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« on: June 21, 2014, 02:06:01 AM »

Now this car looks a lot closer to the 99K asking price than the red one IMO.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Chevrolet-Camaro-Z-28-1969-chevrolet-camero-z-28-dusk-blue-numbers-matching-/161342111800?forcerrptr=true&hash=item2590bd4038&item=161342111800&pt=US_Cars_Trucks

Only thing that looked odd to me was the angle and how low the tail pipes sit.

I also don't see the metal line for vacuum from the distributor.

Anyone notice anything else?

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« Reply #1 on: June 21, 2014, 04:57:00 AM »

I'd guess it was first bow-tie judged and then legend judged the three times (2003, 2004, & 2009). Seems someone is using one of the present price guides which shows #1 condition 69Z at 99K. A nice color for sure.
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« Reply #2 on: June 21, 2014, 05:40:39 AM »

One of my favorite colors, truly a stunning car.
Agree the tailpipes are at a wild angle though, and are those twin lines on the axle center consistent with original factory inspection marks?
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« Reply #3 on: June 21, 2014, 08:00:49 AM »

tires, did they change in 69 from the wide ovals used in 67 and 68 ?
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« Reply #4 on: June 21, 2014, 08:54:16 AM »

The tailpipes are not adjusted properly. The factory spec was 0.64" from the top of the pipe to the base of the rear body panel. The system used in production had the RH tail pipe welded to the muffler. It was not welded on service replacement systems. Also, should have resonators and too early for chromed tailpipes.

Production E70 x 15 tires for Z/28 and COPO 9737 were Goodyear Wide Tread GT or Firestone Sport Car 200.
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« Reply #5 on: June 21, 2014, 09:24:41 AM »

was welded in 68 also, why was that ?  Noticed it when I pulled my exhaust out of storage for pics. ( sloppy weld job BTY)


Beautiful car

Don't know why I was thinking wide ovals ,no coffee in me at the time.
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« Reply #6 on: June 21, 2014, 10:34:05 AM »

They had 2 options for tires on the Z in 69 , either Firestone sports car 200 15" tires, or the Goodyear wide tread GT 15".
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« Reply #7 on: June 21, 2014, 11:42:50 AM »

was welded in 68 also, why was that ?  Noticed it when I pulled my exhaust out of storage for pics. ( sloppy weld job BTY)


Beautiful car

Don't know why I was thinking wide ovals ,no coffee in me at the time.

Welded because in production it establishes positioning and it's one less part that needs to be fastened. Might not sound like much but at 57 units per hour it adds up.

On the N10 standard system the head pipes were also welded to the resonators but I believe that was an MVSS requirement. Something else that recently came to light is the original production configuration of the "bright metal" tailpipes. The LH tailpipe was the standard 1-pc pipe; the end of it polished raw steel/flash chromed. The RH pipe was 2 pc welded construction with the tip nickel/chrome. Several original systems still exist in this form.

Remember all this if you see a complete NOS exhaust system for big $. Might be NOS but service replacement components were not identical to parts used in production.
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« Reply #8 on: June 21, 2014, 12:01:12 PM »

was welded in 68 also, why was that ?  Noticed it when I pulled my exhaust out of storage for pics. ( sloppy weld job BTY)


Beautiful car

Don't know why I was thinking wide ovals ,no coffee in me at the time.

Welded because in production it establishes positioning and it's one less part that needs to be fastened. Might not sound like much but at 57 units per hour it adds up.

On the N10 standard system the head pipes were also welded to the resonators but I believe that was an MVSS requirement. Something else that recently came to light is the original production configuration of the "bright metal" tailpipes. The LH tailpipe was the standard 1-pc pipe; the end of it polished raw steel/flash chromed. The RH pipe was 2 pc welded construction with the tip nickel/chrome. Several original systems still exist in this form.

Remember all this if you see a complete NOS exhaust system for big $. Might be NOS but service replacement components were not identical to parts used in production.



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« Reply #9 on: June 21, 2014, 02:40:09 PM »

Ebay ad mentions a 51 page appraisal upon request. I didnt ask for it but was able to turn it up with a google search. Interesting reading lots of pics
http://dealeraccelerate-all.s3.amazonaws.com/crmc/appraisals/12/1969-Chevrolet-Camaro-Z28-124379N638663.pdf
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« Reply #10 on: June 21, 2014, 06:10:20 PM »

Good find Jack. It would have been nice to see page 2 of Jerry's report, to see what he found not correct with the car.

I may have found something it looks like the heat shields on the drivers side do not have the tiny screws on them, but maybe they don't re pop those yet.
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« Reply #11 on: June 22, 2014, 11:44:29 AM »

Very nice car. It is less than 800 cars before mine was built. All the date codes line up with mine. My transmission was built the same day as this one. Overall, a really nice car. It doesn't show any block, trans or rear end stampings, but I am sure it is in Jerry's report. I really like it.
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« Reply #12 on: June 22, 2014, 11:56:56 AM »

Just read the report, and they do show the stampings, which look good to me(no expert of course) but I would invite the experts to examine the trim tag rivets. Maybe it's just the picture but they don't look right.
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70 Z28 forrest green, green int, M40, bk vinyl roof PROJECT
99 SS hugger orange 6spd NO TTOPS bought new 1 of 54
11 cts-v blk diamond  edition wagon 556hp sick!
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« Reply #13 on: June 22, 2014, 02:05:44 PM »

I have a question about the stampings. The partial vin on the transmission and engine do not match. (for instance the font on the 6s is clearly different ). I just recently learned that there are in fact documented cases of this happening but I thought I read they were all really late in the year. This car has a 5A build date. Anyone able to shed some light on this? Did it in fact happen throughout the model year?
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« Reply #14 on: June 22, 2014, 03:38:52 PM »

While I am not in the know, and see what you are saying, I would think Jerry would have seen enough engine and transmission stamps to know when they should match. Another curious thing for me is why would you have him cert it 3 times??? Just in case someone switched something out at one point?
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Looking for 3192477 (front) spiral shocks 3192851 (rear) please
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« Reply #15 on: June 22, 2014, 05:08:31 PM »

Just crawled under my car, and the trans stamp matches the stamp on this car. The 6 in my partial is the same as the three 6's in this cars partial. The original block from my car is at my engine builder( another long story) so I can't compare the partial by my oil filter. The partial on my trans is in the same spot on the trans as this car and was assembled the same day. I wish mine was an m-22 like this one! I would have to say the trans stamp is legit.
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« Reply #16 on: June 22, 2014, 05:31:11 PM »

I like the fact that it is a M22 car, but kinda takes away from it that it has power steering Huh I am not sure why someone would order the heavy duty close ratio trans with Power steering back then. Then again I am not a big power steering guy. A couple of my big block cars came with it, so I just left it on.

How about a new post about your motor??
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« Reply #17 on: June 22, 2014, 05:48:00 PM »

My car has power steering as well. I took it out when I bought the car in 1978. I was 22 at the time. Sometime after I turned 50, I was cleaning out my mothers house and found a very heavy box upstairs in the garage. In the box was my complete power steering setup. Once you turn 50, power steering looks a lot better! I will put together the story of my original block and start a new thread. It's a long read!
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67 rs/ss 350 butternut yellow 4 speed 2nd owner
70 Z28 forrest green, green int, M40, bk vinyl roof PROJECT
99 SS hugger orange 6spd NO TTOPS bought new 1 of 54
11 cts-v blk diamond  edition wagon 556hp sick!
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