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« Reply #420 on: July 27, 2014, 02:31:26 PM »

Dennis you got me by 500 :-)  Here is a car listed on ebay and his VIN is close to us, funny how the trim tags work out though my VIN is after his but his trim tag is about 9000 higher then mine.  http://www.ebay.com/itm/301250144385?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
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« Reply #421 on: July 27, 2014, 02:46:39 PM »

So what which car would have made it out the door first? Does your earlier trim tag indicate your car just left the fisher plant before his, but once it was at GM, his got done first? What is the build week of his car vs. yours?
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« Reply #422 on: July 29, 2014, 10:51:03 AM »

So what which car would have made it out the door first? Does your earlier trim tag indicate your car just left the fisher plant before his, but once it was at GM, his got done first? What is the build week of his car vs. yours?

The body number was assigned when the plant accepted the order for production, not when the body was built, so there could be a relatively short time span or a much longer span, depending on material availability, sales priorities, etc. Once the Fisher body was received at the Chevrolet Body Bank and the VIN was assigned, it would be unusual for the body release to the Chevrolet assembly system to be delayed more than a few hours.
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« Reply #423 on: July 29, 2014, 10:52:08 AM »


So what which car would have made it out the door first? Does your earlier trim tag indicate your car just left the fisher plant before his, but once it was at GM, his got done first? What is the build week of his car vs. yours?

The 1969 body number was assigned when the plant accepted the order for production, not when the body was built, so there could be a relatively short time span or a much longer span, depending on material availability, sales priorities, etc. Once the Fisher body was received at the Chevrolet Body Bank and the VIN was assigned, it would be unusual for the body release to the Chevrolet assembly system to be delayed more than a few hours.
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« Reply #424 on: July 29, 2014, 11:14:59 AM »

thanks for the explanation.
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« Reply #425 on: July 29, 2014, 02:59:21 PM »


So what which car would have made it out the door first? Does your earlier trim tag indicate your car just left the fisher plant before his, but once it was at GM, his got done first? What is the build week of his car vs. yours?

The 1969 body number was assigned when the plant accepted the order for production, not when the body was built, so there could be a relatively short time span or a much longer span, depending on material availability, sales priorities, etc. Once the Fisher body was received at the Chevrolet Body Bank and the VIN was assigned, it would be unusual for the body release to the Chevrolet assembly system to be delayed more than a few hours.


So was there planning coordination between Fisher and Chevrolet so that Fisher did not release orders to the system which might have material availability issues on the Chevrolet side? There must have been, or some type of central planning?
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« Reply #426 on: July 29, 2014, 05:02:47 PM »

Absolutely, GM determined when a particular car was to be built based on their schedules, and their part availablilities and Fisher built it.  There wasn't really much on the fisher side of the plant that could result in a material shortage that wouldn't alos affect the GM side.  Maybe things like convertible and vinyl tops in certain colors, some interior peices, etc.  Most of fishers parts were sheetmetal stampings that were not specific to a certain vehicle, like a 302 engine, or an M22 transmission. I'm sure there were some things on the Fisher side that could delay a build, but most of them was probably on GMs side.
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« Reply #427 on: July 29, 2014, 07:52:10 PM »

Mark,
 My 05C has a birth date of 5/6/68, seems odd to me. Any thoughts?
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« Reply #428 on: July 30, 2014, 03:23:12 PM »

Is your VIN in the 9N645XXX range (+/- 1000), or higher than that?  If its in the mid 640's and the tag is original, then it was scheduled to be built during the third week of May but was pulled forward for some reason.  If its VIN is significantly higher than the 9N645xxx range then your birth date is wrong, and is probably more inline with the tag date.
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« Reply #429 on: July 30, 2014, 04:14:57 PM »

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 Thank you for the reply, It's a 1968 LA built car, 340398.
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« Reply #430 on: July 30, 2014, 09:12:59 PM »

April and May of 68 LA cars have some unique trim tag build dates, there are several very long build weeks and some missing weeks around this time.  Must have been a new guy on the tag machine.   

Is this an "Ixxx" work order number car? 

First LA VIN for calendar month of May is supposed to be 338365 and LA was building about 3500 Camaros a month according to GMs records but I think those records are off a bit.  But an 05C dated tag on your vin is consistant with vin numbers close to yours.
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« Reply #431 on: July 31, 2014, 08:31:12 AM »

Absolutely, GM determined when a particular car was to be built based on their schedules, and their part availablilities and Fisher built it.  There wasn't really much on the fisher side of the plant that could result in a material shortage that wouldn't alos affect the GM side.  Maybe things like convertible and vinyl tops in certain colors, some interior peices, etc.  Most of fishers parts were sheetmetal stampings that were not specific to a certain vehicle, like a 302 engine, or an M22 transmission. I'm sure there were some things on the Fisher side that could delay a build, but most of them was probably on GMs side.

So was Fisher sort of like a supplier to Chevrolet in that Fisher's production was to produce bodies for orders placed by Chevrolet?
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« Reply #432 on: July 31, 2014, 09:20:44 AM »

Absolutely, GM determined when a particular car was to be built based on their schedules, and their part availablilities and Fisher built it.  There wasn't really much on the fisher side of the plant that could result in a material shortage that wouldn't alos affect the GM side.  Maybe things like convertible and vinyl tops in certain colors, some interior peices, etc.  Most of fishers parts were sheetmetal stampings that were not specific to a certain vehicle, like a 302 engine, or an M22 transmission. I'm sure there were some things on the Fisher side that could delay a build, but most of them was probably on GMs side.

So was Fisher sort of like a supplier to Chevrolet in that Fisher's production was to produce bodies for orders placed by Chevrolet?

Yes. Retail customers didn't order BODIES, they ordered CARS. Chevrolet ordered the body needed to fill a dealer order from Fisher Body, completed the Trim-Chassis-Final assembly when they got the body, and shipped the car to the dealer. This business model confused people for 65 years, and Fisher Body Division was finally eliminated as a separate operation in GM's 1985 re-organization.
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« Reply #433 on: July 31, 2014, 11:47:35 AM »

Way back in the dawn of automobile manufacturing (and probably before) Fisher Coach was its own company building bodies of cars, wagons, etc for other companies that build the chassis and running gears, similar to Pinifarina in Europe, and half a dozen coach builders here in the US.  Back in the 20's and 30's you could have a custom body contructed to be put on most any higher end chassis.  Fisher plants were co located with the GM assembly plants but maintained a mostly separate organization.  They were esentially subcontractors to GM assembling "Body Tubs" for GM to finish assembling into completed cars.  GM paid Fisher for each Body Tub they assembled.  

Before 1926 fisher was building bodies for just about anyone in Detroit that was building cars. Between 1916 and 1926 they had a capcity of 370000 bodies a year and they built for  Abbot, Buick, Cadillac, Chalmers, Chandler, Chevrolet, Churchfield, Elmore, EMF, Ford, Herreshoff, Hudson, Krit, Oldsmobile, Packard, Regal, and Studebaker.

Back in 1926  Fisher Body was bought out by GM (they already owned 60% of Fishers Shares) and they became a separate Division within GM.  GM complained that Fisher built their assembly plant too far away from GMs plants and were therby holding their production up, so they bought them and moved their plants next to GM assembly plants to cut down on delays.  Fisher was paid on cost plus basis and allegedly had some inefficient processes that were increasing the prices of the bodies that GM had to pay.  So GM felt it was in their best interest to buy Fisher body up, locate the assembly plants near theirs, and change their processes to be more efficient.  Up until about the mid 70's they remained a separate division within GM but at that point they were completely absorbed and just became part of GM.  Up until that time they maintained their own separate identity, organization and personel.
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« Reply #434 on: July 31, 2014, 12:18:35 PM »

Mark,
 I had never heard that there was a trim tag snafu in April and May of 68 at the LA plant (I have heard about the 1969 NOR 6A tags). Could you expand, if possable about the 68  LA snafu?
  I will check the body # when I get home.
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