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« on: October 20, 2006, 06:33:04 PM »

Specifically, I am looking for the best company to buy interior parts.  Any ideas?
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« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2006, 05:28:47 PM »

Actually, they're all pretty much the same since they all purchase from the same manufacturers. Do a search on this site and on the TEAM CAMARO site for opinions on quality. Usually, I go with whoever's closer and has the best pricing.

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« Reply #2 on: October 24, 2006, 12:03:51 AM »

I vote Year One or Classic Muscle. Rick's 1st-Gen gives poor customer service from my experience and they'll eat you alive with shipping and handling charges. Year One is more expensive but they are great people to work with. Classic Muscle in Winston-Salem, NC sells pretty much the same parts as the rest of them at 5 percent less but they're not as knowledgeable as the folks at Year One. For what it's worth, do your research and know what you want and from what vendor, and buy from Classic Muscle if price is your bottom line. They beat anyone I know of. My 2 cents. 
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« Reply #3 on: October 24, 2006, 05:05:59 PM »

And if you luck up and get Bill at Classic Muscle, he knows his stuff. (Of course, he's a Chevelle man...)

Here's their site: http://www.oldmusclecars.com/

(And no, we NC tarheels doen't get a kickback, but it is nice to have them around.)
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« Reply #4 on: October 24, 2006, 10:42:56 PM »

Hey Lake....Phil at Classic Muscle has a Butternut Yellow '68 Convertible! Heckuva nice guy, too.
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« Reply #5 on: October 25, 2006, 01:29:25 AM »

I've been using Rick's for a long time, and never had any problems at all.
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« Reply #6 on: October 25, 2006, 02:20:20 PM »

I'm a loyal Rick's customer. I like that they only do first generation, less confusing trying to find something. Also, great pictures online and in the catalog -- worst case, you find out what that mysterious part is for and what it's called.
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« Reply #7 on: October 25, 2006, 05:11:23 PM »

I really like D&R Classic Automotive in Illinois.
They are Camaro Only, and they really know their stuff.

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« Reply #8 on: December 23, 2006, 10:28:12 AM »

I have purchased parts from D&R, Classic Industries, Rick's 1st Gen, The Paddock's, Year One, from Jim Subbings at Heartbeat City, plus a number of parts and services found in Hemmings Motor New publication.  I prefer the more consistent quality on repro parts from Risk's 1st Gen, and have not had any problems with their service.  I have experienced different levels of knowledge from the service techs at Rick's. 

Risk's sells interior door panels made by Al Knoch Interiors who is well known for top quality reproductions for Corvettes.  My 69 deluxe interior panels are from Rick's 1st Gen are very nice pieced made by Al Knoch.  World Wide Camaro Club members get free shipping from Risk's which helps off-set some costs.  I have bargained and received lower prices from vendors by comparison shopping.

Good luck with your project. 
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« Reply #9 on: December 23, 2006, 05:13:57 PM »

We've been using Ricks for years.  Never a problem, and if there is one, they will do what ever it takes to make you happy.  Unfortunately, it seems like the quality is going down hill with the 69 Camaro standard interior covers. 

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« Reply #10 on: December 23, 2006, 06:43:03 PM »

Does anyone make a standard door panel that is correct yet for 67-8 or 9?
One that actually has the ridges cut into the panel instead of using foam or batting and then affixing the vinyl to the panel?
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« Reply #11 on: December 24, 2006, 04:18:48 PM »

Unfortunately, all of the standard interior reproduction door panels are too "puffy" and don't look right.  NG!  Originals were much flatter in appearance.  Many of the Camaro owners who bring a car to the Camaro Nationals for the "Legend" concours class try to find good condition original interior parts.  This will improve your score over any reproduction interior. 

The deluxe interior door panels are good and made by Al Knock. 

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« Reply #12 on: December 25, 2006, 10:31:40 AM »

I'm a big fan of both Rick's First Generation and D&R.
I got a really great surprise from my wife for Christmas. I have been planning on replacing the underdash harness on my 67 Camaro SS with console and gauges. She got the harness for me from Rick's. To say the least, I can't wait for winter to over here in Wisconsin!

Merry Christmas one and all!!!!!!!!

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« Reply #13 on: December 25, 2006, 04:00:10 PM »

JohnZ,

After I read this question I wondered if it would be a good idea to develop a dedicated, quick link list of suppliers under Restoration.  This could be a location where people could record and/or review a list of all the various resto services, vendors, and suppliers they have used with brief description on each, reference to websites, phone numbers, etc.

People could rate the suppliers on a 1 – 5 scale to provide readers with a “grass roots” consumer reports feedback.  We just read various options and experiences from CRG members.  I have found parts from unusual places that might help others with their projects.  I have read numerous threads from several members who appear have many years restoring 1st Gen Camaros who may provide very helpful references.

This may be a lot of work to develop but the thought just crossed my mine.  This would have been very valuable to me years ago before I restored my Camaro.

Your thoughts?
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« Reply #14 on: December 26, 2006, 10:00:19 AM »

I wish a Camaro parts supplier would do a rating system so we as consumers could make educated decisions on whether or not we wanted to buy something that was not exactly correct... Ames does it for GTO's and Firebirds and they have a VERY LOYAL following as far as parts buyers... they tell you upfront in the catalog... it is not correct but best available or perfect reproduction in every aspect... or somewhere in between... they are honest and if anything they probably under represent what they have, but I will bet their return rate is NIL...
better to have someone pleasantly surprised with what they get than to have them PO'd.
Underpromise and Overdeliver...
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« Reply #15 on: December 26, 2006, 10:38:55 AM »

It's been my experience after many years in the Corvette restoration world that the best source of information and advice for which supplier may or may not have the best NOS/used/rebuilt/restored/reproduction parts is other enthusiasts, especially with the instant communication provided by internet discussion boards like this one, the Team Camaro forum at www.camaros.net, etc. Many suppliers carry the same parts, some are better than others in terms of NOS parts, accuracy of reproduction parts, condition of used parts, accuracy of description of parts, etc. People have different experiences with different suppliers, some suppliers have good days and bad days, and no one single transaction conveys a consistent overall evaluation of a given supplier.

I've kept my own notes over the years on suppliers, and update them regularly based on what I hear from others, factoring in the individual circumstances of each good/bad experience and the skill level and expectations of others; someone new to the hobby with limited skills and tools might consider a given used part a POS, while another more experienced restorer might consider the same part an excellent candidate for restoration. There can be a significant difference in perception between those who consider "restoration" as buying a part and installing it out of a box and those who will actually "restore" a part before installing it.

That's the primary reason that neither the NCRS nor Bloomington Gold, in the Corvette world, endorse, certify, or recommend any supplier or parts manufacturer, or maintain any "list" of "approved" parts or suppliers. All that matters is what the part appears to be on the judging field after restoration, and to what degree it appears to meet or deviate from the published judging standard - there are lots of different ways to meet that standard, depending on the skills and resources of the restorer.

"Restored" means different things to different people, and that definition is completely different for "show-n-shine" judging vs. originality judging; the goals are different, and so are the paths to follow to get there.  Smiley
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« Reply #16 on: December 26, 2006, 04:29:08 PM »

"Restored" means different things to different people, and that definition is completely different for "show-n-shine" judging vs. originality judging; the goals are different, and so are the paths to follow to get there.  Smiley

Once again, John brings us to an "ultimate point"...

Dave has a good point that seems to be "truer" with each passing year --as it gets harder and harder to find original parts.  it would be great to know where to go to find the best reproduction part.  But that's not how restoration started.  It started by finding (hunting, scavenging, and begging --not ordering and installing) an orginal part and restoring it. I'm not sure who will decide, but someday reproduction may be the only option beyond a handful of truly original cars...

In the meantime, there are different judging standards (I love the "show-n-shine" comment, John!).  Again, it would be great if someone would set a concise and clear standard for Camaros --especially in terms of originality, but who would follow it and who would not?

I was looking at an "original"  WWI era Chevy the other day that has won a whole room full of trophies.  The owner winked at me and said, "It's the wong exterior color... Just like the Ford, it only came in black!"  Everything else is original (and thus, he wins originality awards), but it's his car and he painted it the way he wanted it...
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« Reply #17 on: December 26, 2006, 10:37:58 PM »

All very good input.  In the mean time, if I need to find a good "NOS" or restoration service....I'll stay posted on CRG!
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« Reply #18 on: December 27, 2006, 11:30:51 PM »

Very well said, JohnZ.

As one who runs a restoration shop, I deal with new/used/repo parts regularly.  There are a lot of good repo parts out there, but there are also many that leave a lot to be desired, while some is flat junk.  And of course, a lot depends on how "factory" you want the car to be.  Some (few) of the better repo parts are much nicer than what came out of the factory, i.e the "show quality" emblems and trim from trim parts.  Many times there are two options for a particular part, one your basic repo, the other being a higher quality part.  I always opt for the better quality.

That being said, I try to use as much as the original GM parts as I can.  We all have our peeves on things that have to be absolutely correct, and nothing else will do.  For the "bolted on" sheetmetal, I will always go with a good used original rather than a repop.  Isnt as easy with the welded on parts like quarters and trunk pans.

The repo seat covers do look "cheap".  The Z we're finishing right now, we paid quite a price for a set of NOS covers.  But it does make a difference.

firstgen:  You are correct about Ames.  The parts in their catalog will have a disclaimer if its a good part or not.  Similar to Rick's, I stay loyal to Ames until I am given a reason to not do business with them.
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