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« on: November 20, 2014, 06:52:07 AM »
This is a discussion that started in another thread and I split it off into its own topic.
I originally wrote:
All V8's were 3/8 in 67-68. I thought this was on the site, but I don't see it. If I can get comparable pics of the SB vs BB line routing from original cars, I'll add it.
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« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2014, 12:32:05 PM »
All V8's were 3/8 in 67-68. I thought this was on the site, but I don't see it. If I can get comparable pics of the SB vs BB line routing from original cars, I'll add it.

Kurt, to my knowledge that is only true for 68.  67 did have small blocks with 5/16".  Ill get you pictures before the weekend unless someone else can get them sooner.

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« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2014, 02:59:12 PM »
All V8's were 3/8 in 67-68. I thought this was on the site, but I don't see it. If I can get comparable pics of the SB vs BB line routing from original cars, I'll add it.

Kurt, to my knowledge that is only true for 68.  67 did have small blocks with 5/16".  Ill get you pictures before the weekend unless someone else can get them sooner.

When I needed to replace the hard line to the carb on my '67 327/275 it was a 5/16" at the fuel pump.  Wasn't fuel pump AC 40503 correct for that engine (January pad stamp date) with a 5/16" line? I have no idea about the tank to pump line as I haven't replaced it yet.
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« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2014, 03:43:37 PM »
The rear hose from the tank to the main line would be the same 5/16".  In 67 the only engines that got 3/8" were L35 & 78 & Z.  I am not 100% sure on the L48.

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« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2014, 10:58:52 PM »
Kurt, I sent you an email.

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« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2014, 11:24:15 PM »
'69 L78 gas line, unmolested, clip missing (you can see the outline where it mounted to the gas line).

Line is intact, doesn't appear to have been bent or mangled other than missing the last two clips.

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« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2014, 02:07:43 AM »
'69 L78 gas line, unmolested, clip missing (you can see the outline where it mounted to the gas line).

Line is intact, doesn't appear to have been bent or mangled other than missing the last two clips.

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May have had headers too. I see a familiar mod to cutting away a part of the upper control arm edge at the rear bushing.
Only motor to get headers that close would be a big block.

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« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2014, 02:18:38 AM »
Hey guys I thought this thread was about a 1968 396 car ?
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« Reply #8 on: November 21, 2014, 02:19:57 AM »


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May have had headers too. I see a familiar mod to cutting away a part of the upper control arm edge at the rear bushing.
Only motor to get headers that close would be a big block.

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« Reply #9 on: November 21, 2014, 03:09:21 AM »
 If 68 is the same as 67 here are some pics of my original 67 04B LOS L35 fuel line paths in the engine compartment (excuse the rust on the frame clip from the exhaust manifold and the primer dust from another car restoration).
It still has the AC fuel pump and also the square edge clamps. I believe the fuel line to be original as it was on the car when I bought it in 1980.

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« Reply #10 on: November 21, 2014, 04:18:55 AM »
My 68 L35 clip just like mike s fuel line as far as back fuel line clip. Our 68 small block car has bolt with clamp. Also noticed bb car curves down to motor mount with clip like Steve's bb car great pictures guy's!  Would take picture on L35 but ac box in way to get good picture.

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« Reply #11 on: November 21, 2014, 06:48:57 AM »
See what happens when I talk about non-69's. :)

All: thanks for the pics. I thought the termination of the L48 fuel line was different than the big block.

So there's several clips that vary, as Darrell's pics show

I really like the angle of z28z11's pic and also Mike's middle pic. They both show the cradle clip and the end of the hard line. Mike's pic should be able to be duplicated on complete cars. z28z11's pic is really only for those without engines.
Can we get more shots from other years/ models, including L6 cars?
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« Reply #12 on: November 21, 2014, 01:22:37 PM »
See what happens when I talk about non-69's. :)


You mean they actually made Camaros before 69!!???!!   ::)   ;D




Ill get a few more pics tonight.  Can also get 68 Firebird pic as well just to see if something is different.  Here is the 68 LOS Z


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« Reply #13 on: November 21, 2014, 02:39:38 PM »
I no longer have the orig gas line on my car but I know for sure the orig line I removed back in 1988 from my 68 396 car was a single line 3/8"

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« Reply #14 on: November 21, 2014, 02:53:36 PM »
All 68 V8 cars were 3/8"

Return lines did not start until 69.


Also the small block picture I show above is a 67.  This is the reason for the clip and not clamp & bolt on the rear of the line like the 68.

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« Reply #15 on: November 21, 2014, 02:57:20 PM »
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You mean they actually made Camaros before 69!!???!!   ::)   ;D
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GM was 'practicing' ..  to make sure they got it right by 1969....  :)
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« Reply #16 on: November 21, 2014, 03:21:36 PM »
My 67 L-48 is 3/8.
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« Reply #17 on: November 21, 2014, 03:49:05 PM »
GM was 'practicing' ..  to make sure they got it right by 1969....  :)

Must have been the psychedelic enhancers they were ingesting for them to think that. 


My 67 L-48 is 3/8.

Good to know.  Thank you.

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« Reply #18 on: November 21, 2014, 04:26:18 PM »
My lines are original and complete with the clips, but they're out of the car. Would pics of those help?
At the tank for starters:


Bad picture, but before they were removed:
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« Reply #19 on: November 21, 2014, 09:38:29 PM »
Kurt or anyone who has seen original rubber fuel lines,

  Does the SAE marked fuel line look original? Is that what was stamped on the lines back then?
I have seen those rubber stamps that has the word gas and some triangles on them as supposedly correct for these hoses.

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« Reply #20 on: November 22, 2014, 12:05:55 AM »
Kurt, if you want other years here's a 69" LOS 9 D  L-78  3/8 original line.
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« Reply #21 on: November 22, 2014, 12:28:58 AM »
Here are two photos of the fuel line in my 01C 68 LOS BB (probably L35 car). I believe the lines and clips are original. Bolts have RBW head markings.

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« Reply #22 on: November 22, 2014, 02:51:46 AM »
Interesting that it has the fuel line bolted on your car Martin.  My fathers L78 has the clip like Mike S pictured.


Fuel line was moved due to header install in the '68.




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« Reply #23 on: November 22, 2014, 04:01:43 AM »
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« Reply #24 on: November 22, 2014, 06:07:05 PM »
One more of the side rail of 69" LOS O9 D 68 L-78  fuel line.
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« Reply #25 on: November 23, 2014, 12:46:48 AM »
This was taken when I first pulled my subframe out. It's the best one I could find while they were still attached to the car.

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« Reply #26 on: December 07, 2014, 06:20:44 PM »
Thanks to everyone that has supplied pics thus far.  We still need more pics and info on this subject.  Anyone else have original fuel lines on their cars?  You can email me the pics at

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« Reply #27 on: December 07, 2014, 07:13:57 PM »
Are you including '69 in this survey??  or not?  there is a contradiction between the verbiage and the subject line....
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« Reply #28 on: December 07, 2014, 07:21:24 PM »
Changed my post.  Thanks.  I have been updating spreadsheets all morning and had 67&8 on the brain.  Besides the fact they are the better years.   8)

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« Reply #29 on: December 07, 2014, 09:31:59 PM »
When Sherman G. Had the Bat Car he and I were always comparing things on our 67 L78,s. Both had 3/8 line but the routing once it was in the engine compartment was different. The last clip before the fuel pump was different. My clip is on one of the engine stool bolts. Sherman's was like the last pic that Darrell posted which I assume is his 68 car. The Bat Car is a 3rd. wk. May car and mine is 1st. wk. June.

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« Reply #30 on: December 07, 2014, 10:50:08 PM »
67L78 thanks for the reply.

I want to make sure I get my info correct so bare with me.

Bat car and your car was essentially the same except for the fact the frame mount bolts were positioned to where your car was going from the ground side towards the engine but the bat car was going from the engine side towards the ground?

Thanks, Darrell

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« Reply #31 on: February 20, 2015, 08:29:51 PM »
Wanting to get more information on the 69 year to help when I am looking for parts. I always understood that ALL 69 V8's had 3/8 line from the tank to pump. I am wanting to clarify this. Would this have been the same part # regardless of engine? I ask as I have seen some fuel lines advertised (OEM used) as coming off a COPO. If this is the same line as , say, a 307, as I believe, I am not going to payi for the COPO lineage ;) makes sense? I mean, you say COPO and the price goes up 100X's, absurd. I also am curious if the Q-jet main line, too, is the same as the single line (as far as bends & overall shape) seems as it would be. As a side, the repros all show the same part # for all the V8 different applications, but who can believe what is printed in those catalogs? Thanks, CRG. Does not make sense that a different part number would be used for a 307,302,396..., but engine mounts are different, so who knows?
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« Reply #32 on: February 21, 2015, 07:23:10 PM »
This is a 67 11D car.  327 2bl.  5/16 fuel line

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« Reply #33 on: February 21, 2015, 08:38:47 PM »
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You mean they actually made Camaros before 69!!???!!   ::)   ;D
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GM was 'practicing' ..  to make sure they got it right by 1969....  :)

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You mean they actually made Camaros before 69!!???!!   ::)   ;D
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GM was 'practicing' ..  to make sure they got it right by 1969....  :)

That's why there so many '69's - it took them that much longer to get it somewhat right..

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« Reply #34 on: February 23, 2015, 03:21:45 AM »
Wanting to get more information on the 69 year to help when I am looking for parts. I always understood that ALL 69 V8's had 3/8 line from the tank to pump. I am wanting to clarify this. Would this have been the same part # regardless of engine? I ask as I have seen some fuel lines advertised (OEM used) as coming off a COPO. If this is the same line as , say, a 307, as I believe, I am not going to payi for the COPO lineage ;) makes sense? I mean, you say COPO and the price goes up 100X's, absurd. I also am curious if the Q-jet main line, too, is the same as the single line (as far as bends & overall shape) seems as it would be. As a side, the repros all show the same part # for all the V8 different applications, but who can believe what is printed in those catalogs? Thanks, CRG. Does not make sense that a different part number would be used for a 307,302,396..., but engine mounts are different, so who knows?
Did you look in the parts catalogs?
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« Reply #35 on: February 23, 2015, 03:31:50 AM »
Interesting to see DS1 (replies # 23 & #32) picture of a 67 11D NOR that shows the square upper control arm shim bar that doesn't look like the traditional dog bone.
My 05B has that same shape bar too though the 04B LOS has the dog bone shape. I know there was some speculation as to if that was a replacement but it's looking more like two shape bars were used.

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« Reply #36 on: February 23, 2015, 05:29:52 AM »
Interesting to see DS1 (replies # 23 & #32) picture of a 67 11D NOR that shows the square upper control arm shim bar that doesn't look like the traditional dog bone.
My 05B has that same shape bar too though the 04B LOS has the dog bone shape. I know there was some speculation as to if that was a replacement but it's looking more like two shape bars were used.
Mike

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« Reply #37 on: February 23, 2015, 02:00:02 PM »
Just a little off topic, that car had the early design trunk, and the PBT stamps put on the firewall were under the heater cover on the firewall.   Not up high on the firewall where they could be seen

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« Reply #38 on: February 23, 2015, 09:00:02 PM »
from an 1967 03C, 327/210hp PG car , 5/16ths line on frame and also on tank.




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« Reply #39 on: March 27, 2015, 12:43:08 AM »
Kurt - 69 L78 fuel line routing / engine compartment pitcure.  Do you know of varying styles of fuel line clips between different 69 L78's from Los Angeles?  I've seen clips with two fingers that wrap around the fuel line that are different from those found on my car.  Mine is not a validated L78 and the clips are solid around the line with a 'V' toward the bottom of the clip where it curves back toward the sub frame.  Attached is a picture of a clip that looks like the ones connecting my fuel line to the sub frame.

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« Reply #40 on: March 28, 2015, 04:34:46 PM »
Great angle that clearly shows the routing.
Those are the clips that I'm familiar with for 69 and but look different than Vince's.
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« Reply #41 on: March 28, 2015, 08:53:11 PM »
On my car there are four clips that fasten the fuel line to the front sub frame, all are the same style clips.  There are two that fasten the fuel line to the under body about 2/3rds of the way back, one right behind the spiral wire covered 'S' curve is the two finger design clip like the ones you see on Vince's car on his front sub frame.  The second under body clip / fastener is the dual hump line retainer and the last two clips on the unibody sub frame rail are the same as the four on the front.  Interesting note, the diagrams in the AIM UPC 8 pages B2 & B3 show the front and rear subframe clips as being the two finger design and the one described above as the two finger clip is shown as solid.  Any input on differing style clips found on Los Angeles cars?

 

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