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« on: March 09, 2014, 10:42:45 PM »

Hi all,

I am trying to determine the correct color (Striping) for my 69 Z28.
I know the original color (Hugger Orange) but can't if striping white or black?
I believe (correct me if wrong) standard (basic) was white unless requested black or removed.
Thanks for any assistance.
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« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2014, 11:11:08 PM »

Post a good photo of your trim tag. Is or was there a vinyl top? If so what color?
To figure it out for yourself, look here: http://www.camaros.org/numbers.shtml#ExteriorColors:T:1969
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« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2014, 11:18:19 PM »

Hi Tom,

Mahalo here's what's on trim tag will try to get a good photo but might hard, was painted over so I used paper/pencil and went over it..

ST 69 12437 LOS138497  BDY
TR 712                  72 72 PNT
?OB                      L212

Unable to make out the ? entry....

Kudos' s for your assistance..


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« Reply #3 on: March 09, 2014, 11:20:05 PM »

The top isn't vinyl sorry forgot to add
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« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2014, 01:01:16 AM »

72 72 Stripes would be white
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« Reply #5 on: March 10, 2014, 01:15:13 AM »

Mahalo, greatly appreciate you writing/assisting me.
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« Reply #6 on: March 10, 2014, 01:25:22 AM »

Would you happen to know what the ?OB would mean; not the ? of course but what this area on tag identifies?
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« Reply #7 on: March 10, 2014, 02:08:09 AM »

is the 0 right next to a rivet? I'm thinking 10B = second week of October.
72 72 = hugger orange body & top (no vinyl or vert) = stripes are white.
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« Reply #8 on: March 10, 2014, 02:16:57 AM »

Yes it's exactly right there, thank u much for taking time to assist me!
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« Reply #9 on: March 10, 2014, 03:11:03 PM »

My 69 z is also a 72 72 with a LOS build. I also think that the build date is 10B. I have the short rear stripes. Their are other threads
regarding that some of the early built z28's followed the assembly manual specifications for the rear stripe layout. Others have commented that
the assembly manual is wrong, but with no supporting evidence.

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« Reply #10 on: March 11, 2014, 12:40:34 AM »

Thank you, yup thats why I wanted to check with folks. From my research I was finding the same document (assembly) manual was incorrect or/and not able to valid the documentation. I was trying to locate the correct tone of stripe as well.  Grateful you took the time to share with me.
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« Reply #11 on: March 11, 2014, 09:45:03 AM »

Others have commented that
the assembly manual is wrong, but with no supporting evidence.

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We've known for many years that the rear stripe illustration in the Chevrolet Assembly Manual (section Z28, sheet B2, View "A", 5.20" dimension) is wrong; Fisher Body didn't use the AIM - they used their own Operation Description sheets ("O.D. Sheets") and Release drawings from GM Styling to create the stencils used in production.
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« Reply #12 on: March 11, 2014, 01:53:23 PM »

Than you JohnZ greatly appreciate your sharing. This list is truly a blessing!
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« Reply #13 on: March 11, 2014, 02:50:14 PM »

The white stripes would be CODE 50 "Dover White"
I have some pics of an original owner survivor 9B LOS Z28 which has the narrow rear stripes, however I have never seen an original "short stripe" car.
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« Reply #14 on: March 12, 2014, 01:00:36 AM »

Wow James, big Mahalo for sharing.  May I get a contact number from you? Would like to share a bit in detail my project.
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« Reply #15 on: March 12, 2014, 09:03:43 AM »

Is this what you mean by short stripes?...Joe
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« Reply #16 on: March 12, 2014, 09:47:16 AM »

Original Paint 9B LOS Z28 Survivor Narrow Rear stripe detail







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« Reply #17 on: March 12, 2014, 11:57:26 AM »

James,

The white stripe in your first photo appears to have been repainted, if you look just below the camaro emblem, on the spoiler, the white paint for the stripe is chipped, and there appears to be 'white paint' below it.  If this was original, wouldn't the color underneath the white stripe be the blue paint??  Or maybe what I'm seeing in the photo isn't reflective of the car itself?
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« Reply #18 on: March 12, 2014, 12:07:16 PM »

James,

The white stripe in your first photo appears to have been repainted, if you look just below the camaro emblem, on the spoiler, the white paint for the stripe is chipped, and there appears to be 'white paint' below it.  If this was original, wouldn't the color underneath the white stripe be the blue paint??  Or maybe what I'm seeing in the photo isn't reflective of the car itself?

To me, it looked like when the paint chipped it took both the white and the blue under it leaving the fiberglass (whiteish color) exposed. But, that is just my opinion.
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« Reply #19 on: March 12, 2014, 01:18:16 PM »

Thats all the way down to the bare spoiler...
James,

The white stripe in your first photo appears to have been repainted, if you look just below the camaro emblem, on the spoiler, the white paint for the stripe is chipped, and there appears to be 'white paint' below it.  If this was original, wouldn't the color underneath the white stripe be the blue paint??  Or maybe what I'm seeing in the photo isn't reflective of the car itself?

To me, it looked like when the paint chipped it took both the white and the blue under it leaving the fiberglass (whiteish color) exposed. But, that is just my opinion.

Exactly... it is the white finish of the spoiler....
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« Reply #20 on: March 12, 2014, 01:41:20 PM »

Thanks James, for the correction; to my old eyes in the photo, it appeared to be older white paint.. Smiley
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« Reply #21 on: March 12, 2014, 03:18:54 PM »

THE PICTURE POSTED BY x66 714  LOOKS JUST MY EARLY BUIILT Z28 FROM LOS. THERES ANOTHER THREAD BY JOHN MELLO REGARDING THE SHORT REAR STRIPES ON EARLY BUILT Z28'S FROM LOS. SO, IF THIS SHORT REAR STRIPE PAINT IS WRONG AS POSTED JOHN Z, THEN AT LEAST IT CAN SAID THAT THOSE EARLY BUILT Z28'S WITH ORIGINAL STRIPES THAT WERE PAINTED SHORT ARE FACTORY Z28'S. ITS ANOTHER INDICATION OF AUTHENTICITY.

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« Reply #22 on: March 12, 2014, 04:38:17 PM »

There's no question that the "short stripes" on the rear of some '69 Zs (like that seen on the orange Z at the top of the page) is authentic as done by GM. I don't think it has yet been determined if there is a small window of time when this was done as standard practice or if it was simply an instance where they used the vinyl top stencil to finish off the stripes because a non-vinyl top stencil was not available.
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« Reply #23 on: March 12, 2014, 09:43:58 PM »

Excellent point John Mello. And as I said before those early built z28's from LOS that have original paint with the shorter rear stripes is an indication that the car is a factory original z28. I believe no other camaro's were made with the rally stripes except the pace car.

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« Reply #24 on: March 14, 2014, 02:53:10 PM »

The early LOS Z28 I referenced not only has the narrow rear stripe design but they are also shorter as well, however they do not appear to be as short as the Orange car which was originally referenced.

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« Reply #25 on: March 14, 2014, 03:59:57 PM »

Good point. The measurements of the rear stripes on my early built 69 z28 match the factory manual. Regardless the reason of why it happened, the fact is that these few factory 69 z28's with the shorter length rear stripes are unique.  And I also feel that having the original paint with these shorter
stripes authenicate the vehicle as an original 69 z28. Like to hear John Z comment on this.

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« Reply #26 on: March 14, 2014, 09:38:36 PM »

After reading through this I've decided to contact the guy with the orange car to get his plant & production date. As soon as I get his information, I'll post it. It was NOT restored this way...regrettably .....Joe
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« Reply #27 on: March 14, 2014, 10:32:08 PM »

x66 714,

I also have a Hugger Orange 69 z28 with the short stripes. I can also supply information to you as well.

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« Reply #28 on: March 15, 2014, 04:32:14 AM »

The orange (72 72) car I posted the picture of is an 11A Los Angeles car...Joe
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« Reply #29 on: March 16, 2014, 12:29:08 PM »

It looks like several 69 z28's with build dates from at least 10D through 11A received the shorter length rear rally stripes. Mine having the 10D build date. I guess no one can say all Los built z28's built between those build dates had the shorter stripes, but at least know several did. I have pictures of at least 4 to 5 other 69 28's that have the shorter stripes. Pictures were supplied by John Mello and of course this post of the Hugger orange 69 z28. What I can say is that my 69 z28 has the original paint, built at the LOS plant, build date of 10D, shorter length rear stripes that match the factory assembly manual specifications and the shorter length rear spoiler (Longer length 1969 Camaro spoiler not available during build - factory used 1968 Camaro spoiler).

It's unfortunate that some owners of these early built z28's that came from LOS, had their car repainted to match the consensus that the shorter stripes are wrong and replaced their shorter length rear spoilers with the longer rear spoilers to match the consensus that the shorter length rear spoilers were also wrong.

I feel very strongly that if you have and early built 1969 z28 that came from LOS plant, with the original paint having the shorter rear stripes and the shorter rear spoiler, that this is an indication of Authenticity of a factory built 1969 z28. The only other camaro that came with rally stripes was the pace car, I dont know if LOS made pace cars. It is also unknown the value these unique z28's may garner, maybe higher value,  maybe lower value. But, for sure, they are unique and verifiable as a factory built 1969 z28.

Like to hear from John z or Jerry McNeish.

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« Reply #30 on: March 16, 2014, 11:07:58 PM »

There is a 12A built LOS Z/28 with the "short" rear stripes that was sold new in Santa Barbara where I lived and there is also this photo from the July '69 issue of Motorcade magazine that shows a '69 Z with manufacturer plates and the same short rear stripe treatment. This car was described as silver with a red deluxe interior.

It may well be that it was hit and miss as to when the short style stripes happened. I do think it may have been limited to the Van Nuys plant but I don't know that for certain. Jerry encountered one of these cars doing an inspection last year. The guy had pics of the car when it had the original paint and the short style stripes. As a Camaro owner back in the '70s in California and going to car events, I remember the occasional Z with the short stripes. I didn't know why there was a difference but I just was aware that it was an authentic GM anomaly.
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« Reply #31 on: March 17, 2014, 10:45:57 AM »

Silver over red... that would be a nice one to own.
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« Reply #32 on: May 05, 2014, 10:03:56 PM »

A friend just bought a 9B Norwood Vinyl Top Z28 which appears to have the original paint under a repaint, I am very interested to see the original stripe layout.
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