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« on: May 01, 2014, 09:08:25 PM »

WOW this is a heck of a car. Just one repaint and original owner. MANY options.. Surprisingly enough, no RS package ordered... Danny

             http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=SC0514-184213&utm_source=emv&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=SC0514-F229

   
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« Reply #1 on: May 01, 2014, 09:29:03 PM »

Not only 'special order paint', which we know was possible, but also:  1) special cross ram manifold FROM THE FACTORY (only one known to have been installed in the factory?)..  but unfortunately was stolen from the car during the rail shipment - confirmed by special letter from the dealership!  Smiley  2) NOT only special paint color, but also *special paint stripes *...  only one known to be painted this way???  Smiley     NO pix of the documentation, but a lot of fancy words which makes up for the lack... Smiley

I'm only surprised it didn't get the special 'one of a kind factory installed' CAUTION fan sticker??

OK OK.  this is all 'tongue in cheek'.. looks around for the right little emoticon... Wink Grin Shocked   Roll Eyes   and then hides behind my  Cool     
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« Reply #2 on: May 01, 2014, 10:45:09 PM »

The funky stripes were added at the dealer.
I'm a doubter on the cross-ram. It's not on the order form, nor would Norwood have the parts.
It's not one owner - it's been on ebay 3 times (3 different sellers) in 10 years!

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« Reply #3 on: May 01, 2014, 10:49:17 PM »

Neat looking car, but I doubt it gets close to the estimate.
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« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2014, 02:05:07 AM »

I think there is a pic of it in Hoopers book, denoting the special stripes. Besides all the hoopla of cross ram and the train story, why go with a black grill??? It would be nice to see the "original" window sticker showing the cross ram
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« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2014, 05:32:48 AM »

 the ad states "Special Paint (a $33.75 option discounted to 26.71 including tax)"

that is the same price I have seen on other special paint paperwork for just the color change

So that would mean the special stripe work was done for free

that seems strange unless it was a VIP customer or dealer
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« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2014, 07:09:35 AM »

Here is a quote from their HIGHLIGHTS.....

- Originally ordered with JL8 4-wheel disc brakes, but delivered without due to availability

So that means it is NOT one of the 206 cars built with JL8.

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« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2014, 09:29:18 AM »

The camaro is scheduled to be sold on Friday May 16th 2014. Buyer Beware. There is lots of 1st gen camaro's for sell on Mecum's auction, plus this gem.... Shocked
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« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2014, 09:41:04 AM »

... and I tried to order a super Yenko Z28 ZL1 SS RS with 4 wheel disk brakes, and all options including the 'Caution Fan' sticker..  but ... GM wouldn't deliver it to me...  Sad
..  and that was just last week...  Smiley
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« Reply #9 on: May 02, 2014, 09:45:49 AM »

The camaro is scheduled to be sold on Friday May 16th 2014. Buyer Beware. There is lots of 1st gen camaro's for sell on Mecum's auction, plus this gem.... Shocked

Waste of a 4th gen and 1st gen sheetmetal.

As for the Carolina Blue car in the beginning I have my doubts the car was ever ordered with crossram or JL8..
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« Reply #10 on: May 02, 2014, 09:48:16 AM »

Maybe they delivered it, but while it was on the train, they stole everything, and left you the sticker !..   Cheesy
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« Reply #11 on: May 02, 2014, 06:21:26 PM »

Why would the dealer provide a letter telling you your special order intake manifold was stolen off the train.  If it was stolen they would order a new one and hand it to you when you came to get the car.  they wouldn't tell you it was stolen, hell they wouldn't even tell you it was ready for pickup until they had all the parts in hand.
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« Reply #12 on: May 02, 2014, 06:32:36 PM »

BTW, that's not carolina blue. More like UCLA blue.
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« Reply #13 on: May 02, 2014, 06:37:34 PM »

That seems odd to me as well. It was like somebody wanted proof it came with his car, so he asked the dealer to write up a letter saying it was stolen on the train. I was not around in 69 I didn't know train robberies were so common back then, I thought that all ended back with Jesse James and all.
SO there was a gang of guys reading window stickers that showed special options not bolted to the car,  they knew to be in the trunk, so that they didn't have to check every car?
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« Reply #14 on: May 02, 2014, 08:13:07 PM »

Either way, its a nice looking car. Wonder what was going through the mind of the person who ordered it at the time.

Would it have come with a silver grill?

When a car with a special ordered paint color, such as this blue, did it get any special treatment when going through the paint shop?
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« Reply #15 on: May 02, 2014, 10:11:56 PM »

He did attempt to order the JL8, but it was denied. Also tried ordering the HD clutch.

The cross-ram story is BS, IMO.

They don't know how to read the GMAC invoice. It wasn't discounted - that was what the dealer paid.
And again, the stripes were modified by the dealer.
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« Reply #16 on: May 02, 2014, 10:57:54 PM »

That seems odd to me as well. It was like somebody wanted proof it came with his car, so he asked the dealer to write up a letter saying it was stolen on the train. I was not around in 69 I didn't know train robberies were so common back then, I thought that all ended back with Jesse James and all.
SO there was a gang of guys reading window stickers that showed special options not bolted to the car,  they knew to be in the trunk, so that they didn't have to check every car?

Actually, when I was growing up back in the 80's.. er..  70's..   well OK.    60's..  Smiley   I DID hear stories about 4-speed transmissions being lifted from cars on freight trains, but I think a transmission would be a bit easier to thieve from a car on a train car, than an intake manifold.. Ever tried to remove your intake manifold without opening your hood??  Smiley    Besides WE at CRG know that the factory DID NOT install cross ram manifolds; the dealer sold them OTC, and perhaps even installed them with appropriate warnings about voiding your new car warranty?? Smiley
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« Reply #17 on: May 04, 2014, 11:27:57 AM »


When a car with a special ordered paint color, such as this blue, did it get any special treatment when going through the paint shop?

No, it was just a huge PITA dragging air-powered pressure pots through the booth and hand-spraying the body; spare circulating systems in each booth didn't get filled with special paint unless the order was for at least 50 cars (it took 100 gallons to fill a circulating system).
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« Reply #18 on: May 05, 2014, 08:58:30 PM »

Actually, when I was growing up back in the 80's.. er..  70's..   well OK.    60's..  Smiley   I DID hear stories about 4-speed transmissions being lifted from cars on freight trains, but I think a transmission would be a bit easier to thieve from a car on a train car, than an intake manifold.. Ever tried to remove your intake manifold without opening your hood??  Smiley    Besides WE at CRG know that the factory DID NOT install cross ram manifolds; the dealer sold them OTC, and perhaps even installed them with appropriate warnings about voiding your new car warranty?? Smiley

When I traveled through Ohio in the 90's I heard stories from the racers about loading down impalas with 4 spds and being chased by the railroad police...
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« Reply #19 on: May 10, 2014, 01:26:32 PM »

When I worked in the Poconos weekends in the 80's I heard there was a problem with thieves boarding the trains and stealing stuff like stereos form the cars while the train went through along a gorge following the river. Lots of places to get on and off the slow moving freight train, no streets or crossings for a good 15-20 miles, lots of curves. Anything portable and valuable was a target.
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« Reply #20 on: May 16, 2014, 04:13:43 PM »

Car just bid to 475,000 no sale
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« Reply #21 on: May 16, 2014, 06:43:08 PM »

Idiot. About 4x market value, IMO, and he didn't sell it.
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« Reply #22 on: May 16, 2014, 07:17:19 PM »

Just ran across a video of this car today.   

https://autos.yahoo.com/blogs/motoramic/reliving-motoring-s-golden-era-aboard-a-1969-chevrolet-camaro-z-28-and-its-all-new-successor-185126340.html

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« Reply #23 on: May 16, 2014, 07:18:07 PM »

Probably had his wing man bid it just short of reserve. Yawn...
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« Reply #24 on: May 16, 2014, 07:54:02 PM »


Ohhh that exhaust, sounds like glass packs to me. I prefer the transverse muffler sounding exhaust, but to each their own .... Grin
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« Reply #25 on: May 16, 2014, 08:33:17 PM »

Whoever was driving this car wouldn't be for long if he continually slipped the clutch as badly as he did in the video!
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« Reply #26 on: May 16, 2014, 08:36:45 PM »

yah, no kidding, it took the guy the first 100 yards just to let the clutch out. He probabley was told not to stomp it by the owner, and so the driver thought I will just keep the rpms real low and give it an extra amount of clutch. Just the opposite of what the car wants, (lots of rpms)
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« Reply #27 on: May 16, 2014, 09:30:16 PM »

maybe he took off in 3rd
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« Reply #28 on: May 18, 2014, 04:00:58 PM »

Went to Indy today and saw this car in person. As others have mentioned there are plenty of  things that are not right with it. For example, take a look at the attached photo of the firewall/cowl area. Not only is it a hard line between the colors but ithe black is wrapped up on the cowl as well. PTB stamps look like they were painted on by a kid. I wish someone could explain to me whats driving the price because I dont get it. I get that its a one off color and is heavy optioned but for my 450k (not that I have it lol) think I would much rather of had the 1300 mile 1968 Yenko parked next to it that sold for 320k. That car was absolutely gorgeous.
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« Reply #29 on: May 18, 2014, 05:04:54 PM »

That stuff looks about as sick as the crappy sound the car made...   ugh...  let's call that a 'baby blue' camaro.     much more appropriate..
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« Reply #30 on: May 18, 2014, 06:56:56 PM »

That stuff looks about as sick as the crappy sound the car made...   ugh...  let's call that a 'baby blue' camaro.     much more appropriate..

Hey now "crappy sound" ? some guys still have that (optional) exhaust on their cars !! It's just like Hugger Orange to me: some guys really like it, but to other guys its just ok... Grin

(if my car would have sounded like that, I would have had to make an adjustment first thing)
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« Reply #31 on: May 18, 2014, 08:17:13 PM »

That one didn't behave or sound like any z28 I've ever seen or heard...  it made the fella who made the video look like a 'joke'....
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« Reply #32 on: May 18, 2014, 09:23:46 PM »

I prefer the sound of an un-corked header myself Grin
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« Reply #33 on: May 18, 2014, 09:28:10 PM »

On the blue car, it was all shill bidding and none the high bids were real. Makes it appear the car is valuable.

Anybody have a pic of the trim tag for the 68 Yenko?
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« Reply #34 on: May 19, 2014, 07:33:57 AM »

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Fail on my end....just got the engine bay in total.
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« Reply #35 on: May 19, 2014, 08:51:25 AM »

That one didn't behave or sound like any z28 I've ever seen or heard...  it made the fella who made the video look like a 'joke'....

I agree. Sounds nothing like mine. What kind of exhaust did it have?  And why the always on backup lights?
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« Reply #36 on: May 19, 2014, 09:15:22 AM »

Anybody have a pic of the trim tag for the 68 Yenko?

Someone else got the tag photo and posted it over on Team Camaro
http://www.camaros.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=73465&d=1400507980
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« Reply #37 on: May 19, 2014, 10:40:15 AM »

That one didn't behave or sound like any z28 I've ever seen or heard...  it made the fella who made the video look like a 'joke'....

I agree. Sounds nothing like mine. What kind of exhaust did it have?  And why the always on backup lights?

The "blatty" exhaust note results from the cross-ram setup not having a crossover passage (just like the 1957-1965 Rochester fuel injections on Corvettes), which makes it sound like two different 4-cylinder engines, and a poor tuning job.

The backup lights are on because the backdrive rod is missing due to interference with the headers, and the lever at the base of the steering column is wired up to the brake booster so the ignition switch is free to operate without the rod in place. See that every day on cars with headers.
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« Reply #38 on: May 19, 2014, 11:33:37 AM »

Back in the good old days of street racing in New York, that meant you were ready for a race! But I agree with John, the rod is missing.
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« Reply #39 on: May 19, 2014, 12:06:57 PM »

Back in the good old days of street racing in New York, that meant you were ready for a race! But I agree with John, the rod is missing.
Interesting, I thought it was an Ohio thing. BITD All us hot rod guys would have the reverse lights wired to a secret toggle under the dash and flip it on as a sign a race is on or desired. We would also flip on the reverses when pulling into the Big Boy Drive-In to look cool and to put others on notice we were looking for a race.
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« Reply #40 on: May 19, 2014, 12:21:44 PM »

Thats funny to hear that. I have been around street racing since the early 90's, we would meet in Santa Clara at a Weinersnitzel, we would get run out of the parking lots of some of the other places by the police, trying to break us up. Our cars were all different ranges though, so you knew (roughly) how quick each car was, so you knew which match ups would be worth putting together. OR if you had enough guys wanting to run, we would head out , some times we would get a few races in before the cop showed up, other times you could run all night and you might see over 40 races, before you called it a night. Of course road conditions played a huge part in how well some guys got out of the hole.
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« Reply #41 on: May 19, 2014, 02:36:00 PM »

Show how naive I am. Never heard that. Guess I better not tell anybody that I used to street raced! They'd spot me for a fraud in 5 seconds!! Cheesy
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« Reply #42 on: May 21, 2014, 09:10:18 AM »

They do have a good record of finding lolipop guys  Smiley
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