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Re: 67 Camaro Pilot Line Assembly Process and Procedures
« Reply #30 on: December 18, 2014, 08:11:17 PM »
 John,
   But did you solve the problem?
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Re: 67 Camaro Pilot Line Assembly Process and Procedures
« Reply #31 on: December 18, 2014, 10:42:52 PM »
Hate to say it, but from my experience solving the problem didn't matter much then and doesn't today either.  It's all about PROCESS and PROTOCOL at the General in many areas....

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Re: 67 Camaro Pilot Line Assembly Process and Procedures
« Reply #32 on: December 19, 2014, 04:26:51 AM »
and in the 'bigger companies', there's another P involved..  POWER.....   some folks like to show their power.....    ugh..  bah humbug.....  it's the biggest roadblock to people like JohnZ actually solving problems and improving efficiency..  Note that the line worker had no problem..  it was some little asshole 'manager' too big for his britches..  if you equate it to grade school and little league it's that one little asshole taking his ball home....
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Re: 67 Camaro Pilot Line Assembly Process and Procedures
« Reply #33 on: December 19, 2014, 01:38:43 PM »
Hate to say it, but from my experience solving the problem didn't matter much then and doesn't today either.  It's all about PROCESS and PROTOCOL at the General in many areas....
Try working for the Federal govt.... That's where the saying "Don't make it a federal process" comes from lol. Plenty of the "big fish in little pond syndrome." I can't tell you how many times I've gotten lit up for doing what John did. I still do it though... ;-)
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Re: 67 Camaro Pilot Line Assembly Process and Procedures
« Reply #34 on: December 19, 2014, 03:06:35 PM »
Hate to say it, but from my experience solving the problem didn't matter much then and doesn't today either.  It's all about PROCESS and PROTOCOL at the General in many areas....
Try working for the Federal govt.... That's where the saying "Don't make it a federal process" comes from lol. Plenty of the "big fish in little pond syndrome." I can't tell you how many times I've gotten lit up for doing what John did. I still do it though... ;-)

and I did it too, Sarge..  for over 40 years as an engineer ..  but it's not the best means to advance in today's sucking up corporate culture..   :)
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Re: 67 Camaro Pilot Line Assembly Process and Procedures
« Reply #35 on: December 19, 2014, 03:27:44 PM »

and I did it too, Sarge..  for over 40 years as an engineer ..  but it's not the best means to advance in today's sucking up corporate culture..   :)
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Re: 67 Camaro Pilot Line Assembly Process and Procedures
« Reply #36 on: December 19, 2014, 10:50:06 PM »
If there are other known pilot cars and they have VIN's, has anyone, other than the owner of N100001, requested the shipping reports from NCRS?

If some you CRG fellows are connected to the NCRS fellows, perhaps you could request the first 49 or so Camaro shipping reports by VIN pro bono. That might shed some light on the pilot car project.

Of course the guy who spent $250,000 to restore the first coupe and plans on spending $200,00 to restore the first convertible may have already beat you to the punch!

All of the pilot car Shipping Data Reports are now available at:

http://pilotcarregistry.com/car-list-navigation.html


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Re: 67 Camaro Pilot Line Assembly Process and Procedures
« Reply #37 on: December 20, 2014, 12:29:59 AM »
Notice how every single one of the NCRS official build dates for these cars is 8/10/66.  Wonder what's up with that, and the 05B, 09B cowl tag dates observed to date?  I'm also wondering how they are turning the Fisher DD body number into a corresponding VIN number, as there are only 4 of them known, and only 1 lines up DD number to VIN number so far, and that number N100001.
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Re: 67 Camaro Pilot Line Assembly Process and Procedures
« Reply #38 on: December 20, 2014, 12:34:21 AM »
The 3 LA cars have the build dates a year late... unless they were actually built in the summer of 1967.
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Re: 67 Camaro Pilot Line Assembly Process and Procedures
« Reply #39 on: December 20, 2014, 12:50:07 AM »
Makes it easier to build pilot line cars at the close of the first production year.  All the kinks are worked out by then.
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Re: 67 Camaro Pilot Line Assembly Process and Procedures
« Reply #40 on: December 20, 2014, 04:04:10 PM »
John,
   But did you solve the problem?
    Victor

Absolutely! See the end of the second paragraph in that post:

<<I described to him the line-stop problem that caused, and asked if he could wipe off his brush elsewhere. He understood, and said he could do that, no problem. I thanked him, and headed back toward the Chevrolet side, pleased that I had solved this apparently unsolvable problem with ten minutes' work.>>
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Re: 67 Camaro Pilot Line Assembly Process and Procedures
« Reply #41 on: December 20, 2014, 05:17:01 PM »
John Z as a young foreman working the line what was your first impression of this ( '67-'69 ) new pony car called Camaro? Did you owned one at the time or was it just another car? I know the bigger car were popular back then and did you know about the COPO 427 '69 camaro's then? I like the first person history.
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Re: 67 Camaro Pilot Line Assembly Process and Procedures
« Reply #42 on: December 21, 2014, 04:40:58 PM »
John Z as a young foreman working the line what was your first impression of this ( '67-'69 ) new pony car called Camaro? Did you owned one at the time or was it just another car? I know the bigger car were popular back then and did you know about the COPO 427 '69 camaro's then? I like the first person history.

Those of us at Willow Run were introduced to the new Camaro first-hand, as the first 1,100 Norwood Camaros were shipped to Willow Run to have the steering linkages changed; there had been a heat-treat process failure at Chevrolet-Buffalo (where the steering linkages were made), and it wasn't found and contained until 1,100 cars had been built.

We shut down production at Willow Run, cleaned out the Final Process Repair Department on a Friday, and converted the two light mechanical repair lines on Saturday to a disassembly line to remove the steering linkage, and an assembly line to install the new certified-OK linkages from Buffalo, re-roll-tested and re-set toe-in, re-shipped the Camaros to their original destinations, and resumed normal production on Monday. On Saturday we burned-up every pitman arm puller in the plant, bought every one we could find at every auto parts store in Ypsilanti, and got the President of Kent-Moore (GM's Service Tool supplier) out of bed Friday night to get every pitman arm puller they had in their warehouse to Willow Run.

That exercise gave us a first-hand look at the new Camaro; in those days they scheduled the plain-Jane low-option cars first and introduced complexity gradually as they ramped-up, so we saw mostly six-cylinder cars, bench seats, and manual transmissions (three on the tree).

At that time my personal cars were a '65 Tri-Power GTO and a '65 Corvette; I later sold the GTO and bought a new '67 Impala SS427 from the Engineering Fleet.
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Re: 67 Camaro Pilot Line Assembly Process and Procedures
« Reply #43 on: December 30, 2014, 05:45:03 AM »
This may be of some interest to some concerning Fisher 21. Maybe this has been posted previously.

http://substreet.org/1967-fisher-21-employee-handbook/

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Re: 67 Camaro Pilot Line Assembly Process and Procedures
« Reply #44 on: December 30, 2014, 03:48:33 PM »
that little handbook should help to answer some of the questions that have occurred here..      Nice to have such info..  :)
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