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Re: 69 Z on ebay - twin
« Reply #15 on: February 03, 2014, 06:53:06 PM »
Correct.
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Re: 69 Z on ebay - twin
« Reply #16 on: February 03, 2014, 08:03:06 PM »
OK..  I called and arranged to go by and look at the car this morning.  I met with Brandon Damson (grandson of owner, Jerry Damson), and Rick Hall (employee of the dealership).   Both guys I met are knowledable car guys (Brandon is fairly young) and Rick is around 60 and a lifelong Chevy car guy (but neither are 'experts' on the '69 Camaro to the degree of we Camaro freaks on CRG.. :) ..  

Brandon's grandfather purchased the car 2 yrs ago from the owner of a Gadsden AL Nissan dealership (the car was on their showroom floor for some period of time, and called 'finished'), although Rick told me there were a number of things they did after they purchased it (rebuilt the rear end for one thing), and they exchanged the 'reproduction standard seat covers' for the houndstooth repro interior (to match the installed custom interior door panels).  The owner Jerry Damson has owned the Honda dealership here in Huntsville for many years, and before that had a used car lot here in town.   He and his son (Deke) have been acquiring quite a collection of 'collector cars' over the past 15-20 yrs.  The '69 Z28 was sitting next to a very nice and original '68 Z28, in the midst of nearly forty cars or more? other exrremely nice cars (from woody wagons of the 30's up thru a Ferrari and many many more).   I was unable to check over the car very well due to the close quarters.  They offered to move it out but that appeared to require moving many cars, so I did not ask them to do that.   From what I saw, the paint on the exterior of the car is excellent.  I was able to open the hood and look around in the engine compartment.   It has exhaust manifolds without the taps for the smog, and the smog is not present.   It has a 309 master cylinder - dated 146 or 149 best we could see, but I was unable to read/see the stamped US code and nor could be see the stamped codes on the booster.   The ZL2 air cleaner seemed to have the characteristics of an original unit and other ZL2 parts were present.  I could not see/read the date on the hood (due to thick paint), but Brandon said he thought he could see a semblance of a number under the paint.  The hood latches were painted, and the inside of the lower front valence was in red-oxide primer (no overspray).   You fellas have already pointed out a few other things like the battery etc which are incorrect for the timeframe.  I wanted to check the rear end date code, but due to the situation was unable to do so, but Rick did bring up the original higher resolution photos on his computer and we tried to make out the full code..   We *believe* it's a  BU 0810 or 0819G2 which would be in the correct ballpark date wise and the BU code is right.  Rick thought he could make out the 'C' outfront but I couldn't see it well enough to say for certain..?    Oh..  Rick had said in his video and verbiage in the ad, that the shifter was 'wrong', but actually it's correct for '69 (round Hurst shifter handle) with chrome knob.   They thought it was supposed to be like their '68 Z28, so they thought it was incorrect.   Rick and Brandon were very nice and accommodating, and took the comments I made the way they were intended, as educational, and not critical.   Rick told me he could probably find out who restored the car before they purchased it.   I also pointed out to them that they could learn *almost* all the details of the first gen Camaro on the CRG site and forum.  (I say *almost* since we are all still striving to learn more every day).. :)

If anyone is seriously interested in purchase of the car, I'm sure they would move it out, or put it on a lift to allow full inspection, but I didn't want to ask them to do that just so I could see it (I have one like it already).. :)    They also allowed me to take photos of some of the other cars in their warehouse storage, which I appreciated.   The only two of their collection which is for sale is the '69 Z28/RS and a '70 Cuda with 440 six-barrell (in the same ballpark pricewise).
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Re: 69 Z on ebay - twin
« Reply #17 on: February 03, 2014, 09:07:30 PM »
Gary,

 Did you mention that some here at CRG have doubts of the trim tag to them?

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« Reply #18 on: February 03, 2014, 11:51:38 PM »
They have stated in a response they have been told the trim tag is a repro.
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Re: 69 Z on ebay - twin
« Reply #19 on: February 03, 2014, 11:55:37 PM »
interesting, I wonder how it will affect the value.
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Re: 69 Z on ebay - twin
« Reply #20 on: February 04, 2014, 12:59:23 AM »
Way too much money

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Re: 69 Z on ebay - twin
« Reply #21 on: February 04, 2014, 01:28:12 AM »
$105!?!?! is that a typo?
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Re: 69 Z on ebay - twin
« Reply #22 on: February 04, 2014, 01:37:12 AM »
Gary,
Looks like a good evaluation.
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Re: 69 Z on ebay - twin
« Reply #23 on: February 04, 2014, 02:11:54 AM »
Hard to tell but I do not see a speedo hole or holes for the clips.  Surprised no one else noticed this..

No trans hole.



Now theres a hole and its too far back.



No reinforcement ring.





2 possibilities.

1.  Rebodied car
2.  Faked car and found all the parts.
3.  The tunnel was replaced.

Also Im not 100% convinced that the body wasnt an A/C car.  Hard to tell and it might be the lighting but it looks like metal work on the top of the cowl.

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Re: 69 Z on ebay - twin
« Reply #24 on: February 04, 2014, 02:19:13 AM »
1969 Camaros did not have a "reinforcement" ring around the shifter hole and the forward hole which retains the clip for the 4 speed Muncie cable is visible in the pics you posted.

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Re: 69 Z on ebay - twin
« Reply #25 on: February 04, 2014, 02:24:25 AM »
1969 Camaos did not have a "reinforcement" ring around the shifter hole and the forward hole which retains the clip for the 4 speed cable is visible in the pics you posted.

Actually, 1969 Camaros with a 3-speed manual without a console did have a reinforcement ring.   :)

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Re: 69 Z on ebay - twin
« Reply #26 on: February 04, 2014, 02:26:07 AM »
You are correct about the ring.  I was looking at my 68 when I typed that.  And now that you mention it I do see the clip hole in the tunnel now too.  But that could have been drilled after the fact.  Still a lot of questions on this car that make you raise an eyebrow.
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Re: 69 Z on ebay - twin
« Reply #27 on: February 04, 2014, 02:27:17 AM »


Actually, 1969 Camaros with a 3-speed manual without a console did have a reinforcement ring.   :)

Paul

Wonder why.  Its not like the console gave the floor any support.   ???
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Re: 69 Z on ebay - twin
« Reply #28 on: February 04, 2014, 03:08:43 AM »
Gary,
Did you mention that some here at CRG have doubts of the trim tag to them?
Mike

Yes, I told them that some had expressed that view, and I also told them how to get to CRG and the forum.
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Re: 69 Z on ebay - twin
« Reply #29 on: February 04, 2014, 03:37:53 AM »
Attached are a couple of photos which show how closely the cars were packed in this large building.  No room to open doors or do much of anything, and my camera began acting up for some reason which impacted my photo taking.

I also sent Rick a copy of my posting on the CRG, and I received back this response from him.
"Hey Gary this car is Actually Deke's which is Brandon's dad.  I 'll be glad to get any info for anyone interested to help document this car but my eyes don't let me see the small details anymore so I have to rely on the pictures or someone with eyes that can.  Thanks Rick "
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69 Corvette convertible, silver/black 350 hp,
60 Corvette white/red, 72 Corvette coupe, '70 Mach I 
90 ZR1 red/red #246, 90 ZR1 white/gray #2466
72 El Camino, '55-'56-'57 Nomads, '55-'57 B/A Sedan