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« on: March 01, 2014, 04:42:41 PM »

I was questioned today about the proper finish under the hood, I'm sure I read the hoods were dipped in black primer than shot from the top covering the edges with paint. Now is 30% gloss an acceptable finish for under the hood sheen wise ? Or too much? Firewalls getting shot at that.
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« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2014, 08:10:18 PM »

I was questioned today about the proper finish under the hood, I'm sure I read the hoods were dipped in black primer than shot from the top covering the edges with paint. Now is 30% gloss an acceptable finish for under the hood sheen wise ? Or too much? Firewalls getting shot at that.

Nope... 60% gloss black underside of hood. 
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« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2014, 08:40:10 PM »

Thanks ,I'll let my body man know. I have both sources (laminated) for chassis and "engine compartment" finish per CHP and Skip Cain's article as well as the Camaro National's Seminar--could not find something as simple as under the hood--I know every finish down to every fastener but not that! It's getting re-assembled for the spray booth this week and he needed my decision  asap. thanks again.
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« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2014, 08:45:29 PM »

Thanks ,I'll let my body man know. I have both sources (laminated) for chassis and "engine compartment" finish per CHP and Skip Cain's article as well as the Camaro National's Seminar--could not find something as simple as under the hood--I know every finish down to every fastener but not that! It's getting re-assembled for the spray booth this week and he needed my decision  asap. thanks again.

I hear you! Sometimes, reading the index to a P&A is like reading another language...  Grin
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« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2014, 01:39:56 PM »

I was questioned today about the proper finish under the hood, I'm sure I read the hoods were dipped in black primer than shot from the top covering the edges with paint. Now is 30% gloss an acceptable finish for under the hood sheen wise ? Or too much? Firewalls getting shot at that.

ALL of the Chevrolet-furnished front sheet metal got the same basic primer application - from the "Assembly Process" paper..

<<"Sheet Metal Painting: All raw parts (wheels, brackets, etc.) and the front end sheet metal (hoods, fenders, lower fender extensions, header panels, front valances, radiator supports, inner fenders, etc.) went through a cleaning, degreasing, and hot phosphate system, then through a flow-coat booth where it was deluged with black primer from all directions and then baked.">>
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« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2014, 02:32:40 PM »

So..when everyone talks % gloss is it an interpretation of GM's black primer ? With subtle variations for detail ? Probably asking a question I already know the answer to ( hate when people do that!)  just want to verify. Glad for the reply John ,you were there in April 68 when the Ash Gold Z was rolling down the line. Probably stuck out like a sore thumb.
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« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2014, 02:44:38 PM »

 I would think that whatever the gloss % is of GM's reconditioning black paint it, that would be close enough.
That is what I am using. I have yet to see anyone use a gloss meter to determine the gloss % finish at a car show.
Without one then it's simply individual interpretation. I doubt GM cared much what the gloss % was for underhood mass production parts.

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« Reply #7 on: March 02, 2014, 03:33:17 PM »

Oh ,I agree. Before it got the Black Lacquer and chrome treatment in the engine compartment a few years back ,I seem to remember it all being uniform. Low sheen black and undercoating ! I was asked yesterday what I wanted purchased and replied same under the hood as firewall etc... then I wasn't sure. Chassis is getting done at home anyway ,he just needed verification before he starts spraying sheet metal.
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« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2014, 03:55:05 PM »

I would think that whatever the gloss % is of GM's reconditioning black paint it, that would be close enough.
That is what I am using. I have yet to see anyone use a gloss meter to determine the gloss % finish at a car show.
Without one then it's simply individual interpretation. I doubt GM cared much what the gloss % was for underhood mass production parts.

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I'm with you Mike; that's been my opinion and approach for over 30 yrs now..
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« Reply #9 on: March 02, 2014, 04:03:18 PM »

BTY , I appreciate the replies.
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« Reply #10 on: March 03, 2014, 10:40:34 AM »

So..when everyone talks % gloss is it an interpretation of GM's black primer ? With subtle variations for detail ?

That semi-gloss sheen may have varied a bit from day to day, but the key issue (in terms of restoration accuracy) is that all of the black-primered Chevrolet front sheet metal components should exhibit the same gloss; they all went through the same prime paint system.
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« Reply #11 on: March 03, 2014, 11:01:02 AM »

  That's what I passed on Saturday ,but wanted to double check. Don't want to be a conduit for misinformation. Going full circle I usually have to look no further than my own car for answers. Flat hood is upstairs in my shop and has been untouched since 69 when it was replaced with the "cowl inducted" Anybody want to guess what the color is on the back of the 68 hood Smiley Not you Jonn, you already know.
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« Reply #12 on: March 03, 2014, 11:33:56 AM »

And, just got off the phone with the paint shop...Mike ,Gary want to guess what he suggested?     Already had this conversation with him....he's been shooting them for almost 40 years ,I like assembly ,just do it like it's yours. That's why it's in there. Got a little "hmph" on the varying %'s of gloss anyway.
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« Reply #13 on: March 03, 2014, 12:58:33 PM »

If he didn't tell you 'GM Reconditioning black', I'd be disappointed.  Smiley
I've used some other paints, regular black urethane (with flattener) even flattened IMRON, but I've never gotten or seen the 'exact' perfect sheen with anything as well as the GM Reconditioning black.
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« Reply #14 on: March 03, 2014, 01:45:28 PM »

Saw some pics of cars shot with it when searched--that's what I want. Clean-straight and uniform.
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« Reply #15 on: March 11, 2014, 10:15:00 PM »

Is the GM Reconditioning black paint a GM dealer only item?

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« Reply #16 on: March 13, 2014, 02:51:04 PM »

no--my buddy ordered it through his paint vendor. BTY I am very pleased with the results. Stopped by the shop today and took a look under the hood, very nice. What I wanted. Well ,hanging the front clip on this Sunday----coming along Cheesy


Thanks Gary & Mike for your suggestion.
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« Reply #17 on: March 13, 2014, 06:41:03 PM »

no--my buddy ordered it through his paint vendor. BTY I am very pleased with the results. Stopped by the shop today and took a look under the hood, very nice. What I wanted. Well ,hanging the front clip on this Sunday----coming along Cheesy


Thanks Gary & Mike for your suggestion.

Good news and close hanging ours but decided to do everything and I mean everything imaginable before and glad. Once the front sheetmetal is attached things become a little more complicated.
Just some food for thought.....
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« Reply #18 on: March 13, 2014, 08:15:37 PM »

Professional doing the paint and body ,I'm just a set of hands this weekend. I asked prior--6 of one ,1/2 a dozen of another as far as the front end goes to him. Getting assembled for final prep and paint--stripes. When it gets home from the booth it's coming back apart. More work but in the long run ties into our schedules better. Plus this car is retaining all of it's sheet metal, shims and fasteners. (bagged and labeled, pictured and diagramed)Think I read your car also started out rust free. My buddy's same quote, never took one down this clean. Usually re-doing someone's disappointment. I'm just stoked with the idea of having the engine in it , done. Then covering it all up. Many hours leaning over fenders. Going to be nice working on it off the lift with nothing in the way. Like working on something with a one piece tilt.
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