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« on: April 19, 2014, 05:48:03 PM »

This is a true survivor and the best one I’ve been personally involved with but first a little history on this incredible Camaro. This NOR built late (09D) November, 1969 Hugger Orange Z/28 with black Houndstooth was purchased new in 1969 at Emrich Chevrolet in Manchester, PA. A good friend of mine purchased the Z/28 from that original owner and I just had the good fortune of tagging along and assisting with documenting both the change in ownership and its originality.  The car has 21,672 original miles and was stored the last 19 plus years in a corner of a downstairs basement under the house. One of two reasons this car is so special IMHO is the car was garaged from day one, and the owner had a 2nd car he used for daily transportation. By the way, he still has that 2nd car, a 1962 Nova.  

 
Inside the door resides a tag stating an oil/lubricant change took place May 11, 1978 with 21, 229 miles. And a receipt verified the same information. Gee, just 443 miles in almost 36 years.


Here the Z/28 is seeing daylight for the first time in over 19 years. Was car covered in the corner stall but still dusty and the tires looked dingy but incredible how it still shined when it finally hit the Sun.

Next up pictures of when it came to its new home!


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« Reply #1 on: April 19, 2014, 05:50:13 PM »

I had to take this picture of the cars reflection at the back of the trailer. I think it’s happy and glowing with the new home. LOL.


Some more overall outside pictures of the car to appreciate its survivor status.




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« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2014, 05:52:36 PM »

Next up some interesting detail items like the original battery. This is the Y77 battery that came in the 09D (sept. 69) Z/28 from new. It has the delco energizer script but in black and has a label stating “recommend replacement with energizer Y77”.


The original Y77 battery is sitting in the Delco box of a replacement Delco Energizer the owner purchased in December, 1974. It has the yellow script but not sticker stating “recommend replacement with energizer Y77”.  Yep, believe it or not the owner had both the first original Y77 battery and the Y77 replacement.



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« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2014, 05:55:29 PM »

Wow Chick, that is amazing. What a find. Thanks for posting! More detailed pictures when and if you can Smiley
Thanks again, you were adding as I was typing.
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« Reply #4 on: April 19, 2014, 06:07:26 PM »

Wow Chick, that is amazing. What a find. Thanks for posting! More detailed pictures when and if you can Smiley
Thanks again, you were adding as I was typing.

Yep lots to come and in the future as well so this is just what was easy up top.
And how many cars have all five original tires? Well this one does! The tires on the car in the pictures are later service replacements but here are some pics of the original tires.



The Tire jack mast in yellow zinc and date code!


One of the five YH rally wheels dated August 4, 1969.


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« Reply #5 on: April 19, 2014, 06:11:37 PM »

Awesome car, truly something special.

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« Reply #6 on: April 19, 2014, 06:20:22 PM »

Awesome car, truly something special.

Jim

Jim you are 100% correct! There just ARE not too many in this category. More to come!
The trunk area is impressive! Left side shock tower cap:



Pulled the trunk mat up!

Looks like it was just installed!

Trunk lid screws as they came from the factory!

Jacking Instructions:

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« Reply #7 on: April 19, 2014, 06:31:06 PM »

Bottom of the air cleaner and air cleaner base hose and elbow!


When Emrich Chevrolet checked the anti-freeze and marked the fan shroud.

Lots of original paperwork including the POP, owners manual & bag, spare key envelope, etc.


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« Reply #8 on: April 19, 2014, 07:03:28 PM »

A beautiful survivor for sure.. Smiley   I hope the new owner plans to enter it and get it judged in the survivor class soon..  maybe in June?? Smiley
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« Reply #9 on: April 19, 2014, 07:10:13 PM »

Chick, very, very nice looking pictures. Exciting to see an original car. Thanks for sharing.

TMR..
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« Reply #10 on: April 19, 2014, 07:21:18 PM »

Oh gosh Chick, that is just incredible! To say the least. That is a car you would never get tired of just studying details and documenting. Thanks for sharing.
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« Reply #11 on: April 19, 2014, 07:54:20 PM »

A beautiful survivor for sure.. Smiley   I hope the new owner plans to enter it and get it judged in the survivor class soon..  maybe in June?? Smiley
For sure it would not be this June due to other commitments Gary! Knew you would like the COLOR.
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« Reply #12 on: April 19, 2014, 07:59:10 PM »

Has both original T3 headlight lamps! No cracks or messed up grille that I can note.


Interior just needs a little loving care and it will look new. Original shifter Ball laying on console!






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« Reply #13 on: April 19, 2014, 08:01:55 PM »

Some chalk writing under the paint (cowl area)!

RC-15 Radiator Cap

Smog equipment and hardware never removed! That is rare!

Radiator Tag!

Correct washer bottle cap and power booster valve!



That's all for now but more to come! I was like a little kid going over this CAMARO.......
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« Reply #14 on: April 19, 2014, 10:07:18 PM »

lets see some pics of the motor!!

(thanks Chick)
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« Reply #15 on: April 19, 2014, 10:09:05 PM »

I can't believe that the plating is still on the booster and MC cap. That is incredible! What a find!
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« Reply #16 on: April 19, 2014, 10:17:51 PM »

Very nice. Other than the tires, did anything else ever get switched off the car? What are the owners plans for it?
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« Reply #17 on: April 19, 2014, 10:34:11 PM »

I just keep going over and over these pictures. Can't wait for more, especially more under the hood. This being a later build date car is going to help me a lot when it comes time to go through the factory correct frame off restoration process with my 07A car. You are the man Chick!
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« Reply #18 on: April 19, 2014, 10:37:09 PM »

A beautiful survivor for sure.. Smiley   I hope the new owner plans to enter it and get it judged in the survivor class soon..  maybe in June?? Smiley
For sure it would not be this June due to other commitments Gary! Knew you would like the COLOR.

I like everything about it... Smiley
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« Reply #19 on: April 19, 2014, 10:40:58 PM »

What a fantastic car! Thanks for sharing it Chick. If you ever get an opportunity, I'd love to see a picture of the rear stripe overspray down into the trunk weatherstrip area, so many 'restored' cars have this area neatly masked off and the ends of the stripes are finished far too abruptly.
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« Reply #20 on: April 20, 2014, 12:27:06 AM »

Survivor? It didn't even survive the factory paint line. It came out H.O. (lol lust kidding it is astounding !!!)
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« Reply #21 on: April 20, 2014, 07:42:04 AM »

Chick can't thank you enough for the great story and pictures. Really an amazing survivor. Can't wait to see more. Did the original owner ever start it in the last 19 years?
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« Reply #22 on: April 20, 2014, 08:35:19 AM »

Beautiful car. Everything about it is truly amazing. What stands out is it just wasn't " toyed" with. Per #1 owner "mods" were made to mine in the parking lot at the dealer. ( pollution control removed, manifolds plugged) By 69 cowl hood was added along with 67 hideaways and RS lower valiance, rear tail lights. Car was always babied, never seen snow ,garage kept. Fact is never was in the rain as of 76. ( I honestly don't know if the wipers work). I have all 5 OE tires ,but 4 were "abused" Even the exhaust which was taken off soon after delivery has surface rust. And it has always been attic stored. 36K on the odometer.

With all that it was sort of overly loved to the point paint was wore off in some areas from so much waxing. Any dings happened in the garage. Passenger side only, , as driver's side usually was against the wall. Hoses ,plug wires long gone.Plenty of semi-gloss black under hood and underneath. Small stone chips on the lower parts of the doors. But believe me ,I'm not complaining.

That 69 Z is truly something special. By the pics, presents as only a few years old. Sure that car wasn't abducted and recently beamed back down ? LOL!! Wonderful post and looking forward to future readings. thanks.
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« Reply #23 on: April 20, 2014, 08:42:35 AM »

Incredible car, thank you for the pictures.
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« Reply #24 on: April 20, 2014, 09:09:45 AM »

Gee-Wizz! Thanks Chick.
Hey, can you ask the owner how much $ to go for a ride? I've never ridden in a 302 Z  Cry. That may certainly be the closest I could get to living a day in 1969.

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« Reply #25 on: April 20, 2014, 09:47:30 AM »

How did his jacking instructions not yellow ? No "spider web" cracking in the stripes ? Top edge of the spoiler flawless. Once again all I can say is wow. I can see were you would be excited going over that car in person.
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« Reply #26 on: April 20, 2014, 10:05:03 AM »

How did his jacking instructions not yellow ? No "spider web" cracking in the stripes ? Top edge of the spoiler flawless. Once again all I can say is wow. I can see were you would be excited going over that car in person.

I agree with Janobyte... the entire car is outstandingly preserved, but the 'freshness' of the jacking instructions didn't look *realistic* to me...  Is there some chance that sheet was replaced over the years??  I'd think like Janobyte, it would be yellowed or stained.. or something..  even if the trunk remained closed all these years (evidenced by the slight 'rust color' stains at places in the trunk floor, etc)..?
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« Reply #27 on: April 20, 2014, 10:41:07 AM »

By no means am I questioning, just adoring. Mine yellowed and pulled away around the edges. Keep in mind the car did do a little time in the burnout box. I had the underneath of the deck lid and hinges  left untouched. It's flawless and retains the jack , and small air shock? stickers. No surface rust in my trunk. Those pesky mildew spots in the interior look familiar from leaving the windows up year after year. I found fogging it with Lysol (fresh linen scent !) a few times a year prevented it. I would imagine some sort of moisture wick might also do the trick.
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« Reply #28 on: April 20, 2014, 10:48:07 AM »

The car basically sat entombed , even wiping the interior down on occasion--they would reappear. And still the flaws over the years.
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« Reply #29 on: April 20, 2014, 10:55:51 AM »

Nothing looks out of place, just a stunningly well preserved car. Congrats to the new owner and another car that can be used as a benchmark. Look forward to examining the car...
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« Reply #30 on: April 20, 2014, 10:59:10 AM »

Survivor? It didn't even survive the factory paint line. It came out H.O. (lol lust kidding it is astounding !!!)

I agree - must be a conspiracy.

Unreal find -
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« Reply #31 on: April 20, 2014, 11:14:15 AM »

In regards to the jacking instructions decal, the thing that caught my eye immediately was the shrinkage line along the top edge (due to file size limit I had to shrink this down a lot so it is harder to see the line). Paper will shrink with age depending on humidity (one factor) and is also one cause for the bubbles.
This leads me to believe that the sticker on the 69 is possibly original. Most people don't know about shrinkage lines and usually a new sticker will cover it up because it is larger (no shrinkage).
I put a side-side comparison of my 67 04B LOS with original trunk decal and this 69 09D NOR. You can see the shrinkage lines on both though the 69 I can only make out the top line. Plus, don't forget a camera white balance will impact the color hue accuracy quite a bit especially with shades (white and blacks). Most point and shoot cameras have inaccurate white balances so it may be a fine line between light yellow and white when viewed.

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« Reply #32 on: April 20, 2014, 11:19:19 AM »

I said, alien abduction, somewhere they are cloning the ultimate vehicle as we speak Cheesy

Got to add ,nice to see this car is in good hands. Hope it doesn't hit the red carpet and get crated up overseas. This one needs to be on display for all who know about them to enjoy. Captures a time long gone by.
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« Reply #33 on: April 20, 2014, 12:35:54 PM »

I was lucky enough to ride in a friend's '69 Z when it was one day old. This wouldn't be much different. fabulous find!!
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« Reply #34 on: April 20, 2014, 02:12:44 PM »

Steve, I bet you can't wait to have it at your show! What a nice example of a car that happen to benefit from just the right circumstances.
It is funny to me how many people set out to preserve a car back in the day, and how only a small handful actually came out the other side in nice condition. I remember a few years back there was a raffle for a like 50's plymouth/chrysler that was entombed when brand new in a cinderblock mausoleum, and then at the 50 year anniversary of the town they were going to announce the winner who would have entered the raffle when the car was locked away new. Well long story short, the cinder block tomb only trapped moisture inside and the car that was suppose to have been  well preserved looked like it had been buried in a river.
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« Reply #35 on: April 20, 2014, 02:58:40 PM »

Steve, I bet you can't wait to have it at your show! What a nice example of a car that happen to benefit from just the right circumstances.
It is funny to me how many people set out to preserve a car back in the day, and how only a small handful actually came out the other side in nice condition. I remember a few years back there was a raffle for a like 50's plymouth/chrysler that was entombed when brand new in a cinderblock mausoleum, and then at the 50 year anniversary of the town they were going to announce the winner who would have entered the raffle when the car was locked away new. Well long story short, the cinder block tomb only trapped moisture inside and the car that was suppose to have been  well preserved looked like it had been buried in a river.


I remember that one - greatly disappointed a lot of people, including me. I can't remember what magazine it was featured in (or at least showed the pics of the rusted hulk).
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« Reply #36 on: April 20, 2014, 03:08:20 PM »

Steve, I bet you can't wait to have it at your show! What a nice example of a car that happen to benefit from just the right circumstances.
It is funny to me how many people set out to preserve a car back in the day, and how only a small handful actually came out the other side in nice condition. I remember a few years back there was a raffle for a like 50's plymouth/chrysler that was entombed when brand new in a cinderblock mausoleum, and then at the 50 year anniversary of the town they were going to announce the winner who would have entered the raffle when the car was locked away new. Well long story short, the cinder block tomb only trapped moisture inside and the car that was suppose to have been  well preserved looked like it had been buried in a river.


I remember that one - greatly disappointed a lot of people, including me. I can't remember what magazine it was featured in (or at least showed the pics of the rusted hulk).

The story, and the 'before and after' photos were everywhere back when they opened up the *underground* vault (which had filled with water and mud over the 50 yrs it was 'buried')..  There was a recent revisit of the story by Hemmings, in which it said a lot of money had been spent attempting to clean the car, but that it was basically scrap .. even the frame was rusted down and the sheet metal was like foil...  Sad    (Another fine example of what our 'politicians' can do for us..  ie.  Tulsa city leaders were responsible for the 'time vault'...
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« Reply #37 on: April 20, 2014, 03:38:32 PM »

What a fantastic car! Thanks for sharing it Chick. If you ever get an opportunity, I'd love to see a picture of the rear stripe overspray down into the trunk weatherstrip area, so many 'restored' cars have this area neatly masked off and the ends of the stripes are finished far too abruptly.
Here you go Tim! These are what I'd say were pretty nice work from the factory. Steve has looked at many more than me but both the front and rear are fairly neat.
This serve what you asked for?




And a little side bonus, the orange colored crayon mark on the trunk W/S.  Located 2/3 of the length in from the left side top section or close to the inside of the right side racing stripe.

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« Reply #38 on: April 20, 2014, 03:52:24 PM »

In regards to the jacking instructions decal, the thing that caught my eye immediately was the shrinkage line along the top edge (due to file size limit I had to shrink this down a lot so it is harder to see the line). Paper will shrink with age depending on humidity (one factor) and is also one cause for the bubbles.
This leads me to believe that the sticker on the 69 is possibly original. Most people don't know about shrinkage lines and usually a new sticker will cover it up because it is larger (no shrinkage).
I put a side-side comparison of my 67 04B LOS with original trunk decal and this 69 09D NOR. You can see the shrinkage lines on both though the 69 I can only make out the top line. Plus, don't forget a camera white balance will impact the color hue accuracy quite a bit especially with shades (white and blacks). Most point and shoot cameras have inaccurate white balances so it may be a fine line between light yellow and white when viewed.

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Good observation Mike! Let me explain to everyone just how the car was stored which can explain IMO just how and why the car stayed as nice as it did. This car was stored for most of its life not just in a garage but in the full basement of a house where the furnace and water heater resided. Its just different with that type of storage vs. a attached garage not insulated, etc... Wish all of you could see just how incredible this car is. I told my friend and his wife, there's only one thing better than this and when they said what, I came back with "If I owned it!" LOL
Appreciate all the thank you notes but the new owner deserves them as well as he wanted to share this survivor and I'm just assisting.  And liking it also! Smiley  Give me time but will work to answer your questions.
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« Reply #39 on: April 20, 2014, 04:03:15 PM »

Very nice. Other than the tires, did anything else ever get switched off the car? What are the owners plans for it?
Not much was off the car and he added just about zero. Only thing I noted added was a fuel filter but the rubber line is original and someone (we think the dealership) just pulled the line off the hard line, stuck it on the end of the original rubber fuel line, added a piece of rubber line to other end of the filter and stuck it back on the 3/8" metal line. Super easy to remove and everything is original. "What are the owners plans for it?" It's found a new home for a very long time!
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« Reply #40 on: April 20, 2014, 04:16:30 PM »

Chick can't thank you enough for the great story and pictures. Really an amazing survivor. Can't wait to see more. Did the original owner ever start it in the last 19 years?
Hi George, no, the owner did not start the car up. Reason, since it was stored in the basement under the house he said if he started it, it stuck up the house with fumes which I can understand.  Remember back in the day when I sprayed paint in the attached garage and the fumes came in. Whew, my dear wife was not a happy camper. Oh the memories! OK, back to this car! We know the old gas will have to be removed and some before firing preparation. The oil on the dipstick looked almost new......
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« Reply #41 on: April 20, 2014, 04:26:17 PM »

How did his jacking instructions not yellow ? No "spider web" cracking in the stripes ? Top edge of the spoiler flawless. Once again all I can say is wow. I can see were you would be excited going over that car in person.
Yep, its been a joy and wish all of you could participate in looking it over as we have and will continue. Guess we will try to be your eyes....... Smiley
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« Reply #42 on: April 20, 2014, 06:44:05 PM »

How did his jacking instructions not yellow ? No "spider web" cracking in the stripes ? Top edge of the spoiler flawless. Once again all I can say is wow. I can see were you would be excited going over that car in person.
Yep, its been a joy and wish all of you could participate in looking it over as we have and will continue. Guess we will try to be your eyes....... Smiley
Chick, I am thinking that you could provide a series, say each week (later to be offered on a DVD for one's library) that could highlight components and areas of the car. This would be an incredible restoration tool and valued documentation. How many pristine examples of 69 Z's exist? JohnZ's car and that one with, like, 2000 miles on it?
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« Reply #43 on: April 20, 2014, 06:48:58 PM »

Chick, are the tags on the coil springs and rear leafs still intact ? mine had only one coil spring tag but was so badly deteriorated I couldn't read it and it was too far gone to even make out. What a nice find, would be a nice car for Jerry M to look at for posterity Smiley
 
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« Reply #44 on: April 20, 2014, 07:21:49 PM »

Chick, are the tags on the coil springs and rear leafs still intact ? mine had only one coil spring tag but was so badly deteriorated I couldn't read it and it was too far gone to even make out. What a nice find, would be a nice car for Jerry M to look at for posterity Smiley
 

Eldon, have spent very little time looking underneath except for general inspection so cannot answer at this time but can when its on the lift.
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« Reply #45 on: April 20, 2014, 07:31:59 PM »

Chick, thank you very much for posting the rear stripe pictures! It does seem to be a neater masking job along the bottom edge than perhaps I expected, but the way the paint coverage reduces further into the weatherstrip channel on the pinstripe (your first picture) is exactly what I was looking for; perhaps by this late stage of NOR production, they had refined the optimum masking technique.
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« Reply #46 on: April 20, 2014, 11:35:45 PM »

Awesome car, thanks for sharing.  This can be very helpful to many.
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« Reply #47 on: April 21, 2014, 03:15:19 PM »

great information. Is the hurst T-hanlde also original to the car,or was it installed by dealer or owner?
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« Reply #48 on: April 21, 2014, 03:25:22 PM »

great information. Is the hurst T-hanlde also original to the car,or was it installed by dealer or owner?




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« Reply #49 on: April 21, 2014, 04:30:57 PM »

Nice work Chick, would love to see more detailed photos of this important find (and who better to take them!).  Thought it was interesting to see the cowl air cleaner is a ridged bottom version.  There has been much debate if any of the ridged bottom actually made it into late production cars (vs service part) or if they were all flat bottomed.  I think this benchmark car provides some clarity. 
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« Reply #50 on: April 21, 2014, 05:48:08 PM »

Looks like the original chrome shift ball sitting on the console.
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« Reply #51 on: April 21, 2014, 07:47:22 PM »

Nice work Chick, would love to see more detailed photos of this important find (and who better to take them!).  Thought it was interesting to see the cowl air cleaner is a ridged bottom version.  There has been much debate if any of the ridged bottom actually made it into late production cars (vs service part) or if they were all flat bottomed.  I think this benchmark car provides some clarity. 
Agree 100% except for the "who better to take them"...... Smiley Car is a true benchmark IMHO....
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« Reply #52 on: April 21, 2014, 07:48:54 PM »

Looks like the original chrome shift ball sitting on the console.
Yep, as I had mentioned in an earlier post the original shifter ball was there. It will be put back on!
OK, have some engine pics to post soon!
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« Reply #53 on: April 21, 2014, 10:17:25 PM »

Gorgeous car. What a neat deal to get to be a part of Chick
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« Reply #54 on: April 21, 2014, 10:53:01 PM »

Nice work Chick, would love to see more detailed photos of this important find (and who better to take them!).  Thought it was interesting to see the cowl air cleaner is a ridged bottom version.  There has been much debate if any of the ridged bottom actually made it into late production cars (vs service part) or if they were all flat bottomed.  I think this benchmark c

Unless I've missed some proof that the cowl induction system was factory original on this car, that is an assumption re the 'ridged bottom'...  Just as the owner installed the Hurst shifter knob, he might have also installed the hood..  unless we have *proof* that it was factory original?   I haven't yet seen such proof...?
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« Reply #55 on: April 21, 2014, 11:07:25 PM »

Nice work Chick, would love to see more detailed photos of this important find (and who better to take them!).  Thought it was interesting to see the cowl air cleaner is a ridged bottom version.  There has been much debate if any of the ridged bottom actually made it into late production cars (vs service part) or if they were all flat bottomed.  I think this benchmark

Unless I've missed some proof that the cowl induction system was factory original on this car, that is an assumption re the 'ridged bottom'...  Just as the owner installed the Hurst shifter knob, he might have also installed the hood..  unless we have *proof* that it was factory original?   I haven't yet seen such proof...?

If the hood has a production date stamped in the rear driver side , then chances are it's a ZL2 car. I believe it to be real, Nice looking car. Kudos to your friend Chick!
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« Reply #56 on: April 21, 2014, 11:25:09 PM »

I saw the pop, but was there any dealer invoice or any other docs that might show the factory options on this car?
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« Reply #57 on: April 22, 2014, 06:32:47 AM »

Nice work Chick, would love to see more detailed photos of this important find (and who better to take them!).  Thought it was interesting to see the cowl air cleaner is a ridged bottom version.  There has been much debate if any of the ridged bottom actually made it into late production cars (vs service part) or if they were all flat bottomed.  I think this benchmark c

Unless I've missed some proof that the cowl induction system was factory original on this car, that is an assumption re the 'ridged bottom'...  Just as the owner installed the Hurst shifter knob, he might have also installed the hood..  unless we have *proof* that it was factory original?   I haven't yet seen such proof...?

I really debated whether or not to even comment on your response Gary and will only state not sure how a shift knob change relates to a hood/air cleaner change but it does relate to how the owner kept everything. Think about it, he kept the original shift knob, battery & even the 2nd one, all 5 tires, etc. Major items like the smog set up never removed, same owner since new, etc.. The last thing I want to get into is debating about "he might have also installed the hood.. unless we have proof that it was factory original?" Have a great day!
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« Reply #58 on: April 22, 2014, 07:30:30 AM »

Chick,  it's a GREAT car..  there's absolutely no doubt!  I'm sorry you took offense to my post, but it had nothing to do with the quality of the car!  The fact that the owner changed the shift knob only points out that HE like 99% of Z28 owners was open minded about putting something he liked better on the car?   Did the owner special order the car?  Did he buy it off the lot?  Is there original sales paperwork?  Is there a date code on the hood?   If any of this has been posted previously, then I apologize for I hadn't seen it...

The ONLY point to my post was that Edgemont made a conclusion about a 'ridged bottom' aircleaner (which there HAS been a tremendous amount of debate over for years) based on it being on this super car, WITHOUT a single previous post being made about the hood or it's originality to the car!  that's it.   As rgt said, if the hood has the date code on it consistent with the car, and nothing else is 'out of place' re the ZL2 option, then I too would agree that the air cleaner is LIKELY the original one for that car...    that's it.

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« Reply #59 on: April 22, 2014, 07:57:13 AM »

Chick I was going to comment on that as well. How you can relate a shift knob change to a hood replacement is well beyond a real stretch. (BTW as noted the original shift knob was clearly visible in the photo). The orig owner kept just about every part he ever replaced including the original tires. Now look at the facts presented from the pictures regarding the hood; orig hood insulation, original solenoid(assembly line correct), cowl wiring looks original with correct strain reliefs. From what I can see the entire car looks like a time capsule. Also I have documented several late car with the ridged bottom cowl air cleaner so to me there is no debate. Remember the 70 Chevelle SS was also in production at the time this car was produced and could be optioned with the same air cleaner. I believe all 70 chevelles that were equipped with cowm air cleaner have been documented with the ridged bottom.

To throw far fetched theories out there without any evidence or research serves no purpose and does a disservice to this benchmark car. The more I see of this car, the more excited I am to have an opportunity to Vintage Certify it in the future. The car has a great caretaker who will share the car with all of us. A lot of lessens can be learned from the pictures provided.
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« Reply #60 on: April 22, 2014, 08:08:32 AM »

Chick, I'm not sure if anyone else here has asked you to do this yet but please give a big THANK YOU! to your friend (the new lucky owner) for his support in allowing you to share this unbelievable find with us here on CRG. Very excited to see more picture and details as your time allows.
Have a good day!
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« Reply #61 on: April 22, 2014, 08:33:21 AM »

Chick,
He finally got it! Good for him and a nice one at that. Can you answer me the following three questions or I can notify him personally and view the car if need be.
1. Are the door strikers allen head or torx
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« Reply #62 on: April 22, 2014, 08:59:44 AM »

Yup, as stated above, #1 and #2 owner also kept everything they took off the Z. When #1 got in touch with me about 6 years ago, he had JUST gotten rid of the pollution control set up, which had been up in his parent's garage from around May/June 68.He actually apologized ,but his intentions were to buy the car back, so he was being nice.

You can safely deduce : Why would someone keep old tires and a battery while getting rid of a hood Huh

I hate to admit, but shy of the shocks and battery ,the few items missing for this one has been my own fault over the years due to moves, storage when building the house ,parts "intermingling" etc..and how many really gave much thought to keeping old hoses, belts ,plugs etc...at the time I got it, was not even considered a classic. LOL.

IMO this HO 69 should define survivor--beautiful, well cared for, un-molested. No state of disrepair what so ever. I wouldn't even take a hose to the body--hand wash ,Simple green to the engine...period.

Even though my car (and some may gasp ) retained over 90 % of it's original paint ,presented well--- you can argue it should not have been touched ,I thought it needed it, my bar's set high and I own it.

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« Reply #63 on: April 22, 2014, 08:24:39 PM »

Chick, I'm not sure if anyone else here has asked you to do this yet but please give a big THANK YOU! to your friend (the new lucky owner) for his support in allowing you to share this unbelievable find with us here on CRG. Very excited to see more picture and details as your time allows.
Have a good day!
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Will do Len and know he will appreciate that. Thanks!
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« Reply #64 on: April 22, 2014, 08:27:44 PM »

Chick,
He finally got it! Good for him and a nice one at that. Can you answer me the following three questions or I can notify him personally and view the car if need be.
1. Are the door strikers allen head or torx
2. Does it have the higher RPM Tach or standard 6-8 Tach
3. The exhaust bracket on the left frame rail. Does it have the two knotches "one on the top and one on the bottom" or does it go straight across. Thanxs Dave
Not sure Dave on your question 1 & 3 but the tach was the std. 6-8 version. Will check out the other stuff when we go over the car some more which will be a little while since Carlisle is here.
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« Reply #65 on: April 22, 2014, 08:42:41 PM »

OK, I promised some engine pics so here you go!


Silver looking paint on lift hook and manifold bolts appear to be phosphate (show no signs of clear zinc)





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« Reply #66 on: April 22, 2014, 08:47:30 PM »

I can't tell in the pic, but does this car have the bracket that holds the vacuum line?
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« Reply #67 on: April 22, 2014, 09:22:23 PM »

I can't tell in the pic, but does this car have the bracket that holds the vacuum line?
Yes it does as we looked for that when we had the air cleaner off.
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« Reply #68 on: April 22, 2014, 10:03:58 PM »

Chick, I noticed that this car had the left side motor restraint cable assembly installed. You see them on some cars, but not all...I guess these were some of the first things to be removed when they got in the way.

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« Reply #69 on: April 22, 2014, 10:21:31 PM »

Chick, I noticed that this car had the left side motor restraint cable assembly installed. You see them on some cars, but not all...I guess these were some of the first things to be removed when they got in the way.

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Eddie I believe that was a major recall in 1971 and some remained and many were taken off. Some maybe were taken off due to having mount changes also. Hard to believe back then the recall ID Number 7IV235000 impacted over 6 and a half million cars.
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« Reply #70 on: April 22, 2014, 10:25:34 PM »

Awesome! May have missed it, but does this late-build car have the carb stud fuel line clip/bracket?
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« Reply #71 on: April 23, 2014, 02:00:14 AM »

Chick, Does it have the 4 clip trim rings? or the Serated/finger type?
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« Reply #72 on: April 23, 2014, 05:20:21 AM »

Awesome! May have missed it, but does this late-build car have the carb stud fuel line clip/bracket?
Tim, I'm fairly certain it did not as I have no recollection of seeing it and would think I would have noticed if it was there but will need to look next time just to make sure 100%.
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« Reply #73 on: April 23, 2014, 05:22:54 AM »

Chick, Does it have the 4 clip trim rings? or the Serated/finger type?
I looked at the two on the left side of the car Mike and they both were the serrated finger type.
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« Reply #74 on: April 23, 2014, 09:52:08 AM »

Love this stuff, really liking the engine detail shots please keep em coming!
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« Reply #75 on: April 23, 2014, 11:35:58 AM »

Good timing for me seeing as the car isn't shot yet. Under hood detail as I remember...black. And the details my paint guy is looking for : overspray and stripes into the upper valiance.
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« Reply #76 on: April 23, 2014, 01:29:56 PM »

Chick, Does it have the 4 clip trim rings? or the Serrated/finger type?
I looked at the two on the left side of the car Mike and they both were the serrated finger type.

Thanks Chick, That goes along with the possability of later production finger type replacing the 4 clip style. My 06A has clips BTW.

Looking at the picture of the engine compartment you can see the original GM Decal on the side of the air cleaner, I'm pretty sure it is original, a buddy has a 20,000 mile 10B 69 Z28 and it has the cowl air cleaner with the grooved or ridged bottom.

No doubt in my mind it is a original ZL2 car, as the cowl solenoid and wiring are exactly the same as my car.

Thanks for posting the pictures, what a Time Capsule!!!!
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« Reply #77 on: April 23, 2014, 04:46:33 PM »

Nice car, Does the battery hold down clamp have the 2 dimples on the top lip.
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« Reply #78 on: April 23, 2014, 06:06:25 PM »

Nice car, Does the battery hold down clamp have the 2 dimples on the top lip.
All original battery hold down clamps I believe to had the two dimples and yes this Z/28 has the that type of two dimple battery hold down clamp. Actually a hard item to locate! This is one of mine but the type of two dimple clamp we are referring to.
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« Reply #79 on: April 23, 2014, 08:49:39 PM »

I vote chick makes us a cd! Thanks for the pictures
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« Reply #80 on: April 23, 2014, 11:18:54 PM »

I second the motion, I`ll even buy him a spindle of 100 for us
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« Reply #81 on: April 25, 2014, 10:10:21 AM »

Wow! Awesome find and unreal car. Thanks for sharing Chick. One of the finest examples I have seen to date.
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« Reply #82 on: April 27, 2014, 05:25:41 PM »

Chick,
He finally got it! Good for him and a nice one at that. Can you answer me the following three questions or I can notify him personally and view the car if need be.
1. Are the door strikers allen head or torx
2. Does it have the higher RPM Tach or standard 6-8 Tach
3. The exhaust bracket on the left frame rail. Does it have the two knotches "one on the top and one on the bottom" or does it go straight across. Thanxs Dave


Dave, my 9a has the torx head strikers and the frame rail exhaust bracket has no notches. My tach is an anomaly, as its a 6-7 (l78 tach) . I haven't a clue why that is, and will check for an inspection date.
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« Reply #83 on: April 27, 2014, 08:14:09 PM »

Thanxs Steve for the response. Dave
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« Reply #84 on: May 05, 2014, 07:40:19 AM »

any more engine pics- carb? underneath? looks like Charley's 70z with little more wear and tear
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« Reply #85 on: May 11, 2014, 06:57:43 PM »

any more engine pics- carb? underneath? looks like Charley's 70z with little more wear and tear

Yea, Charley's 70Z was incredible with the original spark plugs, oil filter, etc...... No, no more pics at this moment as the car is put away as other commitments are needed to be completed but hopefully in the future we can share more.
I would like to share this as it coincides with some questions brought up earlier in this thread concerning the ridged air cleaner base. Recently I reviewed with a good friend a late 10C local Ammon R Smith car and the owner has the original window sticker. His air cleaner base has the ridge. Know several have documented this but wanted to share as well. I did not want to show the portion of the window sticker with the vin but you can see the options and cost at that point. Wish I could buy them for that now. The car is an excellent example with a re-paint many moons ago and just to know is NOT for sale. We were just checking things out.
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« Reply #86 on: May 16, 2014, 11:30:27 AM »


               
                     looking at pictures of amazing 69 z/28 surviver (wow) _ I see lifting lugs (painted silver) and safety cables_
     were these factory installed or dealer on a 9a car_also the left spark plug wire tower with 2 bends was this on all 69 z/28
     or just those with a cowl air cleaner.
      I have a 9a_never been out of family_went thru. brier patch in early years_finnaly getting it put back together_
      have original sales slip 4149.20 dollars. need to gather up some lost items.



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« Reply #87 on: May 17, 2014, 10:47:43 AM »


               
                     looking at pictures of amazing 69 z/28 surviver (wow) _ I see lifting lugs (painted silver) and safety cables_
     were these factory installed or dealer on a 9a car

The motormount recall was announced in March, 1972, 2-1/2 years after 1st-Gen production had stopped; the restraint cables were dealer-installled as part of the recall fix.
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« Reply #88 on: May 17, 2014, 11:11:48 AM »



                     thanks john.
                       
                                      I guess if it was a recall it wouldnt be original.
                                       any info on lifting lugs and left wire tower would appreciate.
                                       
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                     thanks john.
                       
                                      I guess if it was a recall it wouldnt be original.
                                       any info on lifting lugs and left wire tower would appreciate.
                                       
                                                                                69 olympic gold z
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The lifting lugs as you call them were installed at the factory and yes, the rear spark plug tower does have two bends.  Sounds like you have a neat car iceman!
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« Reply #90 on: May 19, 2014, 03:20:07 PM »

             

                                   thanks Chick

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« Reply #91 on: August 26, 2014, 06:33:55 AM »

Thought I'd add a few more pictures of discoveries on the car that were not shown prior. The sub-frame has a stenciled date of September 1969 along with a crayon mark.


The gas line support:


The console oil line fitting off the rear of the block:


Vac hose for distributor going into carb has white stripe:


Pictures of how the white was painted in the cowl area:


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« Reply #92 on: August 26, 2014, 11:34:35 PM »

Chick, Thank you for those new photo's.  The carb studs were an item that I've been wanting to compare from this car.  The studs with the undercut at the top seem to be original across the board and very very hard to find.  Some of the more advanced vendors do not have these studs.  I have these same studs in my intake, and know of a few more cars that have them, but many have the replacement type.  I was wondering how rare these studs actually are, or not.

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« Reply #93 on: August 27, 2014, 07:34:58 AM »

Great Pictures! Thanks for posting.

A couple things I would like to point out. The first is the ribbed PCV hose with the Black flat ended spring clamp, no clamp on the PCV valve which was probably changed out years ago. There was a post about this hose awhile ago.

Next is the Y fuel block that looks to be steel? Will a magnet stick to it? Mine is brass.

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« Reply #94 on: August 27, 2014, 09:21:52 AM »

good eye, I assume the ribbed hose is original?
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« Reply #95 on: August 27, 2014, 10:14:59 AM »

Great Pictures! Thanks for posting.

A couple things I would like to point out. The first is the ribbed PCV hose with the Black flat ended spring clamp, no clamp on the PCV valve which was probably changed out years ago. There was a post about this hose awhile ago.

Next is the Y fuel block that looks to be steel? Will a magnet stick to it? Mine is brass.

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Umm, I thought every survivor I've looked at has the black phosphate flat ended spring clamp so where did you find or learn that? I just went thru my pic file and everyone has it including JohnZ's 69 Z, and Jerry McNeish's 68Z survivor. On the hose, many of the originals had some type of ribbing and what I've noticed is later service replacements do not. One can still purchase the PCV hose from GM but its smooth. What post are you referring to? The fuel block does have the look of aluminum but is non-magnetic and I assume it to be brass with a coating as I have an original cross-ram fuel block that looks exactly the same but is heavy and in the threads you can see its brass. If you go to my build thread & post 838 I have a picture that was supplied by Jon Mello showing a 68Z motor coming off the dress line (assumption) and the pcv hose has the clamp. http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=182584&page=56
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« Reply #96 on: August 27, 2014, 10:25:19 AM »

Great Pictures! Thanks for posting.

A couple things I would like to point out. The first is the ribbed PCV hose with the Black flat ended spring clamp, no clamp on the PCV valve which was probably changed out years ago. There was a post about this hose awhile ago.

Next is the Y fuel block that looks to be steel? Will a magnet stick to it? Mine is brass.

Mike
Mike here is a picture of an original cross-ram fuel block and it looks steel or more like aluminum but its some type of coating over the brass. At the bottom of the threads you can see the brass as this fuel block had been used at Bill Jenkins shop. I can only assume that the late 69Z has a similar or same coating as again, it is non-magnetic as we checked!
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« Reply #97 on: August 27, 2014, 10:26:07 AM »

Go to your Assembly Manual, section Z28, sheet A5, item #6 PCV hose - it says "prod. clamp" at both ends. That refers to the standard V-8 in UPC 6, sheet C8, item #8, which is the black spring clamp, used at both ends of the PCV hose. The clamp is correct - no clamp is not.
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« Reply #98 on: August 27, 2014, 11:29:15 AM »

Chick,

You can learn a lot going through Legends Judging... I had seen the ribbed hose in several pictures of low mileage original cars. If you use the still available hose from GM wipe off the inkjet part numbers first. No inkjet printers in 1969. I found one at http://www.newyorkrestomod.com/default.asp but I don't see it on their website now.

The square cut clamps ends are made differently now and have rounded ends, I have heard a small grinder can change that. The one in the picture looks like it was painted Black as there is a small section flaked off.

I wonder what finish would be on a NOS fuel Y block?

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« Reply #99 on: August 27, 2014, 11:51:26 AM »

Chick,

You can learn a lot going through Legends Judging... I had seen the ribbed hose in several pictures of low mileage original cars. If you use the still available hose from GM wipe off the inkjet part numbers first. No inkjet printers in 1969. I found one at http://www.newyorkrestomod.com/default.asp but I don't see it on their website now.

The square cut clamps ends are made differently now and have rounded ends, I have heard a small grinder can change that. The one in the picture looks like it was painted Black as there is a small section flaked off.

I wonder what finish would be on a NOS fuel Y block?

Mike
 
I think most here Mike know about the correct squared off spring clamps that also applies to the gas line clamps that are a kind of olive green color. NCRS is where I first heard of changing the repro's that are round to squared off years ago but they are still catchable IMO since the ears become too short. The clamp in my opinion was not painted black but has a small section that is rusting causing a type of flaking. Looking at this car I'm confident the carb was never off the car and is quite a specimen for reviews.
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« Reply #100 on: August 27, 2014, 12:16:14 PM »

Spare with 27 marked inside rim.


This I always found interesting that the 69 had such a different trunk lid bumper compared to the 67 & 68. This is one of the originals off the car and quick story. We knew the left side deck lid bumper was missing when the car was first looked at way back when. Not too long ago we were looking at the car and the trunk mat and in the crevice of the left side of the trunk the owner/friend while I'm standing beside him says can you believe this and picks up an original trunk lid bumper. What was interesting was the hole in the lid where it goes seemed to indicate if there was one there at one time it was not for too long. We believe possibly it was put in but not correctly, fell in the trunk corner crevice, and been there since the car was built. Just one of those things you find interesting.



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« Reply #101 on: August 27, 2014, 12:39:06 PM »

Spare with 27 marked inside rim.


This I always found interesting that the 69 had such a different trunk lid bumper compared to the 67 & 68. This is one of the originals off the car and quick story. We knew the left side deck lid bumper was missing when the car was first looked at way back when. Not too long ago we were looking at the car and the trunk mat and in the crevice of the left side of the trunk the owner/friend while I'm standing beside him says can you believe this and picks up an original trunk lid bumper. What was interesting was the hole in the lid where it goes seemed to indicate if there was one there at one time it was not for too long. We believe possibly it was put in but not correctly, fell in the trunk corner crevice, and been there since the car was built. Just one of those things you find interesting.



Labels on the rear hubs.


Different trunk lid bumper for 67 68 ? My late 67 has the same type.
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« Reply #102 on: August 27, 2014, 12:52:05 PM »


This I always found interesting that the 69 had such a different trunk lid bumper compared to the 67 & 68. This is one of the originals off the car and quick story. We knew the left side deck lid bumper was missing when the car was first looked at way back when. Not too long ago we were looking at the car and the trunk mat and in the crevice of the left side of the trunk the owner/friend while I'm standing beside him says can you believe this and picks up an original trunk lid bumper. What was interesting was the hole in the lid where it goes seemed to indicate if there was one there at one time it was not for too long. We believe possibly it was put in but not correctly, fell in the trunk corner crevice, and been there since the car was built. Just one of those things you find interesting.





Different trunk lid bumper for 67 68 ? My late 67 has the same type.
Originals I have looked at were a thicker and more squared off where the outside diameter met the face. Here is an example from a 68Z and our 68 was the same. Just my observation over the years between different years.
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« Reply #103 on: August 27, 2014, 12:56:05 PM »

Steve, you remember this thread? It dealt with different deck lid bumpers with pictures.
http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=7160.0
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« Reply #104 on: August 27, 2014, 02:35:42 PM »

Steve, you remember this thread? It dealt with different deck lid bumpers with pictures.
http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=7160.0

I'm getting old, Cant remember stuff. Thank you for the pics. and link.
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« Reply #105 on: August 27, 2014, 10:06:25 PM »

Chick, Thank you for those new photo's.  The carb studs were an item that I've been wanting to compare from this car.  The studs with the undercut at the top seem to be original across the board and very very hard to find.  Some of the more advanced vendors do not have these studs.  I have these same studs in my intake, and know of a few more cars that have them, but many have the replacement type.  I was wondering how rare these studs actually are, or not.

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Bryan,  your comment would be more meaningful if you could post a comparison pix between the original 'undercut' top type of stud, along with the reproduction you are referring to..  that would show the difference(s)...?
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« Reply #106 on: September 02, 2014, 05:22:25 PM »

Chick,
Would it be possible to get detailed pics of the Master Cylinder Lid / Wording and Vent holes. Thanxs Dave
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« Reply #107 on: September 20, 2014, 07:22:01 AM »

Chick,
Would it be possible to get detailed pics of the Master Cylinder Lid / Wording and Vent holes. Thanxs Dave
Sorry it took so long Dave as I was on vacation and then took some time to get back up for a picture but here you go!
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68 Z/28 NOR 01B Orig motor/trans/rear
69 Z/28 NOR 07A Orig Block & GM Cross-ram/carbs
69 L34 Rest. Nova Father/Son Car
69 L78 Surv Nova Purch 4/69 31K miles
67 L89 Corv Tribute
68 Corv 427/400 Orig motor
07 Corv Z06
R 68Z build- http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=182584
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« Reply #108 on: September 22, 2014, 08:43:36 AM »

Thanxs Chick for the response and I don't care that it took some time I'm just glad that you could accomadate me. I know that you're a busy man and things in life pop up. 

Do you have any pics of his shifter body / date. I've been trying to keep tabs on the shifters and I believe they are dated, but some guys don't think so.
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1967 Z/28 Butternut Yellow
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« Reply #109 on: September 22, 2014, 10:59:58 AM »

Thanxs Chick for the response and I don't care that it took some time I'm just glad that you could accomadate me. I know that you're a busy man and things in life pop up. 

Do you have any pics of his shifter body / date. I've been trying to keep tabs on the shifters and I believe they are dated, but some guys don't think so.
I thought they were dated as well! No, do not have any pics of shifter body as have not been totally under the car YET. Smiley
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Chick
68 Z/28 NOR 01B Orig motor/trans/rear
69 Z/28 NOR 07A Orig Block & GM Cross-ram/carbs
69 L34 Rest. Nova Father/Son Car
69 L78 Surv Nova Purch 4/69 31K miles
67 L89 Corv Tribute
68 Corv 427/400 Orig motor
07 Corv Z06
R 68Z build- http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=182584
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« Reply #110 on: September 22, 2014, 12:02:14 PM »

I believe we've collected sufficient information from enough shifter bodies/cars to know that there is a date coded into the manufacturer's number; not an explicit 'date only code', but the date of manufacture (month and year) is coded into the number on the shifter body. 
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