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A Very Rusty Proposition
« on: December 05, 2014, 01:45:40 AM »
Here`s what is left of a 69 Z10

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Re: A Very Rusty Proposition
« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2014, 02:40:54 AM »
A little CLR and it'll look good as new!   :D
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Re: A Very Rusty Proposition
« Reply #2 on: December 05, 2014, 02:52:12 AM »
Looks like it was a factory A/C car too!

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Re: A Very Rusty Proposition
« Reply #3 on: December 05, 2014, 03:03:08 AM »
Drag car, electric fuel pump and cool can.
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Re: A Very Rusty Proposition
« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2014, 03:27:07 AM »
I assume that is the one you posted about back in May?
That could be fixable, but yikes....

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Re: A Very Rusty Proposition
« Reply #5 on: December 05, 2014, 03:43:10 AM »
Kurt,

If you gave me the $$ to do it, I wouldn't touch that car...  :)
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Re: A Very Rusty Proposition
« Reply #6 on: December 05, 2014, 12:30:21 PM »
The problem this day and age is that whoever owns it wants probably $6,500 or more for their $1,500 car.   I can fix it, but I can not afford the stupid high asking prices anymore.   I had someone contact me about NOS 67 fenders yesterday.   I explained to him that they are not rare and that there is a lot of these parts out there.   I made him a decent offer and told him to think about it and look around at prices.   I get so frustrated anymore that my hobby has turned into big business and if you need a part you have to pay their stupid high prices.     Other problem now is all the car shows on tv make it seem acceptable to make seriously low offers so they can make big profits.    I treat people how I want to be treated.    It is sad for me to see my passion, my hobby ruined by speculators and greed,  

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Re: A Very Rusty Proposition
« Reply #7 on: December 05, 2014, 02:55:30 PM »
That Z/10 looks like it was taken down to metal and then parked outside?

The condition of this car kinda reminds me of another members car on here, that looked like a 20 footer maybe even a ten footer when he bought only to uncover a bunch of rust and shot patch panels underneath. The work looks about the same roughly.  If this car was media blasted or dipped, you would probably double the value right there. Then you could see what you have to work with. It doesn't look ir-repairable to me, but you would have to be passionate about it to get it done the right way. If you have a good title, and good VIN and trim tag along with a garage space to blow it all apart, that would be all the encouragement I would need.

This is assuming you got a good deal on the body, which may or may not be the deal killer here.
It would be cool to see it resurrected from the dead, Good luck with it

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Re: A Very Rusty Proposition
« Reply #8 on: December 05, 2014, 03:00:46 PM »
Kurt,

If you gave me the $$ to do it, I wouldn't touch that car...  :)

Gary when I grew up in the 90's this was the typical project car. In fact I purchased a 66 Chevelle SS that looked identical to this car except with a couple of gallons of orange house paint on it for $900. I slapped an extra 396 and muncie in it I had laying around and drove it for 4 years as a daily driver, and had guys making me offers back then if you can believe it. So I have seen worse. I really wanted that car back then, and I couldn't afford a 8k driver so a project car fit my budget. I think I had around $1500 into it, and had fun drag racing it against my friends 10k muscle cars.
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Re: A Very Rusty Proposition
« Reply #9 on: December 05, 2014, 04:22:20 PM »
Austin,

I can't believe you drove ANY car with rust holes in the body like this one.   If it was put into a 'derusting' tank, I doubt you'd pull out 300 lbs of good metal!~
The two views I've clipped out here are all I'd need to see to 'Keep on Walking'..  even if it were an original ZL1,  Yenko, X11, Z28, etc...

It would take a totally metal stripped car sitting outside probably 20 yrs here in my area to get THAT rusty... these views are of the top-front of the fender, and the deck lid (not the first areas to rust on these cars)...  I'd not be interested at any price..
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Re: A Very Rusty Proposition
« Reply #10 on: December 05, 2014, 04:55:13 PM »
Those are all bolt-ons. What matters is underneath.
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Re: A Very Rusty Proposition
« Reply #11 on: December 05, 2014, 05:01:29 PM »
Those are all bolt-ons. What matters is underneath.

That's what I'm talking about. If the shell isn't too bad, seems like it is worth the time.
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Re: A Very Rusty Proposition
« Reply #12 on: December 05, 2014, 05:25:24 PM »
A new jig assembled complete undercarriage can be purchased for $4500; just put the top half of a car including jambs and dash top on it. Cowl too if it's savable. If not, replace that too.

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Re: A Very Rusty Proposition
« Reply #13 on: December 05, 2014, 05:31:38 PM »
If done right what would price would this car bring if you had to sell it?
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Re: A Very Rusty Proposition
« Reply #14 on: December 05, 2014, 06:44:46 PM »
Hey guys this subject brings up something I've been thinking about for a while.... clean no rust project car -v - rusty cancerous cars. I don't want to step all over Hideawaze thread so  so I'll start another one on this topic. Scott (Sauron327) and Darrell ( Cook dw ) this ones right up your alley stay tuned.
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Re: A Very Rusty Proposition
« Reply #15 on: December 06, 2014, 03:18:59 AM »
All comments are apreciated

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Re: A Very Rusty Proposition
« Reply #16 on: December 06, 2014, 04:14:42 AM »
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Is this your car, or are you considering taking it on?
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Re: A Very Rusty Proposition
« Reply #17 on: December 06, 2014, 05:07:26 PM »
Rather than buy/restore such a rusty Camaro, one's time and $$ would be much better spent buying and restoring one of these 'exotics'... (less rust and worth more in the end).. Save your $$ between now and 6 Feb 2015 and head to France for the auction!  :)

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Re: A Very Rusty Proposition
« Reply #18 on: December 07, 2014, 02:00:50 AM »
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Is this your car, or are you considering taking it on?      It is among my untouched projects,  have most of the bolt on stuff, but the full quarters etc.  wont be cheap I know

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Re: A Very Rusty Proposition
« Reply #19 on: December 07, 2014, 02:07:40 AM »
Did you get the block or trans with it?
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« Reply #20 on: December 07, 2014, 11:53:18 PM »
Did you get the block or trans with it?
No eng. or trans.  I think the 12 bolt is correct and will post photos of codes and vin first chance I get. I do have the title and need to track down the guy that pulled a lot of parts to race it, long shot for sure,  as the seller I got it from was a serious Camaro-hound and knew a lot of these

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« Reply #21 on: December 08, 2014, 02:49:46 AM »
Well never say "never". Enough guys locate an original motor to give the rest of the hobby with orphan cars hope. Think positive, hell check out the orphan section on here somebody may have already located it..
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Re: A Very Rusty Proposition
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« Reply #24 on: December 23, 2014, 08:29:45 PM »
1969 Norwood #6346 ??   Pretty early number...
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« Reply #25 on: December 23, 2014, 08:41:58 PM »
Amazing that a 1 of 400-500 built car could end up like that. Glad to see you taking the challenge! I might have missed it, but do you know if it's an RS/SS 350 or 396?
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« Reply #26 on: December 23, 2014, 09:54:55 PM »
Amazing that a 1 of 400-500 built car could end up like that. Glad to see you taking the challenge! I might have missed it, but do you know if it's an RS/SS 350 or 396?
I was hoping the vin could divulge the engine can you tell on the motor mounts? they look different as the driver side seems taller

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« Reply #27 on: December 23, 2014, 10:08:51 PM »
Amazing that a 1 of 400-500 built car could end up like that. Glad to see you taking the challenge! I might have missed it, but do you know if it's an RS/SS 350 or 396?
I was hoping the vin could divulge the engine can you tell on the motor mounts? they look different as the driver side seems taller
Unless you can find some paperwork somewhere, the VIN isn't going to tell you much. The taller motor mount is definitely a good sign that it's a big block. You'll have to dig deeper though because that's a part that can easily have been unbolted and replaced. There are a lot of excellent resources out there that are going to be more than happy to help you research what might have come in it. Check out the orphan section to see if by chance the motor and tranny are out there. It's a start anyhow.
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« Reply #28 on: December 23, 2014, 11:27:21 PM »
Amazing that a 1 of 400-500 built car could end up like that. Glad to see you taking the challenge! I might have missed it, but do you know if it's an RS/SS 350 or 396?
I was hoping the vin could divulge the engine can you tell on the motor mounts? they look different as the driver side seems taller
Unless you can find some paperwork somewhere, the VIN isn't going to tell you much. The taller motor mount is definitely a good sign that it's a big block. You'll have to dig deeper though because that's a part that can easily have been unbolted and replaced. There are a lot of excellent resources out there that are going to be more than happy to help you research what might have come in it. Check out the orphan section to see if by chance the motor and tranny are out there. It's a start anyhow.
Also going to try to find last owner on title, he is the one that stripped it, even plan on going to last address out in rural area may still be pile of parts... BTW read another post that you did a solid favor for another Camaro guy      salute

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« Reply #29 on: December 24, 2014, 03:10:13 AM »
Hawk is a good friend, I know it helped out bentley big time. CRG pulls together when it counts
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« Reply #30 on: December 24, 2014, 04:16:41 AM »
Amazing that a 1 of 400-500 built car could end up like that. Glad to see you taking the challenge! I might have missed it, but do you know if it's an RS/SS 350 or 396?
I was hoping the vin could divulge the engine can you tell on the motor mounts? they look different as the driver side seems taller
Unless you can find some paperwork somewhere, the VIN isn't going to tell you much. The taller motor mount is definitely a good sign that it's a big block. You'll have to dig deeper though because that's a part that can easily have been unbolted and replaced. There are a lot of excellent resources out there that are going to be more than happy to help you research what might have come in it. Check out the orphan section to see if by chance the motor and tranny are out there. It's a start anyhow.
Also going to try to find last owner on title, he is the one that stripped it, even plan on going to last address out in rural area may still be pile of parts... BTW read another post that you did a solid favor for another Camaro guy      salute
Thanks and here's to hoping you find that pile of parts and then some! I'm looking forward to seeing you restore this one. Please keep us updated.

Hawk is a good friend, I know it helped out bentley big time. CRG pulls together when it counts
He's a heck of a good guy and deserved the help. Glad I could be there for him.
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« Reply #31 on: December 26, 2014, 07:50:16 AM »
Here's the other subframe pic. Looks like the left frame mount is taller.
Not much proof, but that points to a BB.
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« Reply #32 on: December 26, 2014, 01:47:28 PM »
It also looks like the left frame mount has been removed or replaced at one time. The bolts have been changed. Are you able to read the p/n on the mounts?

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« Reply #33 on: January 02, 2015, 01:00:08 AM »
Jesus christ. some of you guys have the best freakin vision I have ever heard of. I could barely see the vin, how did you notice the bolts on the mount was different(I see it now that you pointed it out). And Really how the hell did you see the electric fuel pump. damn you guys are good. I read a lot of stuff and "think" I know something about Camaros, but I would NOT enter a game of who knows more.
Just another reason I read forums.

P.S. OP good luck on that project, hope it turns out great

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Re: A Very Rusty Proposition
« Reply #34 on: January 02, 2015, 04:30:36 AM »
You know, it seems like everyone turns out quality work on here. I have never seen anything that a member did on here that wasn't top notch.

Just this past year you had guys buying real survivor cars and getting them road ready, and preserving the original paint, you BillOhio and Bentley getting quality work done on theirs. It seems like everyone on here has a good eye and wants to make sure everyone gets the most bang for their buck.
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