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« on: March 26, 2014, 09:12:22 PM »

This one is supposedly bringing good money. "1969 Camaro Z28 True X33 D80 Matching #"s Beautiful!!! Frame Off!!"
05D Matching VIN numbers Norwood car on the pad. Angry
What do you guys think of the cowl tag?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Chevrolet-Camaro-COUPE-1969-Camaro-Z28-True-X33-D80-Matching-s-Beautiful-Frame-Off-/321357226644?forcerrptr=true&hash=item4ad2622294&item=321357226644&pt=US_Cars_Trucks
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« Reply #1 on: March 26, 2014, 09:29:17 PM »

VIN: 124379N649786

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« Reply #2 on: March 26, 2014, 09:40:10 PM »

Nice sanding job on the tag. You can cover up a lot of ills by destroying appearances, sometimes.

More concerning to me - how many Norwood Camaros after January had the VIN stamped on the deck ? New guy on the line, maybe didn't realize that it was a hassle to remove the alternator to stamp the VIN ?

Revolting gray paint on the spindles. All in all, somebody spent a lot of time on this car - it's pretty - but a lot of details need to be corrected. At the bid level, somebody's interested -

I've got to inspect my Z when I get home - I've always wondered what "bumbers" were -

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« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2014, 11:48:41 PM »

More concerning to me - how many Norwood Camaros after January had the VIN stamped on the deck ? New guy on the line, maybe didn't realize that it was a hassle to remove the alternator to stamp the VIN ?

Not only should the vin not be stamped on the pad the V0421DZ date is weeks early for an 05D build should be more like the second week of May = restamp (or more accurately added stamp). Be interesting to see what the area around the oil filter looks like
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« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2014, 02:34:17 AM »

Pretty nice car and they really put some effort in it regarding detailing...... but why??? ......the "CAUTION FAN" decal??
I also miss a lot of hardware on the front spoiler and talking about that spoiler isn´t it funny lookin in the middle?  Huh
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« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2014, 07:50:41 AM »

Looks like he got the reverse light rod on with headers. Wonder what brand there are?
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« Reply #6 on: March 27, 2014, 09:30:59 AM »

Nice sanding job on the tag. You can cover up a lot of ills by destroying appearances, sometimes.


 

I've got to inspect my Z when I get home - I've always wondered what "bumbers" were -

Regards -

This site has been a REAL education. I am a RURAL "Hillbilly", if you will, and have no interest in Suburbia or the Urban culture. Having said that, apparently there is a definition for "bumber" in the "Urban Dictionary"! (told you this site is a real education) Read it for yourself and I can see where this term fits in with 1st Gen Camaro lovers! Seems one goes with the other, at least to me! http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bumber  Bumber=Lover of Boobs-go figure,lol. Learn something new everyday.
Now, about the car...Not only this car, but so many others like it have me puzzled. None of us would think of doing all the "incorrect detail" observations so prevalent on this car, yet , many seem to go the whole resto route and want to boast about how correct and original and authentic their car is without even coming close to doing the homework. Don't they know that information IS available? I don't get it! Why do all that work and disregard the details and correctness? Either truly "RESTORE" the car or make it into something you want and disclose it is your idea, but not authentically restored. I go to local shows and there are even more egregious examples. It is like the car has an identity crisis. The car's owner has a mix of some details that indicate an "eye" toward correct factory known details mixed in with "pro-street" or "over chromed" engine compartment. I can understand each person has their own interpretation and idea of what they want to build, but I still don't understand how someone decides to restore to original only to have an obvious car picked apart by others who know their stuff? Why is it so cool to have a correct GM stamped radiator hose and a polished blower on the same build? Seems like a contradiction to me? Below=example of BUMBER


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« Reply #7 on: March 27, 2014, 09:36:36 AM »

Wheels are incorrectly painted, and wonder why they put the washer bottle in the RS location?
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« Reply #8 on: March 27, 2014, 09:51:32 AM »

Wheels are incorrectly painted, and wonder why they put the washer bottle in the RS location?
You are being too kind John, surely you see much, much more?! I do!
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« Reply #9 on: March 27, 2014, 09:54:11 AM »

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This site has been a REAL education. I am a RURAL "Hillbilly", if you will, and have no interest in Suburbia or the Urban culture. Having said that, apparently there is a definition for "bumber" in the "Urban Dictionary"! (told you this site is a real education) Read it for yourself and I can see where this term fits in with 1st Gen Camaro lovers! Seems one goes with the other, at least to me! http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bumber  Bumber=Lover of Boobs-go figure,lol. ....
.... Below=example of BUMBER

Bentley!!   *L*   Did you REALLY post that pic?HuhHuh       *L*
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« Reply #10 on: March 27, 2014, 09:58:02 AM »

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This site has been a REAL education. I am a RURAL "Hillbilly", if you will, and have no interest in Suburbia or the Urban culture. Having said that, apparently there is a definition for "bumber" in the "Urban Dictionary"! (told you this site is a real education) Read it for yourself and I can see where this term fits in with 1st Gen Camaro lovers! Seems one goes with the other, at least to me! http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bumber  Bumber=Lover of Boobs-go figure,lol. ....
.... Below=example of BUMBER

Bentley!!   *L*   Did you REALLY post that pic?HuhHuh       *L*
Gary, first explain what *L* means? I do not want to have to go back to that Urban Dictionary site! If the pic got a laugh or a raised eyebrow, then, yes, I posted. No offense to anyone ,I hope.?
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« Reply #11 on: March 27, 2014, 10:02:43 AM »

I try hard not to pick people's work apart, but, if it's built for profit....all bets are off. I'd like to see shots when the car was completely stripped to bare metal. A lot of chassis prep was ignored underneath and just sprayed over black. Receipts:engine, trans ,rearend. Car should have a file, both digital and paper. Car looks pretty but when obvious areas where attention to detail should be pursued ,and are ignored, it makes you start to wonder what's under the Lemans Blue and Chevy Orange. That being said, and if a truly interested buyer was looking at the car, and if the above mentioned could be verified, many good points on the car. For an honest price ,not difficult areas to correct . If you got the cash in the first place. LOL
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« Reply #12 on: March 27, 2014, 12:20:56 PM »

WOW! That's a huge b*tch (think Duce Bigalow)...too funny Bentley. I see "*L*" as 2 eyes and a nose, is that the correct definition?

One the reverse lock out rod, it looks like the header tube was hammered quite well for clearance. I have a set of headers that I can use the rod with no clearance. They were on the car when I bought it so I don't have a clue what brand they are. The only problem I have with them is the #6 spark plug has no clearance for the boot and it just gets fried.
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« Reply #13 on: March 27, 2014, 12:30:21 PM »

  I damn near spit my coffee out onto the keyboard after seeing that picture.  Shocked

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« Reply #14 on: March 27, 2014, 01:28:55 PM »

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This site has been a REAL education. I am a RURAL "Hillbilly", if you will, and have no interest in Suburbia or the Urban culture. Having said that, apparently there is a definition for "bumber" in the "Urban Dictionary"! (told you this site is a real education) Read it for yourself and I can see where this term fits in with 1st Gen Camaro lovers! Seems one goes with the other, at least to me! http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bumber  Bumber=Lover of Boobs-go figure,lol. ....
.... Below=example of BUMBER

Bentley!!   *L*   Did you REALLY post that pic?HuhHuh       *L*
Gary, first explain what *L* means? I do not want to have to go back to that Urban Dictionary site! If the pic got a laugh or a raised eyebrow, then, yes, I posted. No offense to anyone ,I hope.?

*L*..  just means I'm laughing as I'm trying to type....      *L*
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« Reply #15 on: March 27, 2014, 01:32:51 PM »

  I damn near spit my coffee out onto the keyboard after seeing that picture.  Shocked

"At 10PM she is a 2......at 2AM she is a 10"

Mike

Mike....  if you EVER see that as a '10'..  even if fully asleep at 2 am..  then I no longer wonder how you can see old undercoating out of a can and think it's factory paint..  Smiley
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« Reply #16 on: March 27, 2014, 01:33:38 PM »

Gottcha Gary. I thought that is what you meant. Up where I live, she is considered "petite" Yea, we got a lot of Corn fed Holsteins up here,lol. Was going to tell you that was my wife!, but if she found out, getting my car done would be the least of my worries,lol.
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« Reply #17 on: March 27, 2014, 02:11:42 PM »

We don't need images like that on this site. 
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« Reply #18 on: March 27, 2014, 05:01:01 PM »

VIN: 124379N649786

Sold 3-27-14 for $57,400.00

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« Reply #19 on: March 27, 2014, 09:07:31 PM »

Gottcha Gary. I thought that is what you meant. Up where I live, she is considered "petite" Yea, we got a lot of Corn fed Holsteins up here,lol. Was going to tell you that was my wife!, but if she found out, getting my car done would be the least of my worries,lol.

Hilarious - I'm sorry I missed it. Inappropriate for the site maybe, but your sense of humor is spot on. Hand it to you, I would have never suspected that misspelling "bumper" could have such an impact.

Regards - and thanks for the laugh !
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« Reply #20 on: March 27, 2014, 09:12:33 PM »

I do what I can to keep ya 'all reading on this site. and humor is my strong card! Wink
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« Reply #21 on: March 27, 2014, 09:17:10 PM »

VIN: 124379N649786

Sold 3-27-14 for $57,400.00

Paul

Just another example that beauty trumps intelligence. Whoever bought it must have been less interested in correctness and more interested in eye candy - but it's still a good looking car, regardless.
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« Reply #22 on: March 28, 2014, 04:37:04 PM »

I do what I can to keep ya 'all reading on this site. and humor is my strong card! Wink
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« Reply #23 on: March 28, 2014, 06:05:59 PM »

And to think that I was fortunate (not) to see the pic before it got taken down. Angry
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« Reply #24 on: March 28, 2014, 06:13:15 PM »

And to think that I was fortunate (not) to see the pic before it got taken down. Angry

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« Reply #25 on: March 29, 2014, 07:42:41 AM »

This one is bringing about the same money and seems to me to be a much better investment. The blue one is an obvious restamp with many incorrect restoration detail's and NO paper work. Doesn't seem to be any comparison in my opinion. This one also has some detail issues as well but some very nice paper work and smog etc..

http://www.ebay.com/itm/151260828329?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
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« Reply #26 on: March 29, 2014, 08:02:05 AM »

May just be wishful thinking on the bidding. I don't follow the pricing on the 69's, but pretty sure the value on this one is  a bit north.

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« Reply #27 on: March 29, 2014, 08:04:02 AM »

Yeah and no reserve met so you are probably right.
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« Reply #28 on: March 29, 2014, 08:13:59 AM »

Well..  obviously I like the car, but I got a kick out of a few statements the seller made..  including the two below.. Smiley

"... this gorgeous original California black plate Camaro has a few extra rare options including a rare flat hood."

".. The high revving race ready solid-lifter 302 with a 850-cfm four-barrel carburetor is exclusive to the Z/28..."
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« Reply #29 on: March 29, 2014, 08:39:26 AM »

well, read the warranty/disclaimer---philly lawyer.
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« Reply #30 on: March 29, 2014, 08:49:21 AM »

 That is a very well written warranty.

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« Reply #31 on: March 29, 2014, 01:01:29 PM »

Didn't all 69 Z's come with rear bumper guards? Undecided
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« Reply #32 on: March 29, 2014, 01:47:48 PM »

Didn't all 69 Z's come with rear bumper guards? Undecided

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« Reply #33 on: March 29, 2014, 01:57:26 PM »

This one is bringing about the same money and seems to me to be a much better investment. The blue one is an obvious restamp with many incorrect restoration detail's and NO paper work. Doesn't seem to be any comparison in my opinion. This one also has some detail issues as well but some very nice paper work and smog etc..

http://www.ebay.com/itm/151260828329?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

Kurt, what's your opinion on the engine stamp?

VIN: 124379L528742

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« Reply #34 on: March 30, 2014, 02:22:25 AM »

VIN: 124379L528742

No sale 3-28-14.  Reserve not met = ? (> $59,100.00)

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« Reply #35 on: March 30, 2014, 04:01:18 AM »

Kurt, what's your opinion on the engine stamp?
VIN: 124379L528742
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Yes, I'd like to hear Kurt's opinion on that one; the VIN is the closest I've yet seen to my own LA car's.
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« Reply #36 on: March 30, 2014, 07:42:43 AM »

I hope whoever buys either one of the cars moves the grill emblem to the correct place.
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« Reply #37 on: April 06, 2014, 02:44:18 AM »

Pad looks OK.
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