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Re: Pretty Cool Ole Car
« Reply #1 on: February 25, 2014, 02:05:42 AM »
VIN:  124379L504674

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« Reply #2 on: February 25, 2014, 05:22:29 AM »
Gold RS LM1, btw. :)
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« Reply #3 on: February 25, 2014, 05:32:24 AM »
It's been for sale off and on for months on Portland's C L. Terry
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« Reply #4 on: February 25, 2014, 05:50:54 AM »
Very cool car!  Would you leave it as is????
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« Reply #5 on: February 25, 2014, 11:57:24 AM »
I would leave it as is for awhile, but I know the paint bug would get me and I would have to paint it. Especially if the panels are all good.
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« Reply #6 on: February 25, 2014, 04:10:56 PM »
nice find, seems like a bit much to me , I suspect rot in the roof from the vinyl top.
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« Reply #7 on: February 25, 2014, 04:22:04 PM »
The sad thing I saw was the title cost $2 back then.  Now its $77.  Maybe the Wall Street protesters should protest the government's insane  "profits".
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« Reply #8 on: February 25, 2014, 05:25:34 PM »
Government doesn't care, and there is not enough of the public that is actually engaged in politics to stand up and make a difference. IMO the general public, pays very little attention to politics until a presidential race, and even then they are only listening to a 30 second commercial and who looks likable to make their decision.

Sorry, this always strikes a nerve with me. In my short life span I have seen people get dumbed down by TV, and told what to think by its news anchors and talk show hosts.The media is a huge blob of influence now. John Q public just wants his sports, or tv show, un-interrupted. If they can get paid (unemployment, food stamps) to stay at home they will continue to vote for the party that helps them do this.
The honest days work, the pride of making it on your own has turned into "you didn't build that". I guess thats why the vehicle hobby is so great, it is a instant source of pride, each vehicle represents an effort by the owner, a extension of them and a source of pride. There is a sense of pride and freedom in turning wrenches for me.
I wish the rest of the country would find themselves, and get back to being the best workers in the world. Tune out the media and get involved with turning this country around politically.
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« Reply #9 on: February 25, 2014, 06:16:11 PM »
Government doesn't care, and there is not enough of the public that is actually engaged in politics to stand up and make a difference. IMO the general public, pays very little attention to politics until a presidential race, and even then they are only listening to a 30 second commercial and who looks likable to make their decision.

Sorry, this always strikes a nerve with me. In my short life span I have seen people get dumbed down by TV, and told what to think by its news anchors and talk show hosts.The media is a huge blob of influence now. John Q public just wants his sports, or tv show, un-interrupted. If they can get paid (unemployment, food stamps) to stay at home they will continue to vote for the party that helps them do this.
The honest days work, the pride of making it on your own has turned into "you didn't build that". I guess thats why the vehicle hobby is so great, it is a instant source of pride, each vehicle represents an effort by the owner, a extension of them and a source of pride. There is a sense of pride and freedom in turning wrenches for me.
I wish the rest of the country would find themselves, and get back to being the best workers in the world. Tune out the media and get involved with turning this country around politically.
Very well put.     OP: Lots of potential. Seems like a solid project. Hard to tell from pictures, but worth a look. I'd probably leave as is/preserve and maybe put the vinyl top back on.
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« Reply #10 on: February 25, 2014, 06:20:37 PM »
If I had the money I'd go look at it.  Not too far from me.
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« Reply #11 on: February 25, 2014, 06:47:37 PM »
Government doesn't care, and there is not enough of the public that is actually engaged in politics to stand up and make a difference. IMO the general public, pays very little attention to politics until a presidential race, and even then they are only listening to a 30 second commercial and who looks likable to make their decision.

Sorry, this always strikes a nerve with me. In my short life span I have seen people get dumbed down by TV, and told what to think by its news anchors and talk show hosts.The media is a huge blob of influence now. John Q public just wants his sports, or tv show, un-interrupted. If they can get paid (unemployment, food stamps) to stay at home they will continue to vote for the party that helps them do this.
The honest days work, the pride of making it on your own has turned into "you didn't build that". I guess thats why the vehicle hobby is so great, it is a instant source of pride, each vehicle represents an effort by the owner, a extension of them and a source of pride. There is a sense of pride and freedom in turning wrenches for me.
I wish the rest of the country would find themselves, and get back to being the best workers in the world. Tune out the media and get involved with turning this country around politically.

If you, as a 'thirty something' feel this way, just imagine how it feels to those of us who are twice your age.  We've been watching taht 'dumbing down of the public, and over-governing of our so-called leaders, for twice as long... :(    If you've ever worked for a 'micro manager', just extrapolate that feeling up by '300 Million' or so (our population) and that's what happening to our society/citizenry.
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« Reply #12 on: February 26, 2014, 02:52:28 AM »
nice find, seems like a bit much to me , I suspect rot in the roof from the vinyl top.

I agree too pricey
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« Reply #13 on: February 27, 2014, 06:26:56 AM »
 WTF ???I thought this was a site for Camaro enthusiasts. Instead I see people using the site to spew political rhetoric and BS. Instead of hijacking a thread to voice your political OPINIONS, try limiting your input to information relating to cars. If you feel like blogging politics with others sure to agree with you try http://blogs.foxnews.com/
As for the $2 vs $77 registration increase, that increase is over 45 years and in the same 45 years GM has increased the price of a new Z/28 from around $4,000 to a whopping $75,000. Another government plot? Think not. Oh and GM would be out of business today if not for a bail out instituted your elected politicians.

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« Reply #14 on: February 27, 2014, 06:57:56 AM »
Thats right, you can now say GM didn't build that.... :D


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« Reply #15 on: February 27, 2014, 11:46:22 AM »
As for the $2 vs $77 registration increase, that increase is over 45 years and in the same 45 years GM has increased the price of a new Z/28 from around $4,000 to a whopping $75,000. Another government plot? Think not. Oh and GM would be out of business today if not for a bail out instituted your elected politicians

To some degree - yes.  A large part of that  increase was a direct result of federal gov't. mandated emission and safety standards.
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« Reply #16 on: February 27, 2014, 01:40:20 PM »
Deleted my comments... Wasn't worth getting the libs panties in a bunch.
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« Reply #17 on: February 27, 2014, 02:11:12 PM »
 Think not. Oh and GM would be out of business today if not for a bail out instituted your elected politicians.

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As far as I'm concerned, GM should have went out. If my business goes bankrupt, who bails me out? Nobody. Oh, that's right, I'm not one of the "special" people who get bailed out by the taxpayer. (nor do I wish or expect to be) Politicians didn't ante up the bail out funds. They took funds from me, and millions of other tax payers.
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« Reply #18 on: February 27, 2014, 03:37:04 PM »
As for the $2 vs $77 registration increase, that increase is over 45 years and in the same 45 years GM has increased the price of a new Z/28 from around $4,000 to a whopping $75,000.

You might also note (besides inflation) that the $4000 Z/28 was an ordinary production car, where the new Z/28 is an all-out race car for the track that includes and meets 40 years of safety and emissions regulations. Apples and oranges.
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« Reply #19 on: February 27, 2014, 03:48:43 PM »
Agree it is more track oriented, and has come a long way but $75K come on now. I would be surprised if it costs GM 40K more than the SS or 20K more than a ZL-1. I get that there has been upgrades to the motor and suspension, (wouldn't it be cheaper with no AC, thinner rear glass, and smaller wheels?   :D  ) Still seems like a heavy handed upgrade in the price to me.
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« Reply #20 on: February 27, 2014, 03:56:58 PM »
As for the $2 vs $77 registration increase, that increase is over 45 years and in the same 45 years GM has increased the price of a new Z/28 from around $4,000 to a whopping $75,000.

You might also note (besides inflation) that the $4000 Z/28 was an ordinary production car, where the new Z/28 is an all-out race car for the track that includes and meets 40 years of safety and emissions regulations. Apples and oranges.
It might be, like the pharmaceutical industry and its high prices, that one is paying for the R&D of a track proven car.
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« Reply #21 on: February 27, 2014, 09:51:54 PM »



(I got kicked off of the political blogs for talking cars... ;D )
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« Reply #22 on: February 27, 2014, 10:11:27 PM »
(I got kicked off of the political blogs for talking cars... ;D )

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« Reply #23 on: February 27, 2014, 10:35:13 PM »
Think not. Oh and GM would be out of business today if not for a bail out instituted your elected politicians.

Peace :)

As far as I'm concerned, GM should have went out. If my business goes bankrupt, who bails me out? Nobody. Oh, that's right, I'm not one of the "special" people who get bailed out by the taxpayer. (nor do I wish or expect to be) Politicians didn't ante up the bail out funds. They took funds from me, and millions of other tax payers.
[/quote]I guess we're going to keep talking politics. If your business goes "bankrupt"  you are being "bailed out" depending on how you file you will only be responsible for a portion or none of your incurred debt and in some cases can continue to operate your business. Who pays for that? other consumers, business owners and tax payers. Unfortunately some people both conservative and liberal use this as a business model. Bail outs for big businesses are a touchy subject a lot of jobs and effects on the economy at stake, although I don't think that the "top dogs" running these failed businesses should come out of it virtually unscathed.
Did I mention that i am a fan of the "flat hood" 69 Z/28's?

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« Reply #24 on: February 27, 2014, 10:43:24 PM »
Think not. Oh and GM would be out of business today if not for a bail out instituted your elected politicians.

Peace :)

As far as I'm concerned, GM should have went out. If my business goes bankrupt, who bails me out? Nobody. Oh, that's right, I'm not one of the "special" people who get bailed out by the taxpayer. (nor do I wish or expect to be) Politicians didn't ante up the bail out funds. They took funds from me, and millions of other tax payers.
I guess we're going to keep talking politics. If your business goes "bankrupt"  you are being "bailed out" depending on how you file you will only be responsible for a portion or none of your incurred debt and in some cases can continue to operate your business. Who pays for that? other consumers, business owners and tax payers. Unfortunately some people both conservative and liberal use this as a business model. Bail outs for big businesses are a touchy subject a lot of jobs and effects on the economy at stake, although I don't think that the "top dogs" running these failed businesses should come out of it virtually unscathed.
Did I mention that i am a fan of the "flat hood" 69 Z/28's?
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We're not disagreeing.. :)    One could remove the hood, and it still would be a Z28.. :)
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« Reply #25 on: February 27, 2014, 10:46:15 PM »
Deleted my comments... Wasn't worth getting the libs panties in a bunch.
Just checked my panties....no bunches found...

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« Reply #26 on: February 27, 2014, 10:52:42 PM »
It was for the pensions GM had more people collecting pensions and health care than any other American company the government would of paid more money if they did not bail out! Nobody remembers when ford was on the verge of going bankrupted years ago GM bought there office buildings  that are GM head quarters today! I am not for bailouts however, GM had to many retiree's in my opinion! And no I never worked for GM!    

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« Reply #27 on: February 27, 2014, 10:57:18 PM »
There is a lot, and I mean a LOT, I do not like about GM, but they sure made one hell of a nice 1st Gen. Camaro, I think we all can agree. Those cars are magic! ;)
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« Reply #28 on: February 27, 2014, 11:02:24 PM »
So your panties are fine as long as their is no golden parachutes, but the bail outs are a necessity?
Next we will hear how we have to get away from auto unions and how their leverage has put the big 3 behind the eight ball.....
but we know that won't happen , to big of a voting block.  :D
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« Reply #29 on: February 27, 2014, 11:53:07 PM »
Is a pretty cool car--where have they been all these years ? Would look real good with an " aerodynamic, fresh air  via cowl inducted" hood however !---hugger orange!  Great platform, ouch says the survivor guys >:(

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« Reply #30 on: February 28, 2014, 02:09:43 AM »
So your panties are fine as long as their is no golden parachutes, but the bail outs are a necessity?
Next we will hear how we have to get away from auto unions and how their leverage has put the big 3 behind the eight ball.....
but we know that won't happen , to big of a voting block.  :D

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« Reply #31 on: February 28, 2014, 02:29:30 AM »
Think not. Oh and GM would be out of business today if not for a bail out instituted your elected politicians.

Peace :)

As far as I'm concerned, GM should have went out. If my business goes bankrupt, who bails me out? Nobody. Oh, that's right, I'm not one of the "special" people who get bailed out by the taxpayer. (nor do I wish or expect to be) Politicians didn't ante up the bail out funds. They took funds from me, and millions of other tax payers.
I guess we're going to keep talking politics. If your business goes "bankrupt"  you are being "bailed out" depending on how you file you will only be responsible for a portion or none of your incurred debt and in some cases can continue to operate your business. Who pays for that? other consumers, business owners and tax payers. Unfortunately some people both conservative and liberal use this as a business model. Bail outs for big businesses are a touchy subject a lot of jobs and effects on the economy at stake, although I don't think that the "top dogs" running these failed businesses should come out of it virtually unscathed.
Did I mention that i am a fan of the "flat hood" 69 Z/28's?

We're not disagreeing.. :)    One could remove the hood, and it still would be a Z28.. :)
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« Reply #32 on: February 28, 2014, 05:17:01 AM »
both good articles Phillip. Interesting how much participation VW had in trying to get a union in there. On the other hand Michigan has a long way to go, it took a number of elections voting the same ticket back into office and getting the same results, I hope if it doesn't turn around right away that they don't blame who is in power right now. Even if the right guys are in there (which time will tell) it is still going to take a major overhaul of the whole state.

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« Reply #33 on: February 28, 2014, 01:37:03 PM »
"Liberal Argument Playbook - Use these tactics when debating conservatives:

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 2. Blame President Bush. When that doesn't work...
 3. Call them a racist and then run away!
   Note: If facts continue to come your way, repeat steps 1-3"

 Until the unions stop giving money to the left, they are going to continue to sink. If you give your money to a union, you are supporting the left completely right now. I see guys getting out of the union constantly because of that. Think about it if you are a union steward, president etc. Time for some union policy changes if you want to survive.
 I can't believe you guys allowed me to get into this on the internet lol. Over drinks next time ok?
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« Reply #34 on: February 28, 2014, 03:12:20 PM »



If your business goes "bankrupt"  you are being "bailed out" depending on how you file you will only be responsible for a portion or none of your incurred debt and in some cases can continue to operate your business. Who pays for that? other consumers, business owners and tax payers.

Huh?? If I'm a sole proprietor I'm responsible for my debt until all my assets (including personal) are gone. Any debt left at that point will be be eaten by my creditors , that's true. My creditors took that risk when they decided to do business with me. The government and the taxpayers have no involvement in the process, whatsoever. In GM's case there were a large group of credits who got nothing, called stockholders. Bondholders took a bath as well. "Special" considerations were given the unions, however. Wonder why that was the case?
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« Reply #35 on: February 28, 2014, 04:24:11 PM »
Well I agree with what you are saying, but was the situation any different when Ford got bailed out in the 80's? When GM got bailed out, if they hadn't, would/could Toyota have come in and worked a deal to buy them?,( kinda like AMF and Harley in the 70's). It may have been hard to watch, but might have been interesting to see how it played out. On one hand  I feel for the workers , on the other I feel the benefits the Union negotiated made it hard for them to turn a profit let alone keep their head above water. Good economy or bad they still have to pay benefits and retirement. When things go good, union can push them into a corner, but when things take a turn for the worse, the company takes a big hit, until they can re-negtiate with the union, (if the company does't go under)
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« Reply #36 on: February 28, 2014, 05:33:01 PM »
Well I agree with what you are saying, but was the situation any different when Ford got bailed out in the 80's? When GM got bailed out, if they hadn't, would/could Toyota have come in and worked a deal to buy them?,( kinda like AMF and Harley in the 70's). It may have been hard to watch, but might have been interesting to see how it played out. On one hand  I feel for the workers , on the other I feel the benefits the Union negotiated made it hard for them to turn a profit let alone keep their head above water. Good economy or bad they still have to pay benefits and retirement. When things go good, union can push them into a corner, but when things take a turn for the worse, the company takes a big hit, until they can re-negtiate with the union, (if the company does't go under)
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IMO, while I'm not a fan of unions in these times, the biggest problems with GM over the last 20-40 yrs has been:  1) Proliferation of different models (how many SUV's do they build now?), 2) Too much inter-division competition within the company (ie. between Chevy/Cad/Pon/Olds/Buick) and too little 'competing' with their real competitors.   Maybe that's what happens when you become 'too big'? and have management with too little 'big picture' perspective.   I'd have preferred to see GM re-organize in such a way as it minimized or eliminated the competition across divisions - but kept all the division names as entire families are (were?) engrained to each of these nameplates.   One way to have done this would be to 'assign' certain classes or models of cars to each division, and let them readjust their identify to match those models, and adjust their attitudes to competing with the Toyotas, Hondas, Fords, Chryslers, Nissans, etc (rather than with one another).   
If they had done that, I think they would have remained the largest car manufacturer in the world, and seen their profits increase.
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« Reply #37 on: February 28, 2014, 05:54:37 PM »
I can write a book about my feelings on the systematic "melting" of the Middle Class ,and how one on the stern, one on the bow--while both cast stones ,nobody bothered to check if the ship was taking water until they sunk.

I'm sticking to Camaro's on this thread--neat old 69 ,I agree.

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« Reply #38 on: February 28, 2014, 06:36:19 PM »
 The car is in Eugene, Oregon the guy selling is a car flipper ( buys and sells ) the car has some rust around the back window. He has 4 other first gen camaros he is willing to sell. 541-914-1137
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« Reply #39 on: February 28, 2014, 06:51:10 PM »
so he probably wants some decent coin for each of them so he can make good money.
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« Reply #40 on: February 28, 2014, 07:40:06 PM »
If anyone looks at this car, I'd like pics of the trim tag and POP.
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« Reply #41 on: February 28, 2014, 08:24:12 PM »
 It's a 3 hour drive one way for me and I'm not in the market at this time. He has 67 rs/ss, 69 plain Jane, 69 SS 350, 69 427 conv. race car. If you want to know more...541-914-1137. You can give him a call.
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« Reply #42 on: March 01, 2014, 02:24:54 AM »
I'm still in CR.....
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« Reply #43 on: March 01, 2014, 04:12:35 AM »
Kurt, are you interested in buying or just for data base?  If I asked him to email pictures of tags, pop, he might.... P M and let me know. Terry
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« Reply #44 on: March 01, 2014, 03:45:24 PM »
I'm going to keep track of this and put his # in my phone.  My parents live in Roseburg  (when they leave AZ in the spring) and if I go to see them, I'll stop by and take some pics.
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« Reply #45 on: March 01, 2014, 05:19:02 PM »
"Liberal Argument Playbook - Use these tactics when debating conservatives:

 1. Ignore Facts that hurt your position. When that doesn't work...
 2. Blame President Bush. When that doesn't work...
 3. Call them a racist and then run away!
   Note: If facts continue to come your way, repeat steps 1-3"

 Until the unions stop giving money to the left, they are going to continue to sink. If you give your money to a union, you are supporting the left completely right now. I see guys getting out of the union constantly because of that. Think about it if you are a union steward, president etc. Time for some union policy changes if you want to survive.
 I can't believe you guys allowed me to get into this on the internet lol. Over drinks next time ok?
Not going to quit? Sometimes it is easier to attack someones character then to debate the issue. FACTS are FACTS and OPINIONS are OPINIONS (sometimes based on facts) If someone is getting their information from CSNBC they might tend to disagree w/ the "facts" reported on FOX. If someone is getting their information from FOX they might tend to disagree w/ the "facts" reported on CSNBC. However belittling and ridiculing a person based on their assumed political affiliation aq determined by their OPINION does not make for a healthy debate of the FACTS.


Back to the Pretty Cool Ole Car... and examples of FACTS vs OPINIONS

FACT: The car came from the factory painted Olympic Gold

OPINION 1: Olympic Gold is the best color ever
OPINION 2: Olympic Gold sucks out loud

FACT: The car is not a Z/28

OPINION 1: Too bad it would be really cool of it were a Z/28
OPINION 2: Who cares? I'm not a Z lover

FACT: The paint is in poor condition

OPINION 1: Looks fine. Clean it up, drive it and call it a survivor
OPINION 2: Restore it and paint it Hugger Orange. All '69 Camaros should be either Hugger Orange or Azure Turquoise, except the one (also not a fact) that came painted Champagne.

FACT: The CRAIGSLIST listing has expired

Thanks for not kicking me off of the site !!!

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« Reply #46 on: March 01, 2014, 05:52:20 PM »
I think we might have to kick you off for mentioning hugger orange.... :D
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« Reply #47 on: March 01, 2014, 06:18:30 PM »
Divide and conquer- Hugger Orange guys against Matador Red Guys always blaming the Ash Gold and Sea Frost guys for inherent Camaro problems--restore/leave alone--flat hood/cowl hood, who let those drag racers in, there goes the site !  It's the Mustang people I tell you !  Why are their cars going up in value and ours are dropping?  I cry conspiracy :D

Hey my cars coming home in a few weeks ! Hence my giddiness.

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« Reply #48 on: March 01, 2014, 07:07:00 PM »
Actually looking at hagerty valuation tools the 69 Z/28 AVERAGE price is $83,934. Crazy right? My 65 fastbacks have rebounded, but not like the 69 Camaro. But maybe I am part of the conspiracy, hedging my bets by owning both?

And if you please- Garnet Red for us 69 guys

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« Reply #49 on: March 01, 2014, 07:42:22 PM »
If it were closer (physically and $$), I'd be interested in the car.
For the db. Always interested in LM1 and Z10's... :)
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« Reply #50 on: March 01, 2014, 11:13:10 PM »
Sure did not mean for this thread to take this turn....just commenting on a cool ole car..LM1... :-\
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« Reply #51 on: March 01, 2014, 11:26:17 PM »
ah, everyone's getting a little cabin fever LOL !

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« Reply #52 on: March 02, 2014, 12:21:51 AM »
Well, I sure had it when we had that stupid snow a few weeks ago.  That just totally shuts down our whole State.  Other than that, it was 60 and sunny yesterday.
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« Reply #53 on: March 03, 2014, 02:39:02 PM »
"Liberal Argument Playbook - Use these tactics when debating conservatives:

 1. Ignore Facts that hurt your position. When that doesn't work...
 2. Blame President Bush. When that doesn't work...
 3. Call them a racist and then run away!
   Note: If facts continue to come your way, repeat steps 1-3"

 Until the unions stop giving money to the left, they are going to continue to sink. If you give your money to a union, you are supporting the left completely right now. I see guys getting out of the union constantly because of that. Think about it if you are a union steward, president etc. Time for some union policy changes if you want to survive.
 I can't believe you guys allowed me to get into this on the internet lol. Over drinks next time ok?
Not going to quit? Sometimes it is easier to attack someones character then to debate the issue. FACTS are FACTS and OPINIONS are OPINIONS (sometimes based on facts) If someone is getting their information from CSNBC they might tend to disagree w/ the "facts" reported on FOX. If someone is getting their information from FOX they might tend to disagree w/ the "facts" reported on CSNBC. However belittling and ridiculing a person based on their assumed political affiliation aq determined by their OPINION does not make for a healthy debate of the FACTS.


Back to the Pretty Cool Ole Car... and examples of FACTS vs OPINIONS

FACT: The car came from the factory painted Olympic Gold

OPINION 1: Olympic Gold is the best color ever
OPINION 2: Olympic Gold sucks out loud

FACT: The car is not a Z/28

OPINION 1: Too bad it would be really cool of it were a Z/28
OPINION 2: Who cares? I'm not a Z lover

FACT: The paint is in poor condition

OPINION 1: Looks fine. Clean it up, drive it and call it a survivor
OPINION 2: Restore it and paint it Hugger Orange. All '69 Camaros should be either Hugger Orange or Azure Turquoise, except the one (also not a fact) that came painted Champagne.

FACT: The CRAIGSLIST listing has expired

Thanks for not kicking me off of the site !!!
Take it easy there Francis...
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