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« on: January 24, 2014, 01:37:24 AM »

Its amazing how many of these "Original Z/28 Barn Finds" are popping up these days.
I wonder if that old house/barn in the pictures is where they found it.  Roll Eyes
Its supposedly going to sell at no reserve to the highest bidder.


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« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2014, 01:48:32 AM »

I looked it over when it popped up on ebay. I asked him if he had any involvement with the added hood and spoilers. I didn't get any response.
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« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2014, 01:57:05 AM »

Yeah, I noticed the same thing along with other issues that it has for such an original low mileage barn find car.
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« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2014, 08:22:51 AM »

  What I find funny is how it is photographed with an abandoned house in the background. I guess that is a means of subliminal stimuli to promote the car.
I'm going to take my 67 with 58000 miles on it, roll back the speedo (easy to do on the old cars BTW) and
put it in front of my barn shaped shed with some plastic cows in the background and open an ad of my own Barn Find with 18000 miles.  Cheesy
Maybe I'm being cynical, but it seems that the new buzz word today with old cars is...barn finds.

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« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2014, 08:56:13 AM »

Must be the homeless who occupied the vacant structure took good care of the car---usually what you find in these places ,and met labs--low mileage 69 Z's are rare indeed.

Rear quarters and underneath are pretty clean for an old drag car. Funny mine had stone chips and a sheen of burnt rubber..
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« Reply #5 on: January 24, 2014, 08:58:59 AM »

The only way I go that money for a barn is if I found it myself.
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« Reply #6 on: January 24, 2014, 09:28:09 AM »

These "Barn Find" ads that you see so often anymore are laughable. Kind of makes you want to find a cool old barn, ask permission to park your car in there for a few hours, take some pictures and someday if you decide to sell. Bingo! Ca Ching!
Of course they use the term "Barn Find" very loosely these days. I think if it was bought or had been stored in a garage, storage unit, in someone's back yard or an old business they call it a "Barn Find"

I know that finding a classic in an old barn has happened but just not this often.
I personally know of a guy just last year that was driving out in a rural farm area just a few miles north of me. The guy was looking for antiques. He saw an old farm with several out buildings and barn. He stopped to ask the old gentleman if he could look around and he said yes. He went into the barn and with a mountain of dust and an old tire on the hood he found a 1962 Impala SS 409, 4spd, convertible. It hadn't been driven since the 70's. It had the original paint, interior, everything. The mice and rats had done there usual damage. I've seen the pictures when he found it and before he pulled it out and after he pulled it out and loaded it up on the trailer. He cleaned it up and the paint was still in very good condition. The old farmer sold it to him for somewhere around $5000.
So it does happen but just very, very rarely.
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« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2014, 09:54:57 AM »

Must be the homeless who occupied the vacant structure took good care of the car---usually what you find in these places ,and met labs--low mileage 69 Z's are rare indeed.

Rear quarters and underneath are pretty clean for an old drag car. Funny mine had stone chips and a sheen of burnt rubber..

Yeah, THAT barn was staffed with a crew of maintenance techs, including paint man, engine man, exhaust man, etc.. Smiley
For a factory 'cowl hood', there were a LOT of the factory parts missing... Smiley     the engine was painted black, so had obviously been out and seen some work, and I *think* I saw 'mill marks' as opposed to 'broach marks' on the stamped engine pad...
and based on the number of 'class win' stickers from ATCO (NJ?) Rose Rita Sloan must have been one of the better lady drivers around... and only drove the car to/from the drag strip..?
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« Reply #8 on: January 24, 2014, 09:58:41 AM »

Interesting to note that the vin stamped on the trans is one digit off of the cars vin.
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« Reply #9 on: January 24, 2014, 10:10:09 AM »

Im not saying its bs or legit.  But there are certainly several things about the car that raises an eyebrow.  Its obvious things were added and changed out, freshened up etc.  Car has also been repainted or touched up.  You can see over spray or sanding dust in the trunk on the corner marker lights and wheel well humps.
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« Reply #10 on: January 24, 2014, 10:36:30 AM »

Im not saying its bs or legit.  But there are certainly several things about the car that raises an eyebrow.  Its obvious things were added and changed out, freshened up etc.  Car has also been repainted or touched up.  You can see over spray or sanding dust in the trunk on the corner marker lights and wheel well humps.


There is a lot of overspray. Krylon and Earl Sheib (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earl_Scheib) would be proud!!

I want to comment on the build date, 3E. This must have been a time when parts shortages where prevalent. I say this because I, too, have a 3E car (Yellow). 1st, according to the CRG production # by month chart, the last March car was 623587. This car (Ebay) is 1576 past that #, my car is almost 5000 units past that #! This illustrates, just because your tag has a certain date, it does not always correlate with the calendar date exactly(I believe it says this in the CRG report). 2nd, the drivetrain components,their dates are very close to car's build date(I am not trying to say anything is right or wrong, just an observation). Eng= 3/28, Rear = 3/31, whereas my car's rear is 4/07!! Think about how close these components are compared to the trim tags and Vin next time you're questioning whether an axle or whatever can be that close to the build date. 3rd, and last, I wonder why sell date (7-3) is almost 3 months after build date, could have been a sales demo? Just an observation.
Oh, and one other thing, I very much dislike the "barn find "over usage/mis-usage prevalent these days. Barn find can mean many different things depending where you are from. Just down the road, in Lexington,Ky (where thoroughbreds for the derby are raised) a barn can be a multi-million dollar edifice, much nicer than the majority of homes in this country and cleaner and warmer (right now). Here, where I live in S.W. Ohio, Appalachia, tobacco growing country, a barn is more of an open air shack with weathered siding,Rock foundation, tin roof, and dirt floor and mostly open to the elements and critters. A year or so in my barn, you would be sweeping up your car with a dust pan,lol. Although, I have seen some cool stuff found around these parts, just not in the best of shape though. My point, all around the country, barn find can mean different things and conjure up different images, but barn find to me usually would indicate a pretty rough car needing rust repair (moisture), paint (droppings from birds,coons etc...), and interior (mice, mold) and all rubber dry rotted as well.
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« Reply #11 on: January 24, 2014, 11:28:37 AM »

yup, my "barn" was built in 2006 ,concrete floor ,insulated/heated with a cat on duty for mouse control. So I guess when the car is  done I should have a professional photographer shoot pics of it in front of the dilapidated one down the street, and headline it " N/E Ohio Barn Find"


I really do not mind the sale's pitch, always buyer beware, just getting way overused. Takes away from the mystic of the true ones out there ,mouse turds and all.
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« Reply #12 on: January 24, 2014, 12:38:08 PM »

"barn find", and "survivor" are very loosely used these days, but catch buyers eyes (including mine). I stopped describing my car as a survivor, because of all over usage and marketing that surrounds the "survivor" tag these days. Unrestored is bland enough to cover my car. Smiley

As far as a barn or older building in a pic with my car. I have seen a couple of cool looking older barns that I thought would be a cool, one had a decent lean to it. It wouldn't be for the purpose of selling the car, just as a cool photo op for my own collection of pics.
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I want to comment on the build date, 3E. This must have been a time when parts shortages where prevalent. I say this because I, too, have a 3E car (Yellow). 1st, according to the CRG production # by month chart, the last March car was 623587. This car (Ebay) is 1576 past that #, my car is almost 5000 units past that #! This illustrates, just because your tag has a certain date, it does not always correlate with the calendar date exactly(I believe it says this in the CRG report). 2nd, the drivetrain components,their dates are very close to car's build date(I am not trying to say anything is right or wrong, just an observation). Eng= 3/28, Rear = 3/31, whereas my car's rear is 4/07!! Think about how close these components are compared to the trim tags and Vin next time you're questioning whether an axle or whatever can be that close to the build date. 3rd, and last, I wonder why sell date (7-3) is almost 3 months after build date, could have been a sales demo? Just an observation.
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You bring up an interesting point, AND it raises a *further goodie* of taking advantage of the NCRS' (soon to be provided) material on *actual production build date*.... Smiley   This one point would be worth the $50 when attempting to confirm a part as being 'possible' for your car...  and I think I just convinced myself of the advantage of purchasing the info, even if we already know the dealer/etc (as I do for my car)...
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« Reply #14 on: January 24, 2014, 01:19:42 PM »

I think unrestored is a great term, to the point--period. (Unrestored gem sounds pretty good in your case !)
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« Reply #15 on: January 24, 2014, 01:35:37 PM »

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You bring up an interesting point, AND it raises a *further goodie* of taking advantage of the NCRS' (soon to be provided) material on *actual production build date*.... Smiley   This one point would be worth the $50 when attempting to confirm a part as being 'possible' for your car...  and I think I just convinced myself of the advantage of purchasing the info, even if we already know the dealer/etc (as I do for my car)...

good point Gary. Instead of guest-imating based on build week and vin number having the exact day would be nice. I also think instead of just a letter with a gold seal, maybe a printed out copy of the microfiche with a guide on how to decipher it would be cool.

thanks for the kind words Jano. (The pictorial of your car through the years that you posted turned me into a big fan of your car) Wink
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« Reply #16 on: January 24, 2014, 02:01:54 PM »

I believe
Interesting to note that the vin stamped on the trans is one digit off of the cars vin.
I believe it's a typo. The trans VIN Matches the title and the code on the Protecto Plate. He has the correct VIN documented in the box with the vehicle's description. However, the narrative of the description is incorrect.
I also noticed that the Protecto Plate shows the rearend coded for BV; 410 gears and he describes it as 3.70
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« Reply #17 on: January 24, 2014, 03:23:33 PM »

I believe what Mr. Lillard is referring to is that the VIN is 9N62563 and the trans is stamped 9N626163
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« Reply #18 on: January 24, 2014, 04:18:32 PM »

I believe what Mr. Lillard is referring to is that the VIN is 9N62563 and the trans is stamped 9N626163

And to further confuse things, the seller's description states, "VIN # ON TRANS N625164".   Huh

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« Reply #19 on: January 24, 2014, 04:47:46 PM »

He also says built the 4th week of March and its a 03E.. Grin
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« Reply #20 on: January 24, 2014, 05:55:12 PM »

Wow, he stated "THE POPULAR THING TODAY IS TO KEEP THE CARS PATINA"! A shame it was lost in so many, many places with the black paint. Like the color combo though! Smiley
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« Reply #21 on: January 24, 2014, 06:03:26 PM »

Nice looking car YES
Barn Find Depends on your definition of BARN FIND
Did it have the black grille when it went into the barn?
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« Reply #22 on: January 24, 2014, 06:35:06 PM »

Maybe found in a barn or barn/like building where it was stored. Big deal, that means nothing. This is by no means a survivor. It just happens to be a low mileage car that is now for sale. It was beat to hell at the track, repainted, tons of wrong parts and numbers, from the Master cylinder up and down and then parked. Needs restoring for sure, thousands of dollars worth. There are so many nicer cars out there for the same money or less that J.M has documented that I would rather have it isn't funny. This guy is a classic car novice who sells diesel trucks for a living. I am not impressed... Danny
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« Reply #23 on: January 24, 2014, 06:46:03 PM »

Not a survivor, but at least it's a much better color than all those orange cars..... Smiley
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« Reply #24 on: January 24, 2014, 07:34:40 PM »

Wow--looking at it again ,really bad. Scary to think what's under the paint. Real shame there--far from a 70K Z.
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« Reply #25 on: January 24, 2014, 08:37:14 PM »

Not a survivor, but at least it's a much better color than all those orange cars..... Smiley

Kurt you had me laughing with that one.... Cheesy

surprised Gary hasn't chimed in with a response.

I do like the color, you see a lot of the blue, orange, green, I don't see as many burgundy. But i am sure those colors (blue, orange, green) ended up selling a lot of cars for them because of the popularity.
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« Reply #26 on: January 24, 2014, 08:46:28 PM »

Wow--looking at it again ,really bad. Scary to think what's under the paint. Real shame there--far from a 70K Z.
Yep, when one looks at the door jams & hinges, the underneath, and the engine compartment one has to know this car had a hard life and is no cherry...... Imagine if you could see it in person! Sad
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« Reply #27 on: January 24, 2014, 09:00:31 PM »

Not a survivor, but at least it's a much better color than all those orange cars..... Smiley

lol...

Wow--looking at it again ,really bad. Scary to think what's under the paint. Real shame there--far from a 70K Z.
Yep, when one looks at the door jams & hinges, the underneath, and the engine compartment one has to know this car had a hard life and is no cherry...... Imagine if you could see it in person! Sad

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« Reply #28 on: January 24, 2014, 09:32:32 PM »

Must have been hot in that barn, because the rear stripes shrunk! I call BS on this one
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« Reply #29 on: January 24, 2014, 09:39:19 PM »

Not a survivor, but at least it's a much better color than all those orange cars..... Smiley
Kurt you had me laughing with that one.... Cheesy
surprised Gary hasn't chimed in with a response.

I do like the color, you see a lot of the blue, orange, green, I don't see as many burgundy. But i am sure those colors (blue, orange, green) ended up selling a lot of cars for them because of the popularity.
Burgandy IS a nice color; lots better than all the blue and red camaros owned by guys that sooner or later want to repaint to *simulate* an Orange Hugger..  Smiley   But, it's very easy to understand their desire when one considers these other 'facts' about the 'Color Orange'... Smiley

1. "International orange is a color used in the aerospace industry to set objects apart from their surroundings, similar to safety orange".  This color is also VERY similar to Hugger orange, so perhaps that's why Chevrolet chose this color for their 'hugger' camaro, which has the safety aspect to set 'Hugger Orange Camaros apart - from all the plain jane colored cars, and alert other drivers to stay out of the way for their own safety? 
2. "Orange" is the 'color' worn by engineering graduate students during advanced degree graduation ceremonies. 
3.  Orange is a power color. It is one of the healing colors.  It also stimulates enthusiasm and creativity. Orange means vitality with endurance. People who like orange are usually thoughtful and sincere. Lady luck's color is orange. I have been told that if a change of any kind is need in life, just burn an orange candle for 7 nights.
4. Orange is a bright, provocative color. It's a hue we associate with sunset, reminds us of trick-or-treat, or brightens an otherwise dull day.
5. The color orange radiates warmth and happiness, combining the physical energy and stimulation of red with the cheerfulness of yellow.
6. With its enthusiasm for life, the color orange relates to adventure and risk-taking, inspiring physical confidence, competition and independence. 7. Those inspired by orange are always on the go!
8. the color Orange is extroverted and uninhibited, often encouraging exhibitionism or, at the very least, showing-off!
9. The color orange relates to social communication, stimulating two way conversations. A warm and inviting color, it is both physically and mentally stimulating, so it gets people thinking and talking!

There are many more, but I think this list more than adequately explains why EVERYONE has a secret desire for a HUGGER ORANGE Camaro.. Smiley
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« Reply #30 on: January 24, 2014, 10:59:08 PM »

Must have been hot in that barn, because the rear stripes shrunk! I call BS on this one
Did the stripes shrink? I think they were in the barn so long that they got lonely and moved closer together.
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« Reply #31 on: January 24, 2014, 11:12:59 PM »

Must have been hot in that barn, because the rear stripes shrunk! I call BS on this one
Did the stripes shrink? I think they were in the barn so long that they got lonely and moved closer together.
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« Reply #32 on: January 25, 2014, 12:49:44 AM »

I thought it was my car for a minute! Mine is 03D. Same colors. My block is 0307.
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« Reply #33 on: January 25, 2014, 03:31:38 AM »

Must have been hot in that barn, because the rear stripes shrunk! I call BS on this one
Well to be fair, the seller does say it had one repaint in 1981, which explains the incorrect rear stripe layout.
But I think I smell what you're calling on this one, at least on the story.
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« Reply #34 on: January 25, 2014, 06:31:53 AM »

Can't chime in on colors----with Ash Gold----it better be fast Grin ( sort of like naming your son Sue!) Johnny Cash?? Cheesy
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« Reply #35 on: January 25, 2014, 08:54:23 AM »

This is what my "Barn Find" motor looked like after 28 years in storage (well, it was really in a garage next to the house) - but you get the point.
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« Reply #36 on: January 25, 2014, 09:05:15 AM »

yup--looks just like a 68 SS El Camino I bought/sold about 2 years ago---shy of the mouse nest on the intake.
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« Reply #37 on: January 25, 2014, 11:46:32 AM »

very close to my car, 49 earlier and the block is the same date, V0328DZ mine is 03E also
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« Reply #38 on: January 25, 2014, 01:45:42 PM »

Nice pebble grain steering wheel, but no "302" emblems on the "original" hood
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« Reply #39 on: January 25, 2014, 02:13:32 PM »

This is what my "Barn Find" motor looked like after 28 years in storage (well, it was really in a garage next to the house) - but you get the point.

A great example of actual barn conditions. Makes me think of that recent Boss 302 that was a "barn find". That must have been some magical barn, because that car looked very well preserved in such conditions.
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« Reply #40 on: January 25, 2014, 06:24:37 PM »

When we pulled the engine/transmission  on my wife's car; for a rebuilding, we pushed it into an empty corner of a building my family owned.
I took my time rebuilding the engine; had a friend rebuild the transmission.    Just in the time it took to rebuild those, the under side of
her Camaro was home to many spider webs,  dust etc, that we had to clean off before reinstalling the engine/transmission.

Its always amazing to see a car labeled "barn find"; when the car looks really good.

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« Reply #41 on: January 26, 2014, 11:40:28 PM »

Did anyone notice at the end of the auction there were 40 bids @ 50,300.00 and at the last 5 seconds or so it dropped to 39 bidders
and 50,200.00.
 By the way the radiator appears to be for an automatic. I looked at both a manual and an auto, there should not be a circle near the
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« Reply #42 on: January 27, 2014, 12:41:39 AM »

  I knew a guy who found a '69 Z/28 in the late '70s. It was advertised in the paper as a 1969 Chevrolet 2-door sedan. An old woman was selling it. Her son had been killed in Vietnam and it had sat in an old carshed for years. He answered the ad and she led him out behind her house and opened the doors and there sat a 1969 Z/28 with 32,000 miles on it--completely original. Dark red with black stripes and cowl hood. He gave her $1200 for it, got it running, and drove it away. But the story didn't end happily. One night he was winding the 302 out and lost control and wrapped the thing around a telephone pole at over 100 mph. He survived but the car was completely destroyed. What a shame.
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« Reply #43 on: January 27, 2014, 03:08:27 AM »

  I knew a guy who found a '69 Z/28 in the late '70s. It was advertised in the paper as a 1969 Chevrolet 2-door sedan. An old woman was selling it. Her son had been killed in Vietnam and it had sat in an old carshed for years. He answered the ad and she led him out behind her house and opened the doors and there sat a 1969 Z/28 with 32,000 miles on it--completely original. Dark red with black stripes and cowl hood. He gave her $1200 for it, got it running, and drove it away. But the story didn't end happily. One night he was winding the 302 out and lost control and wrapped the thing around a telephone pole at over 100 mph. He survived but the car was completely destroyed. What a shame.

Sounds like he was "Riding With Private Malone"...  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gh1m0eC1004

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« Reply #44 on: January 31, 2014, 08:43:23 AM »

Did anyone notice at the end of the auction there were 40 bids @ 50,300.00 and at the last 5 seconds or so it dropped to 39 bidders
and 50,200.00.
 By the way the radiator appears to be for an automatic. I looked at both a manual and an auto, there should not be a circle near the
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« Reply #45 on: January 31, 2014, 01:27:00 PM »

well I see he changed the price in the description to 65k from 69.5k. His best chance was the first time he listed it. Any time a car gets re-listed weather its R & M Barret jackson, or what ever all the excitement is gone and questions arise if you have to re-list it.most of the time the never gets near where it went the first time.
Good luck with that car, I think all our members did a great job picking it apart, for any potential buyers here.
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« Reply #46 on: January 31, 2014, 01:29:18 PM »

I assume you really meant 'notating it's deficiencies' rather than 'picking it apart'??  Smiley
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« Reply #47 on: January 31, 2014, 02:44:17 PM »

I assume you really meant 'notating it's deficiencies' rather than 'picking it apart'??  Smiley
   I had to chuckle at this.....At work we are having a restructure and layoffs as a result. The people making the decisions are of the younger crowd so loyalty to the company no longer matters and has been replaced by increasing profits to the share holders regardless. Anyhow...they no longer say people were terminated, let go, fired etc..... The new word is "they have transitioned from the company". I guess this sounds less harsher and more PC today.  Wink

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« Reply #48 on: January 31, 2014, 02:49:54 PM »

I do not believe that Drivers dash should be wood grain. Or else so should the steering wheel center. I think the wheel is correct.
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« Reply #49 on: January 31, 2014, 04:12:42 PM »

I assume you really meant 'notating it's deficiencies' rather than 'picking it apart'??  Smiley
"Sorry" if you old gear heads assume I am one of these liberal granola brains politically correct types. I am one of the younger guys here, but I  just call it like I see it, and apologize if I make a mistake or step on somebodies toes.
But in the case of this car the seller invites criticism by calling it a "barn find", he may not realize all that is incorrect or been changed in the 22k of miles it accumulated. I also think ignorance is no excuse. If your selling a car for that much money know what you are talking about, instead trying to sound like you know.
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« Reply #50 on: January 31, 2014, 04:17:42 PM »

I assume you really meant 'notating it's deficiencies' rather than 'picking it apart'??  Smiley
  I had to chuckle at this.....At work we are having a restructure and layoffs as a result. The people making the decisions are of the younger crowd so loyalty to the company no longer matters and has been replaced by increasing profits to the share holders regardless. Anyhow...they no longer say people were terminated, let go, fired etc..... The new word is "they have transitioned from the company". I guess this sounds less harsher and more PC today.  Wink
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'transitioned'..  ugh...  the ones that should 'transition' are the ones coining these terms and making these decisions...
Yeah, it sucks ...  I'm sure the 'doublespeak' that is common today results from 'conditioned learning'  as taught by our federal government 'leaders' (the worst doublespeak term of all)..   The older I get the less patience I have with all that crap.. Sad
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« Reply #51 on: February 07, 2014, 02:18:46 PM »

Nice looking car. Black grill. Could have sworn I saw this one at a car show in CT 10-12 years ago. I think I remember the Atco stickers, but not sure. Love the color.
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« Reply #52 on: February 10, 2014, 12:06:19 AM »

I am getting a little tired of seeing "barn finds" - I prefer the term "barn car". Here's my version of a true "barn car" - the car and the barn are legitimate ( a little dark, but you get the picture). Barn storage, even with rodents, birds, skunks, possums and cats, is still preferable to outside storage any day of the week. The causation is lack of space; or really, a lack of funding to expand the garage or build one large enough to accommodate the hobby.

Donations accepted for the "Save the Camaro" fund - LOL.

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« Reply #53 on: February 10, 2014, 12:27:55 AM »

I'll "save" it in my heated garage, just put the pink slip in the glove box for me... Wink
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« Reply #54 on: February 11, 2014, 04:10:18 PM »

We should probably start by buying you a plastic tarp for the ground underneath the car?? Smiley
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« Reply #55 on: February 14, 2014, 03:53:30 PM »

WTF?! http://www.ebay.com/itm/Chevrolet-Camaro-Z-28-1969-CHEVROLET-CAMARO-Z28-DZ-302-s-MATCHING-/171242694494?forcerrptr=true&hash=item27dedc275e&item=171242694494&pt=US_Cars_Trucks Asking $28,500??? New Seller with no feedback?? Huh Roll Eyes Huh Roll Eyes    Kiss that's for VD (Valentines Day silly)
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« Reply #56 on: February 14, 2014, 04:02:50 PM »

That asking price has to be an error. I'll buy it now at 28K if it's legit and real and I'm no Z-28 lover.
Why even have a bid for it and not a Buy Me Now option?

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« Reply #57 on: February 14, 2014, 07:37:20 PM »

the seller has zero feedback, I would stay skeptical, especially since it has been listed twice already.
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« Reply #58 on: February 14, 2014, 08:16:47 PM »

 I had sent the seller an email to clarify if the asking price of $26K was in in error and if it isn't an then why not a 'buy me now' option instead of a bid.
My thinking is this person is new and possibly didn't submit the ad correctly.

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« Reply #59 on: February 14, 2014, 09:20:15 PM »

I had sent the seller an email to clarify if the asking price of $26K was in in error and if it isn't an then why not a 'buy me now' option instead of a bid.
My thinking is this person is new and possibly didn't submit the ad correctly.

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scroll down to bottom of add "ASKING PRICE FOR THIS BEAUTY IS $28.5K."quote, copied and pasted here. Something is up,I'll say scam.
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« Reply #60 on: February 15, 2014, 09:10:55 AM »

Interesting...as of this morning it looks like the car was taken off eBay......
This listing (171242694494) has been removed, or this item is not available


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« Reply #61 on: February 15, 2014, 12:36:49 PM »

Thats what happens when someone hijacks your auction. Good eyes CRG
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« Reply #62 on: February 18, 2014, 08:34:05 PM »

Here is an update to this car and I hope it is the last we see of it.
  As was brought to the attention of CRG about the sale reappearing for a third time and for much less than the supposedly ~$51,000 selling price of the previous two auctions, I decided to send the seller ( eBay ID: banksjune ) on Feb 14th an email through eBay inquiring if the $28,500 price was in error. If not in error then I would have certainly driven to see the car and inspect it with an appraiser for that price.
  I received a reply from a person purportedly to be a Lt General <name withheld> in the USAF on Feb 15th.  The email exchanges ceased after my last email to him (see below). I have even reached out to the vendor (diesel-truck-king) who advertised the Camaro for sale explaining the situation and if the car was really sold. I have not received any replies from that vendor in days and yet I see he/she is giving recent feedbacks so someone is ‘home’.
  Interesting enough is when you look at the relisted eBay auction for this car, it has a winning bid of $51,100 from an eBay id of v***g and yet when you look at the feedback on diesel-truck-king profile the buyer ID is now p***a  for $51,100 and not v***g (see attached images). I understand eBay hides the full names but do they show them differently between bid history and feedback?
Below is my email to diesel-truck-king:
Hello,

Recently you had a 1969 Z-28 'Barn Find' Camaro for sale. It was listed twice and both times had a buyer for approximately $50K. I figured the first time there was buyer remorse so they backed out. I had seen the ad listed for a 3rd time late last week for a $28K price and the same VIN. The eBay link is no longer valid which is unusual even for sold items. I had sent the seller a question verifying the $28K selling price and he replied to me and is looking to sell the car. Something doesn't feel right about this recent communication which is why I am reaching out to you. Was this car sold?

Thank you,
Mike


 Anyhow…to show you the correspondence of my email exchanges with the alleged USAF person, read on below. Out of respect for the real person whose name was used in this obvious scam attempt, I have removed the name. Interesting enough, all email was sent to my yahoo account instead of my eBay account, which was my first red flag.
The second flag is the different fonts used in each reply and sentence structure. My third reply is when all communications stopped from this person.

Below is the email thread with the earliest at the top. Check out the URL for the photos and see it was an anonymous upload:
> Hello,
>  
> My name is <name withheld>
> and I would like to thank you for contacting me regarding
> the 1969 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 DZ 302 Trim that I
> have for sale on eBay.
>
> Few
> details about the car:
> Original Mileage:
> 22326
> Vehicle Title: Clear
> Transmission: Manual
> Engine: 5.0
> DZ-302
> Exterior
> Color: Burgundy
> Interior Color: Black
> VIN: 124379N625163
> Photos: http://www.use.com/6242ca218ba599cc7d8a
> The full
> price for the car will be $28500 and I will only deliver the
> car as I am located at Joint Base Elmendorf-Richardson,
> Alaska and can't meet you. The car is located in
> Alexandria, VA at the delivery company. The delivery taxes
> are included in the price.I would like this transaction to
> be done through eBay.Let me know if this is ok for you and I
> will offer you more details about the sale.
>  
> Thank
> you
> Lt. Gen. <name withheld>
>
> P.S. This car has been owned by
> my son who died by cancer and I want to sell it kind of
> cheap in his memory.


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> Hello Mr. <name withheld>,
>
> Thank you for replying to my inquiry. I'm sorry to hear about your son's passing.
> I had seen this lovely car on eBay under Item number: 221357939653 in January.
> I'm a little confused as what happened to cause the bid to close and reappear again this past week.
> This is the same car VIN in the two ads. Would I be able to inspect it with an appraiser at the delivery location?
>
> Thank you,
> Mike XXXXXXX


His second reply:
Hello again,

The truck is already at the delivery company in Alexandria, VA crated and ready for delivery. I have setup this sale with eBay so this deal must go through them.
Unfortunately I'm not near you so I can't meet in person with you so this is the reason why I chose to sell my truck on internet.
In order to complete this deal the payment must be sent to eBay. As soon as they receive the payment will notify me to start with delivery. The delivery cost is included in the price. The delivery company is DAS (dependable auto shippers)
eBay will not release the payment to me until you receive and inspect the truck (you have 10 days for inspection). If the truck is not in same condition as I said you will ship it back on my expense and eBay will send you a full refund. But I assure you won't be the case. Now, if you are serious about this and want to move forward, just mail me back with:
- Your Full Name - Required by eBay (You'll receive important guidelines + payment instructions from them.)
- Your Delivery Address and Phone Number
As soon as I will receive the details from you, I will forward them to eBay and declare you as the buyer. They will contact you with further information regarding payment and delivery.
 
Thanks you
Lt. Gen. <name withheld>


PS:The truck comes with all the documents ( title, bill of sale, full service records, etc.) It has a clear title in my name. The title will be signed into your name as soon as the payment will be sent to eBay.


My third reply:
Hello Mr. <name withheld>,

  
I'm somewhat confused about this cars recent selling history which I'm sure you can clarify.
I had seen this eBay ad in January as eBay item number :221357939653
( http://www.ebay.com/itm/Chevrolet-Camaro-Z-28-1969-chevrolet-camaro-z-28-dz-302-s-matching-22-k-actual-miles-rare-no-reserve-/221357939653?forcerrptr=true&hash=item3389f61bc5&item=221357939653&pt=US_Cars_Trucks ) and it looks like it ended Jan 26th due to a winning bid of $52,200.

   It was re-listed again under eBay item number: 221365150446 ( http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&vxp=mtr&item=221365150446 ) and ended Feb 9th with a winning bid of $51,100.
 It then reappeared as eBay item: 171242694494 ( http://www.ebay.com/itm/Chevrolet-Camaro-Z-28-1969-CHEVROLET-CAMARO-Z28-DZ-302-s-MATCHING-/171242694494?forcerrptr=true&hash=item27dedc275e&item=171242694494&pt=US_Cars_Trucks) which is when I asked you a question about the price. This latest URL no longer appears to go to the link to the car for sale.

  Your second reply mentions about selling your truck (instead of the Camaro Z-28). Can you post the current eBay link to the Camaro that is supposed to be used for the transaction?
 
Thank You,
Mike XXXXXX


****************************** end of emails ********************


Below are screen shots of the bid history and feedback I mentioned above.

Ah yes….As the old saying goes…."if it looks too good to be true….."
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« Reply #63 on: February 21, 2014, 10:36:47 AM »

A lot of scammers are now trying to come off as being military to add credibility to their scam. I was playing with a scumbag selling a John Deere farm tractor who claimed to be a LtCol in the Corps. I could tell right off they were full of it. Man I wish I could have met them in person... Couldn't have afforded the trip to Nigeria though lol
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« Reply #64 on: March 21, 2014, 06:27:49 PM »

.......and then there is this......

http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2014/03/21/pristine-167-chevrolet-corvette-found-in-garage-to-be-auctioned/?intcmp=trending

"This 47 year-old car didn’t just run when it was parked a quarter century ago, it practically still had that new car smell.
A 1967 Chevrolet Corvette with just 2,996 miles on the odometer and one of the most interesting tales to tell is going on sale at the Mecum Auctions Houston event in April.

The 427/390 hp V8-powered coupe was purchased in 1966 by 30-year-old Don McNamara of Colorado Springs, with $5,000 he won on a trip he made to Las Vegas to celebrate his retirement from the U.S. Marines.

For a few months afterward, the very private McNamara was occasionally seen tooling around town in the distinctive white two-door with its red “stinger” stripe on the hood, but soon it disappeared and was never spotted again -- until 2011, when McNamara died and left his estate to his neighbors, who discovered the car parked in his garage under a shipping blanket festooned with American and Marine Corps flags.[/td][/tr][/table]Though he’d told anyone who asked that he didn’t own the car anymore, it turned out that McNamara had been secretly driving it at night, having decided not to pay the title and license renewal fees after his first year of ownership. The man who never had a credit card or checking account apparently saw this as his personal version of pure American freedom.

According to Mecum, McNamara finally parked it for good in the mid-1980s, having been the only person who ever drove it. Only two others had sat behind the wheel, and the passenger seat was never used. It’s never been in the rain; it's never been washed with water.

The couple that inherited it sold it in 2012 to Dr. Mark Davis, a collector who has displayed it at a few events and is now sending it across the block in Houston. There’s no telling what it is worth.

According to the Hagerty price guide, a typical top condition 1967 427 Corvette with a 4-speed manual goes for around $114,000, but this one is far from typical.
Along with the extremely low miles, it comes with the original window sticker and documentation, plus McNamara’s driver’s license and other artifacts related to his ownership of the car.

If a picture of this car is worth 1,000 words, the whole kit and caboodle should be enough write a novel with.

And with a backstory like this, someone probably will.”[/
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« Reply #65 on: March 21, 2014, 06:46:29 PM »

 Here is more on the Vette
http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/2014/02/21/big-block-1967-corvette-with-3000-miles-could-fetch-800000-at-auction/

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« Reply #66 on: March 21, 2014, 08:24:49 PM »

 I had read about this a few months ago. Very cool story and car, will be interesting to see what it brings.
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« Reply #67 on: March 21, 2014, 09:26:49 PM »

Unrestored seems to be the hot button right now, almost no matter what the make and model. Even 4 doors believe it or not in nice original shape have been getting some good coin.
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« Reply #68 on: March 21, 2014, 10:35:19 PM »

Unrestored seems to be the hot button right now, almost no matter what the make and model. Even 4 doors believe it or not in nice original shape have been getting some good coin.


It's about time. Maybe it will slow some of these restorations down a bit...although I don't think it will. Some people out there can't afford those extremely high prices the restored cars command but can afford a decent driver. I have quite a few friends that had decent cars when they were younger but can only find them restored or too far gone to be street-able. Your either rich or poor these days, nothing in between.
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« Reply #69 on: March 21, 2014, 10:40:06 PM »

Amen. Those with money seem to be a smaller sample size than the ones without -
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« Reply #70 on: March 21, 2014, 11:23:32 PM »

I use to think I was upper middle class up to about 2000, but in reality it's more lower middle class now. Boy, I can't wait to see what it's going to be like when I OFFICIALLY retire in 2 years. I'm semi retired now and it sucks.  Shocked Roll Eyes
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« Reply #71 on: March 22, 2014, 10:59:01 AM »

I use to think I was upper middle class up to about 2000, but in reality it's more lower middle class now. Boy, I can't wait to see what it's going to be like when I OFFICIALLY retire in 2 years. I'm semi retired now and it sucks.  Shocked Roll Eyes

I'm in the same boat, except that retirement is getting farther away rather than closer. I'll have to work 'till I'm 90 to pay off the college bills and eveything else - then maybe I can restart my "hobby" (also read as "affliction").
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« Reply #72 on: March 22, 2014, 04:37:55 PM »

I use to think I was upper middle class up to about 2000, but in reality it's more lower middle class now. Boy, I can't wait to see what it's going to be like when I OFFICIALLY retire in 2 years. I'm semi retired now and it sucks.  Shocked Roll Eyes

I'm in the same boat, except that retirement is getting farther away rather than closer. I'll have to work 'till I'm 90 to pay off the college bills and eveything else - then maybe I can restart my "hobby" (also read as "affliction").


Both of you are correct....almost behooves you to plan for a retirement "career"  I work with quite a few younger medical professionals in a sideline career, all of them say between 6 figure student loans ,trying to start a family...money really is not available to put a substantial amount away for retirement. They see it as a pipe dream.

Like probably quite a few on this site ,my car's not for sale, but could never really justify buying it what it's worth...hypothetically speaking. Tax time ,always puts me in a foul mood!
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