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Front Bumper Guards
« on: July 03, 2015, 03:27:00 PM »
If you ordered the Endura front bumper option (VE3) for your 1969 Camaro back then, could you/they also have gotten / ordered Front Bumper Guards option (V31)?  Does it make sense that someone would have ordered V32 for a VE3 optioned Camaro?

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Re: Front Bumper Guards
« Reply #1 on: July 03, 2015, 03:50:28 PM »
No. They wouldn't put chrome bumper guards on a painted bumper.
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Re: Front Bumper Guards
« Reply #2 on: July 04, 2015, 05:08:40 AM »
Interesting question, do you have (or know of) a car with both options fitted? The CRG Options spreadsheet doesn't actually list VE3 against V31 in the 'not available with....' comment column, that may be an omission, or it maybe wasn't a factory mandate.
I'd imagine that no buyer originally ordering a VE3 would want to mess up the smooth appearance with those guards, so perhaps it was *possible* but highly unlikely (plus any decent salesperson would try to talk you out of it, surely?).
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Re: Front Bumper Guards
« Reply #3 on: July 04, 2015, 05:29:45 AM »
I'll fix it in the option spreadsheet.
No a possible combo.
The ordering info says you can't have V31 with VE3.
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Re: Front Bumper Guards
« Reply #4 on: July 04, 2015, 11:57:56 AM »
I don't think it could be done. Isn't there a clip on the guard that goes over the top of the bumper? A correctly mounted VE3 would have no room for the clip....Joe
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Re: Front Bumper Guards
« Reply #5 on: July 04, 2015, 08:51:34 PM »
To all: thanks for the updates and answers. I started this after a discussion with another 69 owner who has V31's on a Chrome bumper and we did not see an "N/A with" for the VE3 bumper in the option spreadsheet.  My 69 has the VE3 option. I note that KurtS will adjust the option spreadsheet accordingly.  By the way, what is this "ordering info" look like or how can you get an electronic copy of it?

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« Reply #6 on: July 05, 2015, 03:10:01 AM »
Not that simple. 1969 Camaro dealer/customer ordering information was fragmented and confusing.

There was the showroom brochure, aptly named as it is what you would obtain at the dealer. There are at least two US versions of it: initial release and R1. R1 added the orange and yellow hounds-tooth interiors and the ducted hood, noted changes such as dropping the 327. But it never listed all the high performance options such as L78 or M22. The initial release did list JL8 even though it was not available.

There was the showroom album which covered all models. It was much more detailed; had actual paint and upholstery samples. It was to be continuously updated but most dealers did not bother.

There was a salesman’s pocket guide, same basic info as the showroom brochure with pricing information.

The best and most comprehensive source of ordering information was the Chevrolet Motor Vehicle Price Schedule. In its entirety, 10 pages of information. There are eight known revisions of it and probably more as the last date I have is June 6, 1969.

This culminated with the 1969 Camaro Order Form. 3 known versions: 6-68, 7-68, 12-68. Furnished to dealers on a pad; they were serialized with a 6-character alpha-numeric code in the upper rh corner that appeared on the window sticker. Every Camaro was ordered using this form.  It was unusually structured in that it did not list all options on the front. For example it only lists M20 ‘wide-range’ 4 speed; M21 & M22 had to be specified in the “additional options and special instructions” box.

Chevrolet made many changes to standard and optional equipment over the model run. It must have been challenging for a dealership to keep current.

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Re: Front Bumper Guards
« Reply #7 on: July 05, 2015, 10:56:31 AM »
Fascinating information, much appreciated William.
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Re: Front Bumper Guards
« Reply #8 on: July 05, 2015, 09:34:08 PM »
William:  Likewise, incredible information insight and very much appreciated.  Challenging to the dealer / sales individual is an understatement, without seeing the information it is amazing that the customer actually got what they ordered. This must have been also true / applicable for ALL Chevrolet or even GM product.