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« on: May 01, 2014, 04:03:43 PM »

Anybody ever encountered a car that had a factory stripe delete
order in its history?
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« Reply #1 on: May 01, 2014, 05:08:34 PM »

No 1 owner of my 68 said it was ordered stripe delete. Also no console.
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« Reply #2 on: May 01, 2014, 06:16:47 PM »

Do you have any documentation referring to it? If so what kind and how does it refer to it?
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« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2014, 07:25:38 AM »

Yes, My car was ordered without stripes. It's marked on the build sheet as: (Stripes to be deleted). It also has the special paint code (-) on the trim tag.
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« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2014, 08:25:47 AM »

How is the (-) placed in the tag?
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« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2014, 08:31:39 AM »

It takes the place of the paint code.
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« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2014, 08:38:50 AM »

Do you have a pic of tag? I have a 67RSSS that is said to be a factory bb delete.
Looking into a little more verification.
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« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2014, 09:41:59 AM »

Yes, My car was ordered without stripes. It's marked on the build sheet as: (Stripes to be deleted). It also has the special paint code (-) on the trim tag.

This is true for late 68 & 9.

67 would have been 0-0 & early 68 would have been Z-Z

http://camaros.org/numbers.shtml#CowlTag


Scroll down till you get to - Cowl Tag Examples for Special Paint


Do you have a pic of tag? I have a 67RSSS that is said to be a factory bb delete.
Looking into a little more verification.

Just post a pic of your trim tag and we will be able to help you.
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« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2014, 10:18:57 AM »

Paint code shows A-2. So  your saying A= lower tux black, - = delete, 2 = vinyl top.  ??
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« Reply #9 on: May 02, 2014, 10:31:21 AM »

Scratch that question. I finally found the CRG section on this. I have no dash on tag after options or on lower section.
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« Reply #10 on: May 02, 2014, 10:36:15 AM »

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 I have a 67RSSS that is said to be a factory bb delete.

If you mean by "bb", a big block, there's no such thing as "big block delete". The 396 was an option, like a radio or power steering. It wasn't "standard equipment" and you can't "delete" options.

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« Reply #11 on: May 02, 2014, 10:41:51 AM »

Stripe Ed....Bumble B.
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« Reply #12 on: May 02, 2014, 10:42:46 AM »

Ah! That makes more sense.

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« Reply #13 on: May 02, 2014, 11:43:15 AM »

How is the (-) placed in the tag?

Here's one example from a LOS special paint cowl tag...



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« Reply #14 on: May 02, 2014, 01:41:13 PM »

looks like that was the only thing special about it, when you found it!
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« Reply #15 on: May 02, 2014, 01:50:07 PM »

Someone here bought that car (well what was left).  Cant remember who though.  Wish I knew the vin; it was built one week after mine.
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« Reply #16 on: May 02, 2014, 02:15:29 PM »

looks like that was the only thing special about it, when you found it!

Nope, it has disc brakes too!   Smiley



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« Reply #17 on: May 02, 2014, 02:18:35 PM »

Someone here bought that car (well what was left).  Cant remember who though.  Wish I knew the vin; it was built one week after mine.

Darrell, Captain Bob (68 RS/SS Ragtop) bought it.  The VIN is 124378L322467.

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« Reply #18 on: May 02, 2014, 02:32:34 PM »

Less than 2K away from my car.  Closest one yet that I have seen.  Thanks Paul.
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« Reply #19 on: May 02, 2014, 05:21:28 PM »

Finally got a chance to reply. Looks like he figured it out for 69.


However my car shows GG on the trim plate ,nothing else. ( 04 Norwood car). In the late 80's, early 90's the old man who shot the stripes approached me at a show  proudly giving some history of the car. Done at Milad Chevrolet in Amherst.  Honestly I sort of didn't believe him and put it off over the years.

Flash forward to a few years ago...#1 calls me, we chit chat ,tells me car was stripe/console delete. Plus some other cool history.


As my paint/body man was obtaining measurements ,told me they were slightly off per CHP, this site etc... So there it is. Pretty sure the mice ran off with the build sheet ,if that's what it was , almost 30 years ago.

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« Reply #20 on: May 02, 2014, 06:18:20 PM »

Can't be console delete, console was an option, not part of the base car.  Had to be ordered as an extra cost item.
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« Reply #21 on: May 02, 2014, 10:14:17 PM »

Have 68 that is stripe delete car. Where the paint code is on the trim tag it is a -1. Talked to original owner he told me special the car  this way.
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« Reply #22 on: May 02, 2014, 10:18:36 PM »

Have 68 that is stripe delete car. Where the paint code is on the trim tag it is a -1. Talked to original owner he told me special the car  this way.

Wierd Bronze color, isn't it ?

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« Reply #23 on: May 02, 2014, 10:26:59 PM »

Thankfully he didn't order that old funny looking blue .
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« Reply #24 on: May 02, 2014, 10:54:59 PM »

Bronze what did the window sticker reflect code wise?
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« Reply #25 on: May 03, 2014, 06:16:39 AM »

Can't be console delete, console was an option, not part of the base car.  Had to be ordered as an extra cost item.

Not for sale on Ebay , just repeating parts of a conversation.
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« Reply #26 on: May 04, 2014, 10:25:00 PM »

Dealer invoice list all options including price's of each option. No mention of stripe on invoice.
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« Reply #27 on: May 04, 2014, 10:50:37 PM »

Isn't the stripe(s) part of a package?    it would mention the stripe separately, ONLY if it were deleted...
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« Reply #28 on: May 05, 2014, 06:50:35 AM »

D90 was was part of the Z27 package in 67. To the best of my knowledge you are correct Gary. When you have ordered a package that includes the stripe it would not be listed. But as I am finding out it "may" be shown on the cowl tag, sometime in 67 with a 0-0 paint code, or a "-" toward bottom of tag right of options 68 and later.
My original question was how was this shown, what code was used, on window sticker. This I am being told was 1001AA Special Paint.
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« Reply #29 on: May 05, 2014, 09:04:38 AM »

Paint codes on the window sticker would have been 1001AA for a no charge special paint, all the way up to a 1001HA paint code for the most expensive paint.  Nowhere on the window sticker would it tell you what the special paint color was.  The 0-0 special paint code would clue the paint booth to check the associated paperwork for the car to get the color to be used, and it was typically sprayed from a hand held pressure pot in the paint booth, unless the car was part of a fleet order of about 50 or more cars that would justify filling one of the paint systems in the booth with that color paint.

The "-" code after the 5th option group means the car is part of a fleet order.  Not all of the tags in a single special order would contain the FSO number (for some reason, never figured out yet), maybe every 10th car got the full number.  Ex the 67 pace cars have a fleet order of -061 (one of a few numbers), but theres plenty of them that just have a single "-" in that location.  If the car was a one off FSO order car, it would have the complete FSO number after the dash.  But the "-" FSO designator after the 5th option group really has nothingto do with the special paint code.  You could get a special paint car without having an FSO number.
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« Reply #30 on: May 05, 2014, 09:37:21 AM »

The reason in my having such interest is I have what is thought to be a factory delete
Stripe early 67RSSS. There is nothing on the cowl to reflect this. But I do have reference to this in some notes
That dealership salesman had made on car after order date. I feel that with the timeframe the car
was ordered, notes made and car delivered, that  and no reference of paint work done at dealer, that it was most likely done at factory.
But I'm still digging!
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« Reply #31 on: May 05, 2014, 11:50:52 AM »

Bumble bee Stripe deletion wouldn't be on the cowl tag, becasue Fisher didn't paint the front end sheet metal.  GM must have covered that in their Body Broadcast sheet with some kind of note about not painting the nose stripes, and or the pinstripes along the top of the fenders that the RS's got.
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« Reply #32 on: May 05, 2014, 01:23:25 PM »

So Mark, your saying that in your opinion that a FSO for delete of stripe, that it would show on broadcast, build and window stickers only?
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« Reply #33 on: May 05, 2014, 04:32:16 PM »

A D90/D91 stripe deletion would never show on the cowl tag, and also probably not show on the window sticker as there was no cost associated with it.  I'm guessing that it would have to have been on the GM body braodcast sheet down at the bottom saying something like stripe delete, or do not paint nose stripe.  I've only seen one body broadcast sheet for a 67 PC that had those kinds of notes, and it just said something like pace car paint per FSO sheet (they were part of an FSO (fleet and special order) where as a stripe delete car could not necessarily have an FSO number.

The body broadcast sheet is the build sheet, or atleast half of them, as there was a chassis build sheet as well.  All items on it were for GM's work on the car.
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« Reply #34 on: May 05, 2014, 05:36:18 PM »

Man this stuff just keeps firing up your curiosity. Gm sure left a lot up to the imagination
with the first gens. Find one answer and it just creates another question. Love it. Or love to hate it.
Ok.......so now I guess my question to dwell on is........who if anyone, can say if they ever saw this on a window sticker.
The forum and data does mention the relationship of this subject to the 1001AA as a no cost code as I mentioned earlier. But as Mark said the probability of not being on the sticker makes sense. Well I take that back..
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« Reply #35 on: May 06, 2014, 08:29:22 AM »

looking at my POP tag today ,across the top is stamped as such:   E     GG      1243XXXXXXX, varies from the few I've seen if this helps. E ?   double G for paint code ?
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« Reply #36 on: May 06, 2014, 09:14:55 AM »

E is the interior paint code which is black.  GG is ash gold no vinyl roof.

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« Reply #37 on: May 07, 2014, 12:13:06 AM »

I sanded on my original header panel off my car & found no stripe ever being on this car. About 20 years ago I met a gentleman who was the original owner off his car and his car had had a -2 on the trim tag it no stripes l78 car original paint car. I asked him about the code - he told me that his was special paint car  that they left off the paint code on the trim if was stripe delete car . He worked  for gm. Hope this helps.
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« Reply #38 on: May 07, 2014, 12:22:49 AM »

See reply#33
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« Reply #39 on: May 07, 2014, 06:00:07 AM »

Z28's would show the "-" special paint code on the cowl tag so that Fisher wouldn't paint the trunck stripes, but all other stripes we GM's to paint and they didn't use any of the codes on Fishers tag to determine what options went on the car.  Heck the front end wasn't even near the rear body tub when it was painted, it was in a separate paint booth, and was never near the body until it was installed.

If he's got an L78 with a dash paint code it has to have been be a non standard color originally, or a color paint that was discontinued earlier in the model year.
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« Reply #40 on: May 07, 2014, 07:13:30 AM »

Z28's would show the "-" special paint code on the cowl tag so that Fisher wouldn't paint the trunck stripes, but all other stripes we GM's to paint and they didn't use any of the codes on Fishers tag to determine what options went on the car.  Heck the front end wasn't even near the rear body tub when it was painted, it was in a separate paint booth, and was never near the body until it was installed.

If he's got an L78 with a dash paint code it has to have been be a non standard color originally, or a color paint that was discontinued earlier in the model year.
If I understand your point, Mark, you are saying the dash(s) on the TT only pertained to work performed by Fisher (cowl on back), so that front striping delete (non-Fisher work)would not show a dash on the TT. Correct?
First, I am not sure that I agree. Having said that, I am certainly no expert on any of the ordering, building, selling or any other operation involved with production of early Camaros. I do have a 69 L48 car with 2 dashes on tag where paint code is located. I wondered why this was the case as the color appears to be standard color (LeMans Blue) and, in my case, no stripes were deleted. KurtS pointed out that the dashes are probably because the D90 stripes are white, but the car has a black vinyl top, the default color shows a black top would get black stripes! Now, I am not sure were the default color change (dashes) affected the top or the stripes? I mean, was it ordered with a black top (default stripe color was black) and a requested the white stripe or was it ordered with the white stripe and a change in V. top color? The later example would point to the Fisher end of production. This would support what you say, but , in fact, is this the case?
The second point: The last sentence regarding the L78, being this is a Big Block car, couldn't the paint delete be the tail panel black(Fisher side)?
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« Reply #41 on: May 07, 2014, 07:27:24 AM »

I will have to respectfully disagree with you Mark.

I fully believe that the " - - " was used for stripe changes and/or deletion as well as special colors.  This would give everyone (Fisher or GM) a heads up to look at the buildsheet to verify color/stripe/whatever change.
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« Reply #42 on: May 07, 2014, 07:34:06 AM »

Adding my 2 cents...... from info I have gathered most of which has been at this sight....the dash method didn't start until the 68's and was nothing or 0-0 paint code then. But any fleet order or special paint order would cause this to appear on cowl tag. Special paint meaning other than standard or stripe delete or color changes to same.
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« Reply #43 on: May 07, 2014, 07:47:54 AM »

some of the 1967 Pace Cars and Yenko L78 Camaros have a dash or a dash and a number on the bottom line of the trim tag

It showed there was some type of special order

On the 1967 Yenkos, there was no known special parts or special paint and not all of them had the special order tag
some just have a dash , some have a dash and a number, some have neither
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« Reply #44 on: May 07, 2014, 10:11:08 AM »

kolektor,
 I have never seen a La mans blue car with black stripes from the factory, V.T. or not. Marina blue? yes. where did you see that La mans default stripe color information?
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« Reply #45 on: May 07, 2014, 10:40:35 AM »

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 I have never seen a La mans blue car with black stripes from the factory, V.T. or not. Marina blue? yes. where did you see that La mans default stripe color information?
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« Reply #46 on: May 07, 2014, 10:50:01 AM »

Ahh 69, I see. . .  don't know those.  Still, I have never seen a La mans blue car with factory black stripes.
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« Reply #47 on: May 07, 2014, 10:52:21 AM »

The 0-0 paint code (or 0-1 (2 or 4) for convertibles) was a special paint instruction code for the 67s in the PNT area of the cowl tag.  The - - - for 68 and - - for 69 (all could have a letter code in the last dash for a vinyl or convertible top color) were special paint instruction codes for 68 and 69.  Note the word instruction.  The code didn't tell the assemblers anything about what color, or if it was a stripe deletion, or if it was going to receive a show finsh, it was just a code to clue the FISHER paint line that there were special paint requirments for this car.  The actual requirements were on a peice of paper that accompanied the car, or were on hand at the paint booth.  The - or - and a number at the bottom of the tag were indicative of an FSO (fleet or Special Order) number.  The two have nothing to do with each other, unless the FSO had a special order or show finish paint associated with it, in which case you would have 0's or -'s in the PNT section and an FSO number at the bottom.

If you think GM cared about either dash on the tag, and used it to delete stripes, or paint a stripe a different color, or even paint the front end a non standard color then your going to have to explain to me how they saw the tag when the rear half of the car was on the Trim engine or Chassis assembly line when the Front sheetmetal was being painted in the paint booth in two separate areas of the plant.  The first time the front end sheetmetal came together with the body tub was in the final assembly line after the engine and running rear was already installed.  They did it with the Body Broadcast sheets.  My opinion, not documented fact.
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« Reply #48 on: May 07, 2014, 11:36:32 AM »

  The code didn't tell the assemblers anything about what color, or if it was a stripe deletion, or if it was going to receive a show finsh, it was just a code to clue the FISHER paint line that there were special paint requirments for this car.  The actual requirements were on a peice of paper that accompanied the car, or were on hand at the paint booth.  The - or - and a number at the bottom of the tag were indicative of an FSO (fleet or Special Order) number. 

I believe that is what I said or at least was trying to say but just in a much more condensed version.   Grin


I will have to respectfully disagree with you Mark.

I fully believe that the " - - " was used for stripe changes and/or deletion as well as special colors.  This would give everyone (Fisher or GM) a heads up to look at the buildsheet to verify color/stripe/whatever change.
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« Reply #49 on: May 07, 2014, 11:56:01 AM »

The first part of that wasn't directed soley at you or your coments just a long winded explanation of what the tag codes meant, and who saw them.  Now the second part might be.

You see the guys in the Sheetmetal assembly and paint shop on GMs side of the plant NEVER actually saw the trim tag, or the car itself.  they just got sets of front end sheetmetal, off the line, they welded the inner frames to the fenders, punched emblem holes in them, and painted them based soley on the info on the Body Broadcast sheets that came off the printer.  From there they went out to the final assembly line for installation on the body by a whole other group of UAW gus (and gals).  They (the GM paint booth guys) never saw the cowl tag or the body tub, and would have no idea what they said on them.  Bumblee bee, and the other front end stripes were all painted in the GM paint booth after the body color but before the front end sheetmetal was bolted together.  The 67 fender line pinstripes, and the 69 D96 stripes were painted after the front end was assembled onto the tup on the final assembly line.  But those weren't code onto the Fisher Tag anyways.
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« Reply #50 on: May 07, 2014, 11:57:19 AM »

The first part of that wasn't directed soley at you or your coments just a long winded explanation of what the tag codes meant, and who saw them.  And yes the deletion of a panel blackout on a big block would probably have resulted in a special paint instruction code on the tag.  Now the second part might be.

You see the guys in the Sheetmetal assembly and paint shop on GMs side of the plant NEVER actually saw the trim tag, or the car itself.  they just got sets of front end sheetmetal, off the line, they welded the inner frames to the fenders, punched emblem holes in them, and painted them based soley on the info on the Body Broadcast sheets that came off the printer.  From there they went out to the final assembly line for installation on the body by a whole other group of UAW gus (and gals).  They (the GM paint booth guys) never saw the cowl tag or the body tub, and would have no idea what they said on them.  Bumblee bee, and the other front end stripes were all painted in the GM paint booth after the body color but before the front end sheetmetal was bolted together.  The 67 fender line pinstripes, and the 69 D96 stripes were painted after the front end was assembled onto the tup on the final assembly line.  But those weren't code onto the Fisher Tag anyways.
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« Reply #51 on: May 07, 2014, 12:42:08 PM »

Going back to Darrell's post (#45) the footnote (4) regarding LeMans Blue says that only White stripes have been observed...Hmmm...makes me even more curious what could have caused my tag to be - - ? Does the color look like 71? This is a real curiosity to me that I thought KurtS settled, but perhaps not. Only other thing that was different about car are the XT rims seemed to be painted Argent and I do not know if this was done after car left factory. There is blue under the silver, but whoever painted them, did so with tires off as there is overspray on inside surface where tire mounts. Just because there is blue under the silver could be someone at Nor. did not see notes and corrected to what order said? Just speculating at this point. Would like to hear what others have to say and this is nothing against Kurt's expertise, which I respect deeply, but I have never been real sure about this TT's meaning.
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« Reply #52 on: May 07, 2014, 01:21:43 PM »

I feel that Kurt is correct in his logic but without the buildsheet you will never be 100% sure.
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« Reply #53 on: May 07, 2014, 01:34:02 PM »

DW, thought you were going to tell me tag is FAKE...still remembering last time you messed with my head Grin Grin Roll Eyes
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« Reply #54 on: May 07, 2014, 02:01:52 PM »

Weeelllllll now that you mention it......  It does look a little funny.. Grin
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« Reply #55 on: May 07, 2014, 03:30:03 PM »

If the original owner of your car didn't order full wheel covers (car came with dog dish wheel covers) then your wheels wold have been painted body color by the factory.  Again this occurred off line and nowhere near the car.  All the wheel line knoew was car number X (build order number for that day) called for standard (or XT, or Rally, etc) and the car was going to be Y color.  Rallys were easy, they were all argent silver.  All the others they would have to get the paint color off the broadcast sheet.  5 wheels at a time came down the line (unless there was a space saver which must have created some kind of havoc) and were were painted as required, then they were baked off and tires installed.  Again there was several tire options.  Keeping them all straight, getting the right color wheels onto the right tires and keeping the groups in order from one end of the line till they got to the car was an exercise in organization and control, nothing happened by chance in an assembly plant.  If the wheels got painted the wrong color, or had the wrong tires mounted they probably wouldn't find that out until the final inspection of the car, and they wouldn't repaint the wheels, they would just get a new set made, and send the wrong ones back to be broken down and reused.
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« Reply #56 on: May 07, 2014, 09:58:39 PM »

The gentleman I talked to  years ago car that had factory color 68 l78 car had never been repainted did have black tail panel. As for my  68 corvette bronze Camaro the original owner told the dealer he would not take the car if it came in with a stripe on it. He sold the car in 1970 but he special ordered it & remembered every option on it. It also had the black tail panel.  So my question is why do they talk about the special paint car & stripe delete car having a - instead of paint codes in the Camaro forum in the trim tag section in this group if was not so! I have owned the car since 1981 & had very reputable car collector look at  car. Asked me why  I didn't stripe the car showed him trim tag saw the -  for paint code  first word he said was stripe delete car. His name was Chuck Hanson.
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« Reply #57 on: May 08, 2014, 05:54:00 AM »

If it was built before January of 68 Corvette Bronze would have been a special order paint color.
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« Reply #58 on: May 08, 2014, 06:31:40 AM »

If it was before Jan of 68 it would have had "Z-Z" or in this case "Z-2".  But its a June built car.
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« Reply #59 on: May 09, 2014, 09:18:42 AM »

it is interesting that there was some need to show special order cars with a special trim tag and sometimes was as little info as just a dash (-) on the tag

I have had a special order 1969 Chevelle since 1986 so have been interested in these special trim tags which made up a very small percentage of the tags but can be found when you compare the special order tag to the normal tag

I also research all GM cars and trucks that I think were special orders and have seen some tags with the dash, a dash and a number, a number, the letters COPO, MEMO, AVO, SHOW, and others, and some cars that used the 8 digit Dupont paint code in the normal paint code field

Some 1968 Camaro special order cars had a very unique identifier which was to install the older Chevy tag with the Magic Mirror statement
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« Reply #60 on: May 09, 2014, 10:46:19 AM »

Magic Mirror tag was also used on Yenko cars as well.   Wink
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« Reply #61 on: May 09, 2014, 11:26:21 AM »

If it was before Jan of 68 it would have had "Z-Z" or in this case "Z-2".  But its a June built car.

Why would a corvette bronze car have a Z-Z (british green) code on it when Corvette bronze was not a standard Camaro color until January of 68, and when it was added it is code O?  British racing green also was one of those colors added in January of 68 when Black, Fathom blue, Grecian Geen and Palermo Ivory were deleted, and Rallye Green, Corvette Bronze, Lemans Blue, and Britsh Green got added?  Codes J,O,U and Z didn't exist as a Camaro paint code before 1/68.

Were talking the L78 with the - paint code above in reply 56.  Think we have a couple of converstions crossing over one another here.

Can't explain why yours has a special paint code on the tag, you seem to have a standard Lemans Blue car (we sure its lemans blue and not some other GM special order blue color?).  There are two blue colors on your car from the cowl tag picture, one darker than the other.  Is it paint fade, or is there another color under the current color?



If we follow the general rule that GM didn't use the Fisher cowl tag for anything and the front end stripes were painted by GM off line in the sheetmetal and paint booth no where near the cowl tag.
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« Reply #62 on: May 09, 2014, 12:02:48 PM »

I think your reply should be directed to cook dw as that is the quote and your responses except for my tag. I can assure you there are no other colors under the paint and it has one respray of the same color that are in the hidden areas and I always thought it was LeMans blue, but could never be sure because of the tag. It could have been a stripe delete and added when resprayed. Don't know for sure. Only some areas were resprayed and most of the original paint is visible. I got rid of the original fenders years ago (mistake) as I bought NOS back in the day to replace them. Always been a puzzler to me. The paint you see in the pic on tag and top of cowl are GM original. Not sure where you see two colors, must be the lighting. lower part of tag is the black that came on tag. Car has not been messed with at least no accident or modifyed except for my tunnel ram which car still has the original components, intake was for pic only and I never ran it on the car. Owned since 79. You can see the silver XT rim behind my Centerline. Car also had P06 trim rings with dog dish caps. If money holds out after Big Block car is done, this will be next. It is very original.
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« Reply #63 on: May 09, 2014, 12:07:32 PM »

Why would a corvette bronze car have a Z-Z (british green) code on it when Corvette bronze was not a standard Camaro color until January of 68, and when it was added it is code O?  British racing green also was one of those colors added in January of 68 when Black, Fathom blue, Grecian Geen and Palermo Ivory were deleted, and Rallye Green, Corvette Bronze, Lemans Blue, and Britsh Green got added?  Codes J,O,U and Z didn't exist as a Camaro paint code before 1/68.


They used "O" in 67 and "Z" in early 68 for special paint or whatever.  After Jan of 68 they used the "-".  His car(rare396bronze) is a June built car and had the "-" so it wouldnt have been a special paint at that time to get bronze.  It had to be for the stripe delete.  I swear I thought we had already gone over this.. Huh

Were talking the L78 with the - paint code above in reply 56.  Think we have a couple of converstions crossing over one another here.

Different cars but the same situation.  The car would have been built after Jan 68 for it to have gotten the "-" on the trim tag.  



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« Reply #64 on: May 09, 2014, 01:11:04 PM »

So excluding a special order color which obviously warrents a "-" on the cowl tag, what does Fisher do to a non Z28 car tub thats different on a "-" (or early "Z") coded car on a stripe deletion?  Obviously on a Z28 they don't paint the rear stripes, nor do they paint the Cowl stripes.  On a BB they could delete the tail panel blackout.

They don't have the front fenders, valance  or the hood, so nothing from the doors forward can be affected by info on the cowl tag, and the physical tag is nowhere near these complenents when they are assembled and painted on the GM side.

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« Reply #65 on: May 12, 2014, 07:31:49 AM »

I have seen special paint trim tags for 68 Camaro of some cars that had stripes and some did not and the tags look the same with the 2 dashes and no paint code

So on those special paint cars, you can't tell if they had stripes or not from the trim tag but those cars have original pictures one
 showing stripes and the other no stripe

I have seen some police Impala special paint trim tags where they showed 3 dashes in the paint code field which I think was to show
special paint and some type of extra work such as a stripe or maybe the door color was different then the lower body color (3 tone paint )

Camaro could have done something like that if they wanted to show more info on the tags

We know in 1967 the early big blocks and Zs were 4P then they expanded the info to show 4N 4K 4L
In 1968 there was no room to show option codes on the tag (except on special order tags)
Then in 1969 they started to  show more info with X codes and other codes or numbers
they must have had a reason to show more info on the tag
as it was continued with 1970 and later
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« Reply #67 on: May 14, 2014, 07:02:29 AM »

There is a lot of great info on this site and many thanks to all who contribute

looking at this info on the 1968 Yenko tag, I think that should be reviewed as my research is a little different then this info.....
"(These discussions apply only to U.S.-built bodies sold by GM in North America and are not applicable to models assembled outside of the U.S. Note that 1968 Yenkos and 1968 non-Canadian export models, not requiring the statement of certification to the Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards, were shipped with 1959-1963 style Fisher Body tags that are absent the 1968 certification statement. And 1969 export tags are often blank on the bottom of the tag.) "

I don't believe the "Magic Mirror" tag was used to omit the 1968 safety statement
I believe it was used as a special order tag

The  "Magic Mirror" tag was used as late as 1966 on early Fremont CA. built Chevelles and some 1968 Camaros with the
 "Magic Mirror" tag have a separate tag with the safety statement on it.

I have been doing research on Yenkos since 1986 and did a lot on the Chevelles and 67-68 Camaros tags.
I found the special order tags on the Chevelles and 1967 Camaros over 10 years ago and at that time I was told they did not have special tags but proved they do have a special tag when compared to normal tags. (not all 1967 Yenkos have it, all Yenko and 427 COPO Chevelles I found have it)

Some 1968 Yenkos have the  "Magic Mirror" tag which at the time was said to be an export tag since it was also found on some export Camaros. When I was researching the 68s, I found the  "Magic Mirror" tag was used as late as 1966 on early Fremont Chevelles.
I believe it was used on special order 1968 Camaros because the  "Magic Mirror" tag has a "ACC" accessory code line which can show the special order codes if needed

Yenko was allowed special order cars for his race cars and hi po street cars  including Corvette, Camaro, Chevelle Corvair Nova and Vega and it shows up on most of the tags

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« Reply #68 on: May 14, 2014, 09:16:38 AM »

Maybe this should be in a new thread but I do find this topic interesting.  Can anyone verify if Nickey & Dana did or did not have the "Magic Mirror" tags like the Yenkos of 68.
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« Reply #69 on: May 14, 2014, 10:42:45 AM »

as far as I know, Yenko was the only one to get the special order 1968 Camaros that had COPO 9737 with 140 speedo, large ft sway bar, special code L78, and other HD items

in 1968 COPO 9737 was called the Yenko Sportscars Conversion
in 1969 COPO 9737 was called the Sportscar Conversion and other dealers were allowed to order it on 427 COPO Camaros and Chevelles
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« Reply #70 on: May 18, 2014, 09:12:04 PM »

The export cars used the ACC tag specifically because they didn't meet US specs and and 69 export and foreign-built cars also deleted the compliance text.
Norwood didn't use the extra space on the ACC tag.
All known special order 68 cars didn't get the ACC tag. Most of these are special paint. Yenkos are the only known Camaro COPOs in 68 so it's hard to know if there a difference between F&SO and COPO tagging.
At least 2 apparently normal order cars got the ACC tag and got an extra compliance tag.
Yenkos got the ACC tag and did not get the extra compliance tag. Why not?

The Yenkos were running MV code motor which probably was not certified and were going to be sold new with a 427.  So they were not in compliance with federal regs.
That leads to our conclusion of why the Yenko cars got the ACC tag.
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« Reply #71 on: May 20, 2014, 02:56:46 AM »

  There actually were two stripe deletes in 1968. According to the AIM, the D88 and D96 stripes were canceled before implemtentaion. The D88 was a little too psychedlic and the D96 just sucked, in my opinion. Just a bit of trivia to banter about.
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« Reply #72 on: May 20, 2014, 05:48:30 AM »

Those aren't really stripe deletes, they were stripes that were cancelled before they made it into production.  The D88 was probably just a little to labor intensive in a production environment, as each stripe would have had to have been masked off 5 times to paint all the different colors, and keeping track of the various stripe colors that went with the car body colors would have been a nightmare for the paint shop..
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« Reply #73 on: May 20, 2014, 11:48:31 PM »

The pics I have of the D88 stripe show it was a decal.
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« Reply #74 on: May 21, 2014, 05:26:25 AM »

The maroon 68 convertible with the white interior?  That one is clearly paint, but of course its originality has always been questioned.

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« Reply #75 on: May 21, 2014, 05:48:06 PM »

No, a promo pic from GM with a woman stretching the stripe around the nose of the car.
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The Yenkos were running MV code motor which probably was not certified and were going to be sold new with a 427.  So they were not in compliance with federal regs.
That leads to our conclusion of why the Yenko cars got the ACC tag.

this is my opinion based on  what I found when researching the 1967-68 Yenkos.

It is hard to believe that Chevy would sell a car to a US dealer that did not meet all the Federal regulations, but if that were the case , it still does not explain the use of the Magic Mirror tag. The statement on the normal 1968 tag  is not for engine/emission regulations , it is just to date the safety standards.

Chevy was already in a lot of trouble with the Corvair safety issues so I don't think they would sell a car to any US dealer that did not meet safety laws. More on this later.

I have done a lot of research on the Yenkos as the Magic Mirror tag is an interesting mystery to me.

We know they needed to show special orders or fleet orders on the trim tags, for some reason, and they did use a special order tag the year before on some 1967 Yenko Camaros.

The 68 Camaros with special paint used a special order trim tag but was just omission of the paint code. That was enough to do the job for special paint but I think something more was needed to show a special order car or a fleet order or a COPO order.

What would a 1968 special order Camaro tag look like for a build like a show car, an export,  a police, fire, military, or a fleet order if they had to build one?
Not many examples found to do the research on.

Not counting special order paint (dash) tags, what examples do we have for 1968 Camaros?
I only know of the exports, the Yenkos, and two other Camaros with Magic Mirror tags.

We know that GM used special order tags and we have examples from Camaro, Chevelle, Impala, truck, Firebird, and others, where they used  numbers or words such as SHOW, MEMO, COPO, SPEC, SPECIAL, and others codes on the tags.

I think they selected the magic mirror tag to show the special order as I have not seen the other codes used like GM used on the other makes and models.

The  mystery is why did they use the Magic Mirror tag?
If they just wanted to omit the safety statement, they could have just used a 1967 Camaro tag or another 1967 tag since they did not have the safety statement.

Hard to say what they were thinking, but the magic mirror tag was an old tag. It was used from about 1962 to early 1966 in some plants.
If they wanted an odd ball tag that would stand out as a special order tag, the Magic Mirror tag would do the job.

on the safety statement..........

I did some research on the safety statement looking at what was used in 68-69 by GM, Ford, Chrysler, AMC, and Chevy Trucks. There does not appear to be a Government regulated statement required as they all used different ones. One thing common in all of them is that the build date of that particular vehicle is always associated with the safety statement.

I think that is why GM put it on the trim tags. So the vehicle build date can be cross checked with the cut in date of the Federal regulation. AMC and Chevy trucks used a separate tag with a blank field to stamp the vehicle build date.

The new 1968 regulation cut in dates were for Jan 1st but due to the design and production times, many of the safety features had to be done before the required date.
It looks like the dated safety statement was needed so they can correspond to the regulation versions for that vehicle's build date.

I did not find anything saying there was a Gov requirement for a safety statement as some MFG did not use any so I don't know if that was a problem to omit the safety statement on the 1968 Yenkos.

here is the 1968 Camaro safety statement on the standard tag.........

 "GENERAL MOTORS CORPORATION CERTIFIES TO THE DEALER THAT THIS VEHICLE CONFORMS TO ALL FEDERAL MOTOR VEHICLE SAFETY STANDARDS APPLICABLE AT TIME OF MANUFACTURE"

  here is some of the 1968 Federal reg........

"In 1968, the precursor agency to The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) show the safety technologies installed in passenger cars by model year 1968, responding to the initial FMVSS of January 1, 1968, included lap/shoulder or lap belts at all seat positions, energy-absorbing steering assemblies, dual master cylinders, and seat back locks, among others. In addition, model year 1968 passenger cars were equipped with side marker lamps, anticipating a requirement that would take effect on January 1, 1969."
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Was there a condition or statement associated with the sale that the cars were for 'off road' use?  ie. not for highway passenger car usage??   I seem to recall that a number of these 'dealer' 427 cars (Baldwin Motion in particular) were ordered/delivered with 396 engines, which the dealer pulled to install the 427's....
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« Reply #78 on: May 23, 2014, 10:17:25 AM »

That was another interesting thing I see in my notes on this but didn't copy to my reply because it was getting too long and most people would be asleep before finishing my post Smiley

The 68 Yenko was a fast car with a high power to weight ratio so would be somewhat unsafe but they actually had safety upgrades.
The 1968 Yenko COPO 9737 had disk brakes, HD suspension, larger ft bar, 140 speedo, and other items.


In comparison, look at the 1968 COPO 9738 Chevy II. Fred Gibb was allowed to special order  50 of these  L78 TH400 Chevy IIs to meet the NHRA rule book for the auto trans drag car class. Chevy knew these cars were ordered to drag race and they have the safety statement.

Same issues with the L88 Corvettes and the 1969 ZL1 Camaros. 500 HP and lighter weight, built to meet the racing rules. They were somewhat of a safety risk as compared to normal production cars but they have the safety statement.

 
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« Reply #79 on: June 05, 2014, 10:35:24 AM »

just to ad something to the special paint / special trim tag research

not a Camaro but shows what was done by GM in 1969 in one plant

In a discussion on a special paint 1969 Chevelle built at the Leeds plant in Kansas City with "AVO" on the tag
AVO is not used on the normal tag and only found on a small number of tags, some are documented special paint cars

I found in GM BUSINESS SYSTEMS BS 1457 GM GLOSSARY OF TERMS
 ......AVO...... "avoid verbal orders"   listed  as a form used to document verbal communications

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« Reply #80 on: June 05, 2014, 02:46:39 PM »

Correct me if I am wrong but it appears Mark is stating that that information applied to TT would be furnished differently based on the plant...

Example... LA produced cars with no stripe would have a - - since they did in fact paint the front ends, BUT Norwood would have standard information? 

It makes more sense that all information would be sent to the initial point of assembly, it seems it would be easier to assign all information the same regardless of whether it applied or not, it would eliminate the possibility of not enough information at the assembly plants.
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« Reply #81 on: June 05, 2014, 03:08:06 PM »

I considered buying a '68 Z/28 in Rally Green back in '71.  It was a stripe delete car and was still original paint.  I didn't care for the color and the motor had already been patched up from spinning a rod bearing.  I didn't but it.  It had the numbers matching "MO" engine with the matching VIN.

In hind sight I guess I shouldn't have let it get away.  I later bought a Lemans Blue '68 Z. and only had it for 3 years.  Wonder where it is today?
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« Reply #82 on: June 05, 2014, 03:09:47 PM »

I considered buying a '68 Z/28 in Rally Green back in '71.  It was a stripe delete car and was still original paint.  I didn't care for the color and the motor had already been patched up from spinning a rod bearing.  I didn't buy it.  It had the numbers matching "MO" engine with the matching VIN.

In hind sight I guess I shouldn't have let it get away.  I later bought a Lemans Blue '68 Z. and only had it for 3 years.  Wonder where it is today?
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« Reply #83 on: June 05, 2014, 07:28:51 PM »

Correct me if I am wrong but it appears Mark is stating that that information applied to TT would be furnished differently based on the plant...

Example... LA produced cars with no stripe would have a - - since they did in fact paint the front ends, BUT Norwood would have standard information? 

No, I'm just stating that GM at Norwood did not use the - on the trim tag to clue them in as to either a special color paint, or a stripe delete, since the paint shop never saw the body tub or the trim tag.  Fisher obviously used the - to designate a special paint instruction on their side of the plant.  If you take the paint code off the tag it forces the lne workers to look at the paperwork for that car.  If the instructions were for a special color they would have to spray it with a hand held gun with a 5 gallon pot, or fill one of the color loops with the special color if the number of cars in the order was large enough to justify that.  If the car was a Z28 and it wasn't supposed to get the rally stripes that info would be in the paperwork as well.  But once the car got to GMs side of the plant, the body tub went one way and the front end sheet metal was painted and striped without the workers ever seeing the car, or the tag.  All of GM's special paint instructions had to be carried on or referenced on the body broadcast sheet.

LA had a common paint shop so all the parts of the car would have been painted together so it doesn't really matter what the instructions said, they would have been carried out by the same group of people.  They obviously need to know about special paint colors and deletion of stripes, but the coordination of actions was carried out differently.
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« Reply #84 on: June 05, 2014, 08:06:51 PM »

No - on the trim tag of my Norwood built Z. (GG) Original owner verified  he ordered the car stripe delete , spoke with the man about 20 years ago who shot the stripes in 69-70. The 2nd owner had it done when he ordered the cowl hood through Milad Chevrolet.
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« Reply #85 on: June 05, 2014, 11:00:30 PM »

As stated before 68 Big Block cars with black tail panels stripe delete cars. I talked to both original owner's who special order the cars without stripe's.  One owner worked for Chevrolet in 1968 stilled owned the car  when I saw the car both had - where the paint code on trim plate. Other car I own the car since 1981 has -1 where the paint code is on the trim tag.  Did title search in my state & got MSO & original Dealer invoice plus all owner's names talked to original he stated to the dealer if it came with a stripe he would not take the car. Other previous owners stated car had no stripe. Further more If you will look at the trim plate section in this group it talks about. It show - being used on trim plate for stripe delete car as they were considered special order cars Do not no about z28's. It is shame that other people have shown you to this link on trim tags but yet you fail to look! Sorry for the long message but if I was not 100% sure what I was talking about I would keep my mouth shut . I have nothing to gain because I hope to never sell my car.    
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« Reply #86 on: June 05, 2014, 11:15:30 PM »

Also both cars where Norwood cars mine Corvette Bronze the other Turquoise both 68 Camaro factory colors.
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« Reply #87 on: June 06, 2014, 05:29:52 PM »

No - on the trim tag of my Norwood built Z. (GG) Original owner verified  he ordered the car stripe delete , spoke with the man about 20 years ago who shot the stripes in 69-70. The 2nd owner had it done when he ordered the cowl hood through Milad Chevrolet.

Ok I hadn't realized your car was stripe delete, that throws a monkey wrench in assumptions.
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« Reply #88 on: June 06, 2014, 06:00:19 PM »

I have a BB stripe delete 67 that has no tag markings at all to reflect such. But I do have notes with dates, names and phone numbers where the factory had been contacted day after car was ordered at dealer.
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« Reply #89 on: June 06, 2014, 08:09:56 PM »

As stated before 68 Big Block cars with black tail panels stripe delete cars. I talked to both original owner's who special order the cars without stripe's.  One owner worked for Chevrolet in 1968 stilled owned the car  when I saw the car both had - where the paint code on trim plate. Other car I own the car since 1981 has -1 where the paint code is on the trim tag.  Did title search in my state & got MSO & original Dealer invoice plus all owner's names talked to original he stated to the dealer if it came with a stripe he would not take the car. Other previous owners stated car had no stripe. Further more If you will look at the trim plate section in this group it talks about. It show - being used on trim plate for stripe delete car as they were considered special order cars Do not no about z28's. It is shame that other people have shown you to this link on trim tags but yet you fail to look! Sorry for the long message but if I was not 100% sure what I was talking about I would keep my mouth shut . I have nothing to gain because I hope to never sell my car.     


I've read the link several times ,and I'm not debating you. Curious myself. And it means little to me seeing as I just had the car re-shot, with stripes, with quite a bit of research involved to replicate the not so perfect factory finish. Just putting out what I know as history on this Z. I have been fortunate enough to have grown up with the car,then taking ownership in 89. It's never left a 10 mile square area other than initial delivery. Pretty well known being the only Ash Gold one around. I've ran into guys who rode in it when they were young, who did work on it and was told the history many times by different sources over the years, at shows, with nothing to gain. Including the original owner, who called me.

I would think some of the info on this site comes from cars like these, and I like to share as I've drawn so much out of it.
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« Reply #90 on: June 06, 2014, 11:38:06 PM »

Personally I love stripeless Z's I think they are the ultimate sleeper, with the flat hood & even moreso if D80 is omitted...
If they weren't behind you with an early 68 you'd have 302 emblems... put a 4.56 M20 in Ashgold sans stripes and it would be brutal at a stoplight, they'd never see it coming.
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« Reply #91 on: June 07, 2014, 06:55:00 AM »

That was the first owner's exact statement Smiley " Ordered it a Plain Jane sleeper"
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« Reply #92 on: June 07, 2014, 07:50:11 PM »

I have been a been a Camaro fan for along time. I try to help people out with question's about the Camaro when I can. I do not know it all that is why I like this group to learn more. I do a lot off research with part's books & assembly manuals. I do not try to offend anybody. But I did a lot off research on my car because I thought it was odd about the - on my cars trim tag when I bought in 1981. I mostly keep out off the conversation unless I now something is wrong. Been in Gm parts since 1986. I really enjoy this sight the people are real good people & that is what this group about helping people with information about the Camaro's 
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« Reply #93 on: June 07, 2014, 07:56:00 PM »

We're all learning, really cool when you learn something new about your car that separates it from the rest of the pack Smiley
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« Reply #94 on: June 10, 2014, 09:17:59 AM »

I know the conventional thinking is that the trim tag was only for Fisher body assembly but maybe there was a reason to have items on the trim tag that were not only for Fisher but also needed for scheduling the main line.

If you look at some of the engine and trans codes and other codes, I don't know if they  were all needed by Fisher.
A good example is the large number of option codes on 1967 Chevelle BAL trim tags.

In the example of the 68 dash no paint code for nose stripe delete cars ........
Fisher did not put on the nose stripe but maybe the trim tag still needed to show a stripe delete Camaro.

A possible reason would be for some of the "scheduling rules" JohnZ  mentions in the research report on the assembly process.

If the special paint and other special order cars need more time or special tracking to meet special parts, process, or something else, that info would need to be considered when they were put into sequence. For example they may have needed to be sequenced together in some cases for assembly efficiency or paint efficiency but in other cases may have needed to be separated because of higher work station cycle/dwell times.

Even though Fisher would not have to know what nose stripe was used or not used, the trim tag may still needed to have the build order info on it for the scheduling.

here are quotes from JohnZ's report on assembly that I am referencing .......

"Scheduling:  There were usually six lines in the schedule bank - one for RS, one for A/C, one for SS and Z/28, and three for high-volume standard cars, so cars could be scheduled without having situations like three A/C's in a row, three consoles in a row, three RS's in a row, etc., as these had higher work content vs. the standard cars and scheduling two or three of them in a row would over-cycle certain line operations. "

 "Releasing:  When the clerk at the end of the body bank selected the next body based on the scheduling "rules" and released it from its line into the main conveyor to the Trim Line, the computer released the "Broadcast" file with the next sequence number, and it was sent to many teletype printers throughout the plant where subassemblies were built and sequenced for delivery to the Main Line to meet up with that particular car. The same computer program also generated the end-of-line paperwork for that car - the price sticker, car shipper, and other internal documents. "
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« Reply #95 on: June 10, 2014, 09:52:54 AM »

I know the conventional thinking is that the trim tag was only for Fisher body assembly but maybe there was a reason to have items on the trim tag that were not only for Fisher but also needed for scheduling the main line.
In the example of the 68 dash no paint code for nose stripe delete cars ........
Fisher did not put on the nose stripe but maybe the trim tag still needed to show a stripe delete Camaro.

A possible reason would be for some of the "scheduling rules" JohnZ  mentions in the research report on the assembly process.

If the special paint and other special order cars need more time or special tracking to meet special parts, process, or something else, that info would need to be considered when they were put into sequence. For example they may have needed to be sequenced together in some cases for assembly efficiency or paint efficiency but in other cases may have needed to be separated because of higher work station cycle/dwell times.

Even though Fisher would not have to know what nose stripe was used or not used, the trim tag may still needed to have the build order info on it for the scheduling.

here are quotes from JohnZ's report on assembly that I am referencing .......

"Scheduling:  There were usually six lines in the schedule bank - one for RS, one for A/C, one for SS and Z/28, and three for high-volume standard cars, so cars could be scheduled without having situations like three A/C's in a row, three consoles in a row, three RS's in a row, etc., as these had higher work content vs. the standard cars and scheduling two or three of them in a row would over-cycle certain line operations. "

 "Releasing:  When the clerk at the end of the body bank selected the next body based on the scheduling "rules" and released it from its line into the main conveyor to the Trim Line, the computer released the "Broadcast" file with the next sequence number, and it was sent to many teletype printers throughout the plant where subassemblies were built and sequenced for delivery to the Main Line to meet up with that particular car. The same computer program also generated the end-of-line paperwork for that car - the price sticker, car shipper, and other internal documents. "


The point not to be missed here is that there were TWO separate organizations doing production scheduling, with two totally different sets of priorities. Chevrolet dictated to Fisher Body which bodies they wanted each day, and Fisher Body had to schedule those units in a manner that best fit their system and scheduling priorities, most of which didn't affect Chevrolet operations.

Once Chevrolet received the bodies from Fisher, the Chevrolet scheduling rules and priorities took over, and that process was managed by the Body Bank operators, releasing units into the Chevrolet assembly system based on proper labor line balance and option workload distribution. Chevrolet didn't need anything from Fisher to understand what each unit required - they already had the dealer order with all the specs for each car, which Chevrolet transmitted to Fisher Body weeks before the body was scheduled to be built.

Each Fisher plant put whatever they wanted to on the cowl tag based on how they managed their own scheduling process, and nobody on the Chevrolet side of the plant cared what was on the tag nor did they ever even look at it - the only item on the cowl tag Chevrolet cared about was the Body Number, which the clerk wrote down at the entry to the Body Bank; that number was the direct link to that car's Chevrolet dealer order, and generated the Chevrolet Body and Chassis Broadcast Copies when the body was released from the bank.
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« Reply #96 on: June 10, 2014, 11:23:01 AM »

So in making sure I have taken all this in and understood properly....the only thing common from start to finish on one car that each dept see is the broadcast sheet. Correct? Fisher works off this as well as GM? So to really know for sure
About deletes such as nose stripes it would be on the broadcast sheet.
Say a z stripe delete might show up on cowl because that would effect what fisher had to do, but nose delete may not because it doesn't concern them?
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« Reply #97 on: June 10, 2014, 03:13:31 PM »

This may be another point if so admin please move to appropriate category.
Referencing Camaro Assembly Process auth -JohnZ
specifically Vin Assignment.

Once Chevrolet received the bodies from Fisher, (1 VIN)the Chevrolet scheduling rules and priorities took over, and that process was managed by the Body Bank operators, releasing units (or 2 VIN) into the Chevrolet assembly system based on proper labor line balance and option workload distribution.

John where exactly was the vin assigned?
1. immediately upon receipt numerically in order from Fisher or
2. after being scheduled and released into Chev Assem based on line balance etc?
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« Reply #98 on: June 10, 2014, 10:14:00 PM »

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Body passed thru the wall, was stamped with the VIN, and then was put in the body bank. VIN and body # were used to generate the broadcast sheets.

Fisher never saw the broadcast sheets. They were generated after the body left Fisher. See the article for details.
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« Reply #99 on: June 11, 2014, 06:05:53 AM »

But Fisher had their own version of a broadcast sheet that told the workers what to add to the car, it was removed from the tub before the body was sent over to Chevrolet.
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« Reply #100 on: June 11, 2014, 08:56:26 AM »

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« Reply #101 on: June 11, 2014, 09:27:31 AM »

So in making sure I have taken all this in and understood properly....the only thing common from start to finish on one car that each dept see is the broadcast sheet. Correct? Fisher works off this as well as GM? So to really know for sure
About deletes such as nose stripes it would be on the broadcast sheet.
Say a z stripe delete might show up on cowl because that would effect what fisher had to do, but nose delete may not because it doesn't concern them?

The Broadcast copy was only seen by Chevrolet - it didn't exist until after the body was delivered by Fisher Body; Fisher had their own internal version, called the UOIT.

Nose stripes didn't affect Fisher, so they weren't on the cowl tag; Z/28 stripes DID affect Fisher.
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« Reply #102 on: June 11, 2014, 10:56:04 AM »

What about in the situation of the door decal stripe of the D90?
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« Reply #103 on: June 11, 2014, 11:58:43 AM »

All done by GM.  Other than color, only D96 stripes,  Z28 stripes, and black tail panel for big blocks would be affected by a special paint order.
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« Reply #104 on: June 12, 2014, 12:39:30 AM »

I just looked on this groups site went to numbers decode then special paint link there is nothing about black tail panel delete! But does talk about stripe delete being special paint car and talks about -codes where paint code should be. Also talked to the original again since this started he said again car was stripe delete but had black tail panel. Cant wait to get finished and put the top done and go for a ride
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« Reply #105 on: June 12, 2014, 06:04:20 AM »

Would assume that the black tail panel delete would not be a common special paint instruction, but if you could delete it Fisher would have to do it.  That instruction would have to be linked to the 4K, 4N code as well as those codes are also associated with the tail panel blackout and the traction arm on the rear axle.
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