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BULLITT65

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Re: Nagging questions about parts and restoration direction
« Reply #15 on: February 17, 2014, 05:03:50 PM »
Sauron I agree some goodmark works some is junk. (by the way it is just a 64 C/10 shorted fleet side, not panel)  :) My point is I have seen NOS panels, original panels, and repro, and The rule of thumb still holds true for Camaro IMO, NOS panels if they came early off the machine may work, others that may have come off later, may be off farther than a repro, and may need some work to fit right.   Your right James the "B" comment went right over my head.  :D thanks for the "save" I was asleep at the wheel on that one,  but I get it now.  ;)
My general point is  I haven't seen any unrestored (american) cars with body gaps and spacing of todays show cars.

As far as money being tight, it just sounds like you have enough leeway to acquire the different manufactured pieces and make the best decision, and then possibly use those items left over on one of your other cars, or sell to recoup the money, and spend on something else more worth while for the car.

I think by the way you have asked your question you have your eye on the right items, and are preparing yourself to tackle those small trifles ahead of time so your build goes as smooth as possible.
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Re: Nagging questions about parts and restoration direction
« Reply #16 on: February 17, 2014, 06:27:40 PM »
Ko-lek-tor, what is your budget and time frame for completion of this project? Do you know what your shop charges per hour?
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Re: Nagging questions about parts and restoration direction
« Reply #17 on: February 17, 2014, 09:39:14 PM »
 You might want to check out Secondchancegarage.com/car-restoration/restoration-cost.cfm. This is not a link, it's not formated for this site.
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Re: Nagging questions about parts and restoration direction
« Reply #18 on: February 20, 2014, 06:07:17 PM »
A question was asked how new or old my NOS panels are. I replied that all panels were bought before 1982. Here is a pic of one label I took off a fender. Can someone educate me how, or if, the age can be determined by the label? Upper RH corner #s look like 50F5 if that is pertinent. The rest looks readable in pic. Thanks, B. 8)

Here is one for sale-See why I asked if I should sell? http://www.camarocentral.com/1969_Fender_RH_for_Rally_Sport_GM_NOS_p/3953858.htm  :o :o
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Re: Nagging questions about parts and restoration direction
« Reply #19 on: February 20, 2014, 09:20:37 PM »
I have seen guys "ask" crazy money for them. I do not know the age, but it appears as the older style sticker ( there is a couple of newer versions that are easy to spot). I sold a NOS rear quarter a couple of years ago for $1500, I saw guys asking $3-5k but never saw them sell, like another CRG member here that asks a ton of money. Eventually the price may get there but I usually follow the ones that actually sell for a better barometer of what the actual going price is. I still see guys parting out 69 camaros or selling rolling bodies for a couple of grand that have good fenders and enough parts to more than recoup what you have into it.
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Re: Nagging questions about parts and restoration direction
« Reply #20 on: February 21, 2014, 12:57:12 AM »
My understanding is that this style label is 80's (not sure if that is a date code in the upper right hand side but it says 1981 F1  (June 1st or 1st week of 1981)






EDIT:

The ink stamp style stickers are of the 70's and all the computer printing is 80's and then barcode is late 80's - 90's.

The ones with the barcode are late 80's - 90's.  I could be completely off on this theory and I hope someone will chime in and enlighten all of us
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Re: Nagging questions about parts and restoration direction
« Reply #21 on: February 21, 2014, 01:47:55 AM »
told you all my stuff is old,lol. I think it came over on the GM Mayflower
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Re: Nagging questions about parts and restoration direction
« Reply #22 on: February 24, 2014, 03:17:39 PM »
If I am not mistaken the inner supports were spotwelded before the fenders were flo coat primed at the  assembly plants based upon a parameter of the crest line? Amnng others I am sure.
This being the case how were replacements indexed (inner supports to fneder crest line etc.) ?

I believe it was left to the "offline" installer to create the fit required for the job..
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Re: Nagging questions about parts and restoration direction
« Reply #23 on: February 24, 2014, 04:02:42 PM »
This being the case how were replacements indexed (inner supports to fneder crest line etc.) ?

There are alignment holes in the supports and fenders. The same applies to other models.

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Re: Nagging questions about parts and restoration direction
« Reply #24 on: February 25, 2014, 03:52:12 PM »
If I am not mistaken the inner supports were spotwelded before the fenders were flo coat primed at the  assembly plants based upon a parameter of the crest line? Amnng others I am sure.
This being the case how were replacements indexed (inner supports to fneder crest line etc.) ?

I believe it was left to the "offline" installer to create the fit required for the job..


In the plant, we welded the "shotgun" reinforcement to the fender skin prior to painting, and we "tuned" the welding fixture clamps and locators to set the crown line of the fender to match the crown of the hood.

Most Service fenders were welded (and primed) at the Regional Parts Depots, using simplified versions of our weld fixtures (which is why production take-off fenders usually fit better than NOS Service fenders).
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Re: Nagging questions about parts and restoration direction
« Reply #25 on: February 26, 2014, 12:39:45 AM »
Most Service fenders were welded (and primed) at the Regional Parts Depots, using simplified versions of our weld fixtures (which is why production take-off fenders usually fit better than NOS Service fenders).

In the 90's I worked for an after market auto sheet metal supplier and they also believed producition line parts fit better.
 3 different production line parts were removed from 3 different vehicles, scanned/3D mapped with the resulting data sets used for dies etc being the average of the three measurements.
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