock chips and such along the way. If you did a little at a time with it , and kept it running it would keep the fire burning. Do a quick aerosol over haul on the engine compartment, and stick a running chevy small block in it until you had the 302 rebuilt. Mask off the tires and spray the wheels silver, until you could locate 4 decent tires, then maybe blast the wheels and do it the right way later on..

I think over a couple of years of a part here, a little elbow grease there, this would be a hell of a car to drive, and I don't think you would lose money in the process, as far as value is concerned.
just my 2 cents!  :)
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Re: 1969 Z28 Garage find after 20 years!
« Reply #10 on: May 07, 2015, 03:21:09 PM »
What steering wheel should it have with green standard interior and low trim options?
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« Reply #11 on: May 07, 2015, 03:30:01 PM »
I would guess standard wheel with camera case finish:
similar to this ...
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« Reply #12 on: May 07, 2015, 03:33:01 PM »
A few more pics.amazing that the silver facing on the dash bezel is good. This car is not sun burnt, just a crappy 80's repaint that's faded.  One of the rear bumper guards and the center caps are inside the car. He said the other guard got lost.
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« Reply #13 on: May 07, 2015, 03:39:29 PM »
Steering wheel type makes sense but dark green in this car I would imagine. Tail pan pic shows dents from the bottom of the guards location. Also, 67-68 style rear spoiler.After looking at my pics I see that it is an old style two shaft cassette player (no cutting of the bezel)
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« Reply #14 on: May 07, 2015, 03:44:02 PM »
Well I was thinking the spoiler would be correct for the early date of this car, right?
(also corrected the interior color pic)
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« Reply #15 on: May 07, 2015, 04:19:03 PM »
Somebody with better knowledge than me on 69's will have to confirm the spoiler thing. I'm more of a 67-68 guy. I know just enough to get myself in trouble
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« Reply #16 on: May 07, 2015, 04:49:17 PM »
If this is in fact a 12B build (if I'm reading that right?)  2nd week of December 68 would indeed be a short spoiler.  So that could be originally applied, but have to see under the decklid for more clues.

Basically would have to see the car in person to make any determination on value for me, but I do agree Bullitt, would be a neat car to go through the drivetrain on to make it dependable, and drive as is to enjoy without worry.  Was thinking of doing the same thing with mine.  I rarely ever sell any of my stuff so I'm not in the hobby to flip cars and make money, but I certainly don't care to get in over my head on one either when you figure asking price and cost of restoration, then given what ever the current private sale market is on a particular car.  That's how I look at it because eventually I'll be too old to enjoy these things and they'll have to go somewhere  ;D

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« Reply #17 on: May 07, 2015, 04:53:45 PM »
Correct; D80 '69s built through about 01B could only use the '68 rear spoiler. They then used both spoilers in production until early March.
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« Reply #18 on: May 07, 2015, 06:02:19 PM »
Ok, so what would have been the correct original stripe color for this car? White?
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Re: 1969 Z28 Garage find after 20 years!
« Reply #19 on: May 07, 2015, 06:42:04 PM »
Any idea as to what the V.I.N. is on this car?  I believe mine was built the day after.
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« Reply #20 on: May 07, 2015, 06:43:05 PM »
Ok, so what would have been the correct original stripe color for this car? White?

Yup.

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« Reply #21 on: May 07, 2015, 07:18:28 PM »
I looked at the dash VIN but didn't get a pic. Sorry. Also, what determines the stripe color?
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« Reply #23 on: May 08, 2015, 02:37:31 AM »
Thanks for the link. I need to brush up on my 69 details I guess. So along this line, I have seen Rally Green and Hugger Orange cars with black stripes in the past. Incorrect repaints I guess?
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« Reply #24 on: May 08, 2015, 02:38:50 AM »
Wonder if the concrete core (cylinder) where the shifter handle should be is to stop critters getting through the tunnel cutout?
On the white stripe question, if you wanted a parchment vinyl roof, that dictated white stripes.
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« Reply #25 on: May 08, 2015, 04:09:40 AM »
Thanks for the link. I need to brush up on my 69 details I guess. So along this line, I have seen Rally Green and Hugger Orange cars with black stripes in the past. Incorrect repaints I guess?
Look at the chart again. 69 is complicated by the top color - those are right cause they have black tops.
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« Reply #26 on: May 08, 2015, 04:13:33 AM »
Ahhhhaaaa!!!! Learning I am.
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« Reply #27 on: May 08, 2015, 04:40:19 AM »
Good catch on the concrete core in the console pic! I didn't want to push my luck and ask him why. Another foot note to the story since I'm sharing what I was told by the owner: Two summers ago there was a major fire in this rural area where he lives. He was the last person to be taken out by the Cal Fire crew. He said when he looked back there were 40-50 ft. high flames across the road from his garage. Somehow all that burned were the steps to the side door. He lost two other cars and three more sheds but it went right around the garage. Check the back ground in the pics and see the dry grass again (and burnt trees) He said god must like Camaros cause there's no reason the shop should've made it. Almost lost one more of these treasures. I hope someone puts a deal together to restore this one properly.
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« Reply #28 on: May 08, 2015, 08:48:08 PM »
Would be interesting to know how many of the original engine parts it retains and if the eng and trans #'s were indeed the original born with ?  That's could make a big difference between a low/mid $20K buy to the low $30's ... IMO
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« Reply #29 on: May 08, 2015, 09:23:52 PM »
Yeah that's really what I was getting at with my comments and why I'd really have to see the car in person to make my own judgement call.  If the engine has been out of this thing for the last 20 years you never know what's missing or lost.  It's all those little things that nickle and dime you to dealth and easily turn into $1,000's when you're hunting parts.  Especially if reproduction isn't your thing and you must have OEM parts.  Then you get into a real treasure hunt that puts a dent in the bank account.

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« Reply #30 on: May 08, 2015, 10:27:28 PM »
It's all those little things that nickel and dime you to death and easily turn into $1,000's when you're hunting parts.  Especially if reproduction isn't your thing and you must have OEM parts.  Then you get into a real treasure hunt that puts a dent in the bank account.

Exactly! Alternator, distributor, etc...  :o

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« Reply #31 on: May 09, 2015, 12:16:50 AM »
Would be interesting to know how many of the original engine parts it retains and if the eng and trans #'s were indeed the original born with ?  That's could make a big difference between a low/mid $20K buy to the low $30's ... IMO

It's going to cost a bunch to restore and no matter what is there your upside down immediately but as you, Paul and others have mentioned the missing parts can kill you as well. I've seen some cars that have the main original items (long block, trans & rear) but both the large (carb & dist. for example) and small detail items have been stripped from the car and in many cases that's the easy money to be made. Buy the car reasonable, strip good parts easy to sell, and then resell the car.
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« Reply #32 on: May 09, 2015, 12:43:43 AM »
I agree the small Engine items can be pricey *when available , but I think having the original drive train is key. If you want to gather parts for it, I figure each part you are able to obtain at market rate or below, you can always add on to your purchase price, or if need be sell off separately. I am trying to help a friend possibly get a 69 Z , and a car like this makes the dream of owning a real Z with the possibility of a numbers matching car within his grasp.

This car isn't for everyone, I understand. For those of us that may not be able to afford a very complete nicely restored/ or complete unrestored car this type of a car is an opportunity, and for the right owner can provide years of satisfaction in as is condition (running of corse).

I got very lucky with my car, (it was more car than I could afford). I am sure there are many Camaro owners that feel fortunate that they were able to get their car back when they did, at the price they paid for it. Even the most recent guys like Danny with his unrestored car, you can tell how excited he is just going to the junk yard for bolts and little stuff.
We all like our cars for different reasons, but thats what great about it. There is a car out there for everyone (sometimes more than one!) ;D
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« Reply #33 on: May 09, 2015, 01:06:07 AM »
I'm just trying to learn here.  If this is a second week of Dec., 1968 car is it correct to have an 8,000 rpm tach?  My 01C car has a 7,000 rpm tach. 

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« Reply #34 on: May 09, 2015, 01:34:30 AM »
From CRG...

During the 1969 production year, the Z28 used three tachometers.

In chronological production order:
• 6000 rpm redline with 7000 rpm maximum (early-mid)
• 6000 rpm redline with 8000 rpm maximum (mid-late)
• 6500 rpm redline with 8000 rpm maximum (very late)


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« Reply #35 on: May 09, 2015, 01:44:59 AM »
I doubt the tach is original to the car. That would be the earliest 8000 rpm installation I am aware of by a couple of months.
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« Reply #36 on: May 09, 2015, 02:24:08 AM »
ok, if someone were to remove the tach would it have a ink stamp that would pertain to the date ? or is there another way to date the tach?
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« Reply #37 on: May 09, 2015, 03:00:43 AM »
I saw that too Vince, which is why my post talking about the short spoiler, I was questioning myself whether I was reading the date on the tag correctly.

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« Reply #38 on: May 09, 2015, 08:48:21 AM »
Ok a little more of what I saw and heard while I was there looking in person. The dash metal is painted silver like the exterior (see pics) which means this car was pretty far apart for the color change. Now I believe the paint happened in the late 1980's or early 1990's. The current owner new of this car for quite a while before he purchased it. So he had researched what he could to verify the numbers on the engine and trans. back then before he purchased it once the previous owner put it up for sale. I believe he was concerned that since the car had been drag and street raced that some of the parts may be switched. He stated to me that he has the original DZ motor, carb and intake, but wasn't sure if the heads were original to the car. Aslo, the original M21 is already restored along with the linkage. Thats as far as I got with him. He didn't say anything about the dist or alt and pulleys etc. I know that stuff matters but considering the condition of the car itself, it still seems like $25K is a deal. Also, this owner had worked at our local Chevy dealer prior to owning this car so he new what he was looking for back then. I think the real reason this car has sat is because he mentioned going through a divorce "20" years ago and she tried to get the car. So I think it needed to stay out of site for a while. Fast forward 20 years and he's decided to "move on". P.S. I haven't heard if a deal has been made as of Friday 5-8-15
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« Reply #39 on: May 09, 2015, 09:24:30 AM »
ok, if someone were to remove the tach would it have a ink stamp that would pertain to the date ?
Interesting question. I have certainly seen some speedometers with a date code on them (here's one below), but IIRC my tach had an ink-stamped part number but no date code.

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« Reply #40 on: May 09, 2015, 02:13:02 PM »
So I'm guessing this was likely a tac delete and then added at a later date.  I like the original short spoiler as well as the solid looking body.
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« Reply #41 on: May 09, 2015, 02:24:49 PM »
Edit:  Looking at different car.

If it were a tach delete, yet has console gauges.  I see it has a clock which I thought came with console gauges.   And, if you got console gauges with the fuel gauge in the console, then there would be no need for a fuel gauge up in the tach pod.  If no tach then what would that be, a blank face??

Correct me if I'm wrong but console gauges triggered a center mount clock in the dash, or so I thought.   The fuel gauge moved to the console, which left the right side pod in the dash for the tach.  If the tach were omitted, what then?

I always thought they were either...
1) Just a speedo and fuel gauge in the dash, no gauges anywhere (center pod in dash is blank with "camaro" script).
2) Order a tach and fuel gauge moves to the center pod in the dash
3) Order console with gauges and fuel gauge moves to console, center pod in dash becomes clock.

What happens in the last scenario if a tach isn't specified?   I figured tach was mandatory when console gauges were ordered.

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« Reply #42 on: May 09, 2015, 04:12:12 PM »
U17 Special Instrumentation included a tachometer and clock along with the gauges on the console. It did not include the console which also had to be ordered. Some very early sales literature depicts U17 with out a clock.

Early in '69 U16 Tachometer became available when Chevy mandated either U16 or U17 with Z/28 equipment. A small fuel gauge was mounted in the center of the dash cluster.
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« Reply #43 on: May 09, 2015, 09:45:40 PM »
Thanks William, just trying to understand.  You just tought me something I wasn't aware of.  Now I'm not so sure about my own, lol.

Mind if I PM you about something so I don't clog up the thread here?

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« Reply #44 on: May 09, 2015, 11:23:41 PM »
Answer to the question above about tach dates - yes, they were dated. See the attached pics from the one I sold some time back -

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1969 Z11 L48/M35/C60/C06  1949 3100 5wd 235/6

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Re: 1969 Z28 Garage find after 20 years!
« Reply #45 on: May 10, 2015, 12:26:33 AM »
No problem, feel free to PM.
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Re: 1969 Z28 Garage find after 20 years!
« Reply #46 on: May 10, 2015, 09:06:41 AM »
Steve, thanks for posting those pictures, they triggered a vague memory of date codes being discussed. I'll have to search for that forgotten thread, but my recollection now is that the discussion was whether the code was a Julian date or a month/week/year.
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Re: 1969 Z28 Garage find after 20 years!
« Reply #47 on: May 10, 2015, 05:26:45 PM »
Tim,

I'm not certain - considering the 6-8 showed up in January, this one could have been either 1/8 or day 18. We need a couple of examples to compare it to.

I should have kept it, considering it was pretty close for my 01C X77, but it wasn't a tach/gage car to begin with. My L78 takes the first range, so it left for a better home -


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1969 Z11 L48/M35/C60/C06  1949 3100 5wd 235/6

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Re: 1969 Z28 Garage find after 20 years!
« Reply #48 on: May 11, 2015, 06:07:25 PM »
Any updates on this car, And if it has sold yet?
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Re: 1969 Z28 Garage find after 20 years!
« Reply #49 on: May 11, 2015, 06:30:39 PM »
We have member working hard on it. He may have to sell his 68 4sp convertible if the seller doesn't want to work a trade.
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Re: 1969 Z28 Garage find after 20 years!
« Reply #50 on: May 11, 2015, 08:30:13 PM »
We have a member working hard on it. He may have to sell his 68 4sp convertible if the seller doesn't want to work a trade. Here is his local listing for his car:

http://sandiego.craigslist.org/nsd/cto/5020111856.html

check it out fellas!
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-Looking for original Delco side post negative battery cable part # 6297651AV

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Re: 1969 Z28 Garage find after 20 years!
« Reply #51 on: May 11, 2015, 08:51:51 PM »
I wouldn't think he would have to much trouble getting that sold for that price. Cool drop top driver with a nice color combo!

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Re: 1969 Z28 Garage find after 20 years!
« Reply #52 on: May 18, 2015, 06:30:16 PM »
Okay, I see the rear armrests.  I thought only convertibles had these.  Why does this car have them?  Is is a possible fold down rear seat?  What is the story on what car gets them or not?

Thanks.

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Re: 1969 Z28 Garage find after 20 years!
« Reply #53 on: May 18, 2015, 07:08:02 PM »
I think from looking at other cars, if you opted for the fold down seat you got them.
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Re: 1969 Z28 Garage find after 20 years!
« Reply #54 on: May 18, 2015, 08:44:04 PM »
Hello everyone. I'm the one that originally found/posted this 69 z28 survivor. It is back on CL locally here in Northern Cal. so apparently it has not sold. After reading up on the te previous posts I can tell you that it does have a fold down seat. Also, he has now listed it as an "early" 69 with the "rare" narrow rear spoiler. So someone has been there with some knowledge of these cars. Don't know if that's adding to his idea of waiting for a big offer or what. Also, the ad now reads "this was a 2 4 car". I mentioned early on in my posts that it has the "cable" throttle linkage hanging on the firewall. I remember reading somewhere that cross rams used that linkage (as well as L6's). Is that correct?
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Re: 1969 Z28 Garage find after 20 years!
« Reply #55 on: May 18, 2015, 10:13:58 PM »
Well My friend is still trying to purchase it, the seller won't come up with a number though. He said high 20's
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-Looking for original Delco side post negative battery cable part # 6297651AV

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Re: 1969 Z28 Garage find after 20 years!
« Reply #56 on: May 18, 2015, 10:42:19 PM »
Hello everyone. I'm the one that originally found/posted this 69 z28 survivor. It is back on CL locally here in Northern Cal. so apparently it has not sold. After reading up on the te previous posts I can tell you that it does have a fold down seat. Also, he has now listed it as an "early" 69 with the "rare" narrow rear spoiler. So someone has been there with some knowledge of these cars. Don't know if that's adding to his idea of waiting for a big offer or what. Also, the ad now reads "this was a 2 4 car". I mentioned early on in my posts that it has the "cable" throttle linkage hanging on the firewall. I remember reading somewhere that cross rams used that linkage (as well as L6's). Is that correct?

Who has been there talking to this guy?   ???

The 68 spoiler that they used in early 69 is just what they used.  It is NOT considered rare, but normal for the production date if a spoiler was ordered.

As for the cross ram... Read this.
http://www.camaros.org/crossram.shtml

It should be understood then that no Z-28 was ever factory-built with a cross-ram intake manifold.
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Re: 1969 Z28 Garage find after 20 years!
« Reply #57 on: May 18, 2015, 11:12:11 PM »
Do you have a link for the new ad?
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-Looking for an original LOF soft ray windshield
-Looking for original Delco side post negative battery cable part # 6297651AV

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Re: 1969 Z28 Garage find after 20 years!
« Reply #58 on: May 18, 2015, 11:15:08 PM »
If the car has a throttle cable, and there is mention of possible race history (I thought I had read) then it's a possibility it had a crossram on it at one time.  That however has no reflection on price in my eyes and is just speculation unless he has some documentation (or unless he has the setup included with the car of course  ;))  Otherwise it's just another Z28 that now needs the correct steel throttle rod sourced.

  Kind of sounds like the guy is seeing dollar signs and people are feeding it to him.  I still feel high $20's is too rich for that car considering it's very likely there will be an extensive amount needed to be spent on the car that could easily reach or even go beyond that purchase price. Likely why it's still on the market speaks volumes.  Closer to 20 and I think it would have been gone by now.

It's a need find, but from a buyers perspective ya gotta keep it real and not let anxiety get the better of you.

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Re: 1969 Z28 Garage find after 20 years!
« Reply #59 on: May 18, 2015, 11:38:43 PM »
I should point out, I'm not knockin the car or the seller.  If he gets the numbers he seems to be tossing out, that's fantastic, and even better if your buddy gets the car Bullitt.  I guess that just means mine is worth a whole lot more than I ever thought it was  ;D

Okay I'll shutup now

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Re: 1969 Z28 Garage find after 20 years!
« Reply #60 on: May 19, 2015, 12:06:14 AM »
I am not knocking the car either.  Price seems a bit high, but just my opinion.
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Re: 1969 Z28 Garage find after 20 years!
« Reply #61 on: May 19, 2015, 05:28:12 AM »
You guys are all correct. This seller is shooting for the moon. I had to beg him to let me come look at the car the first morning cause he was getting ridiculously low offers at first and I felt like telling him, what did he expect not even hinting in the ad at what he was looking for. He's got the TV show mentality that someone has got to have it and will overpay for it. It's a good solid start of a real car to restore but it has to make sense. I have not spoken to him since the first morning it posted so not sure who is filling his head with all the "rare" option ideas. I thought the rear spoiler was wrong, myself. Maybe time will help bring him back to a reasonable deal and he'll cut the car loose.
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Re: 1969 Z28 Garage find after 20 years!
« Reply #62 on: May 19, 2015, 09:22:48 PM »
I hope someone can get the car for a reasonable price.
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Re: 1969 Z28 Garage find after 20 years!
« Reply #63 on: May 19, 2015, 09:58:19 PM »
Well I have an update, my friend has dropped out of trying to get this car. He got his 68 Camaro convertible sold, and was ready to make a deal with Leonard, but he says he was turned off by the guy and just doesn't see him selling it. I have a feeling it is going to take close to 30k and some serious haggling to get this guy to let loose of the car.
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-Looking for original Delco side post negative battery cable part # 6297651AV

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Re: 1969 Z28 Garage find after 20 years!
« Reply #64 on: May 19, 2015, 11:16:55 PM »
Sorry to hear that Austin. Hopefully down the road something else will come up. Now that he sold the 68 he has the money ready to go.
Rick
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