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« on: September 15, 2006, 02:02:58 PM »

I have a 69 327/210 hp.  There is weather stripping under the hood in front of the radiator as well as around the windshield cowling.  Was this standard or did someone decide to get fancy?  I am the fourth owner.  Spring loaded "t clips"  for lack of the correct name hold the weather strip in place.  Replace the weather strip or remove and live with the holes is the question?

2nd question...is there a source that gives accurate info on under the hood decals and placements for the non-Z28 & SS models?

thanks,  Greg
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« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2006, 09:45:58 AM »

Greg,

Does your car have factory A/C? If so, then yes, you should have a strip of weatherstripping on the top of the Radiator Support. (All cars recieved weatherstripping on the Cowl.)

2. No one source that I know of. The A.I.M. is pretty good, but even it doesn't show all the decals. Which ones are you having trouble with?

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« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2006, 11:40:02 PM »

Greg, dunno about '69s, but my '68 Assembly Manual shows decal placements such as emissions specs underhood, as well as others. For a few bucks it's well worth the read. It has RPO codes and related extra part information (such as your a/c seal on the radiator) and will show you virtually every part, give part #s, torque specs and other information on your car. Rick's, Year One, all the repro guys have them. A Fisher Body manual will tell you about most trim, window and interior questions. Great way to spend a few rainy afternoons. My 2 cents and good luck! 
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« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2006, 08:18:05 AM »

Ed,
  Yes it does have factory air.  Thanks for that info and quick reply.    Looks like I am out to buy the assembly manual and Fischer Body manual.  As far as the declas go, I just want to add the proper ones under the hood.  The emissions decal on the air cleaner cowl, if it is supposed to have one, the Harrison evaporator box decal, and fan shroud caution decal.  Others in question that are not under the hood are the tire pressure decal inside the driver's door, "astro ventilation decal"  and others.  I will start with the manuals referenced in the replies.

Again, thanks much...

Greg

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« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2006, 09:05:02 AM »

Greg, nice to see you found "THE SITE".   I am gald you are keeping your car original.   I should have the books you need to check you decals.   I found mine on Ebay.   Just email me if you need help.     Cheesy I shine my 3rd place, I mean 5th place trophy daily.  Hope to see you October 28th.
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« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2006, 10:16:40 AM »

and fan shroud caution decal.

There was never a fan shroud "caution" sticker - that's a Ford part that many of the vendors still think goes on Camaros, made "famous" by all the "restored" cars on eBay that have them. Sad
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« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2006, 04:22:34 PM »

Thanks all for the good info...this is the best Camaro group forum out there.  The fan shroud sticker comes off tonight. 
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« Reply #7 on: September 18, 2006, 04:35:10 PM »

Fireman John,
  I should be there in Oct.  Now I have to figure out how to post a photo of my 69...
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« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2006, 10:24:53 PM »

Hey John--the off-brand Ford guys needed that sticker because if they'd buy a Ford they're too dumb to know a fan on a running engine will cut your fingers off! Long live the General!
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« Reply #9 on: September 18, 2006, 10:33:53 PM »

Greg,

Does your car have factory A/C? If so, then yes, you should have a strip of weatherstripping on the top of the Radiator Support. (All cars recieved weatherstripping on the Cowl.)

2. No one source that I know of. The A.I.M. is pretty good, but even it doesn't show all the decals. Which ones are you having trouble with?

Ed

This is a new one for me. There is a weather strip on top of the radiator support? I do not recal seeing that before.

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« Reply #10 on: September 18, 2006, 11:43:50 PM »

Gary, the a/c cars had the strip to divert more air at speed through the condenser as I understand it. Greg...I can tell you that on '68s the tire pressure "decal" was on the inside of the glovebox door, and the the Astro Ventilation "decals" were on the door windows at the "V" where the window met the windshield post in the front. On an interesting sidenote, the "Positraction" decals in the trunk weren't decals at all, as the repro guys sell them; They were plain pieces of printed paper glued on with adhesive squirted from a glue gun. Hope this helps. 
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« Reply #11 on: September 19, 2006, 12:00:59 AM »

Gary,

Yes, there were actually a couple of engine compartment "Seals" that were included with the A/C option. Here's a picture of the Radiator Support Seal, but there were others as well, all listed under Group 1.270 in the P&A. I don't think these are being repopped, so unless the original is still in good shape, most people just rip it off!

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« Reply #12 on: September 20, 2006, 12:32:31 PM »

If it is not being repopped take a piece of the old one and compare it to the cowl to hood seal (on the top of the wiper cowl) on a late 68- 72 A body or B body GM car... it looks very close to them. If they are not close post a photo of the cross section... I have some other ideas on close matches.
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« Reply #13 on: September 20, 2006, 01:30:16 PM »

The weather stripping in the photo above is identical to the one on my 69.  It is also quite different from the weather stripping at the cowl to hood.  I have looked in several catalogs and since called Rick's.  That part is no longer being reproduced...I'm interested in your other ideas on close matches...
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« Reply #14 on: September 20, 2006, 03:23:42 PM »

Three questions:
1. Does the P&A list other models that had this seal?  (Maybe those would turn up in the junk yard.)
2. Is there a P/N, description, and/or picture of the clips?
3. Exactly where are the holes for the clips?
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« Reply #15 on: September 20, 2006, 03:59:23 PM »

Not the cowl to hood seal on a camaro... the one for a GTO or Chevelle. It is very different.
Maybe the cowl to hood seal on a second gen Camaro... if you can take a picture of the cross section with a ruler showing the width and height that would be very helpful.
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« Reply #16 on: September 20, 2006, 06:27:10 PM »

1968 Nova's and Camaro's used the same seal, P/N 3937126, with a note to "Cut as required" on the Nova. No listing of ANY seals for 67 and no listing for the Radiator Support seal for 69, although there are other seals listed for "68 and 69".

I looked in the Price and Accessories Schedule, and P/N 3937126 was only used on Chevrolet cars. What's really interesting is that the 68 A.I.M. has a note (#10) for the seal to "Remove backing for installation", indicating that the seal used double sided tape to apply to the support.

Someone will have to take a look at the 67 A.I.M. to see what (if any) parts were used, and the 69 A.I.M. to see if the P/N is the same as the 68.

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« Reply #17 on: September 20, 2006, 08:45:11 PM »

What's really interesting is that the 68 A.I.M. has a note (#10) for the seal to "Remove backing for installation", indicating that the seal used double sided tape to apply to the support.

That helps!  I have original factory air on my 68, but no seal... and no holes for clips. 
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« Reply #18 on: September 20, 2006, 10:27:08 PM »

I checked my 67 AIM, C60 section... no mention of the rad. support seal
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« Reply #19 on: September 20, 2006, 10:48:39 PM »

Phil; the '68  GM seal part #s are #3937126 for the top of the radiator support, #3937127/3937128 for the L&R top of the radiator, #3937131 for the bottom of the radiator, and #3937188 for the side seals. The top radiator support and radiator seals had a self-adhesive backing. The side seals used wire staples GM#9985029 identical to the A-frame fenderwell shields. Dunno about a '69, but the '68s used no clips. There were also LH and RH baffles, GM #3937129/3937130. This is for standard Camaros, not convertibles. Thus sayeth my Assembly Manual. Hope this helps.
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« Reply #20 on: September 20, 2006, 10:50:11 PM »

Okay then. Looks like the seal didn't start until 68. I wonder if there were complaints...

And, after doing a little digging, I found the 69 AIM page showing the seal. Different P/N and different means of attaching.

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« Reply #21 on: September 20, 2006, 11:17:50 PM »

I hope Greg has bought an Assemby Manual, Ed--they've saved my butt more than once! Funny how one model year to another can be so much the same, yet so different.
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« Reply #22 on: September 21, 2006, 03:02:47 PM »

That top seal served two purposes - it blocked airflow over the top of the radiator support, and with the rest of the seal package, forced all air coming through the grille to go through the radiator instead of around it. It also served to block recirculation of hot underhood air at idle over the top of the radiator support and back through the radiator, so the radiator (and A/C condenser) only saw outside ambient air, not hot underhood air.
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« Reply #23 on: September 21, 2006, 04:44:08 PM »

I'd love to know if GM found a problem in the 67 that made them put the seal on the 68...
I figure the "stickum" on the 68 seal probably didn't last till you got home being exposed to motor heat, so the clips in 69 make sense.
And after John's explanation, I think I'll try to find the seal and clips and put them on my 68 original or not.  My car doesn't overheat with the A/C running, but I can tell it doesn't get real happy about it in July.
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« Reply #24 on: September 22, 2006, 09:50:22 AM »

I have the 69 Service manual and the Wiring Diagram manuals.  I an going to buy the assembly manual next.  Is the Fisher Body manual a good one to have?  I am thinking of getting that one as well.   Thank you all for your inputs...this has been a big help.

cheers,  Greg
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« Reply #25 on: September 22, 2006, 11:09:33 PM »

Yep Greg..get it. The GM manuals have the dangest info you'd never expect. You can literally rebuild a car by them. The Body Manual is amazing....from setting the 1/4-window clearances to how to replace the windshield or align moldings, it's all there. And it's knowledge the GM mechanics went by in the day. Absolutely priceless information.
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