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« on: January 05, 2014, 04:26:22 PM »

http://autos.yahoo.com/news/2014-chevrolet-camaro-z-28-costs-75-000-201554666.html

This might kill some of the enthusiasm for the new Z28... ??
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« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2014, 04:30:31 PM »

 That's priced outside the range of the regular folks.
Honestly, I hate the new Camaro body. If I were to buy a new car today it would definitely be the new Challenger R/T.

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« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2014, 05:14:16 PM »

I can't stand the tail lights!
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« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2014, 05:20:57 PM »

At that price I'd buy a fully equipped 2014 Vette with the Z51 package...
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« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2014, 05:21:56 PM »

Ironic, very little was known about the first Camaro Z/28, and it was priced very economically. From everything I read from former dealers and their former floor sales guys when asked what got you the most bang fro your buck, The Z/28 was far and away the easy choice.

The new Z has a ton of fan fare and while I am glad it is true to its roots performance wise, it seems like marketing has as much to do with the car as handling. Would have been nice to shave the weight and then price it just under the 3 SS. Maybe you could have added in the carbon fiber brakes, light weight back window, and a few other items as add ons, kinda like the JL8 or M22 were add ons back in the day. That would put the car into more enthusiasts hands and then if the buyers wanted to dive into their retirement funds for the extras that would have been up to them. The way it is now, it seems pretty far out of everyones reach, and it would surprise me when you get that high into the price range someone wouldn't start looking at the Z06, or gran sport Corvette. Thats the way I see it.



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« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2014, 05:23:51 PM »

That's priced outside the range of the regular folks.
Honestly, I hate the new Camaro body. If I were to buy a new car today it would definitely be the new Challenger R/T.

Mike
I don't hate the Camaro, I do like the challenger body, and the new hell raiser "wild cat" super charged version looks like it will make crazy power, but then again you are trying to move almost 5000lbs of car, and keep up with the Mustang and Camaro. I like the coyote 302 mustang motor, it has a ton of fans already, and a lot of guys are already buying the crate motor and throwing it in their fox bodies and first gen bodies. The LS7 is a monster of a motor, but if ford can make power with 302 cubic inches and keep it competitive why couldn't chevrolet answer the challenge with a 302 of their own? It's hard for me to believe that it would have raised the price of the car, it is more likely that a 302 version would not have moved all the weight of the Camaro around the track any faster. So I tip my hat to ford in this case, out of the big 3 they seemed to have right formula to keep the Boss within reach of its customers price range. Chevrolet and Dodge are trying to overcome weight with more horsepower and expensive handling/braking packages (chevy)
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« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2014, 05:24:06 PM »

That's priced outside the range of the regular folks.
Honestly, I hate the new Camaro body. If I were to buy a new car today it would definitely be the new Challenger R/T.

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In 2010 I bought a new fully loaded minus sunroof 2SSRS for $35K. Not sure how they justify more than double that. Hated the car. My son has a 2009 Challenger R/T and I love it. Way better car to drive.
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« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2014, 06:39:27 PM »

At that price point I would rather own a 427 Convertible corvette.
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« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2014, 07:52:43 PM »

Chances are that their target audience for the Z/28 already owns a Z06 and or a ZR1.
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« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2014, 11:27:26 PM »

Chances are that their target audience for the Z/28 already owns a Z06 and or a ZR1.

... that must be all of us..  right?   (tongue in cheek). Smiley
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« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2014, 01:51:12 PM »

I hope the one the public gets runs as good as the test cars.  I had a 11 SS that was very slow..   took it in a few times and GM said nothing was wrong with it.   the wifes denali would hurt it feeling and im guessing my company work car would have given it a run for its money... Sad


On a side note, have you seen the youtube video of the Z28 going around Nürburgring, 
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« Reply #11 on: January 06, 2014, 03:55:17 PM »

Awesome video. But $75K.... that would be like the original Z costing like 15K back in 67 , 8 , or 69. How many would they have sold then?
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« Reply #12 on: January 06, 2014, 06:57:29 PM »

Believe it's gonna be limited.   At that price I can see why.
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« Reply #13 on: January 06, 2014, 07:29:40 PM »

I have heard the same thing about 1200 to 1500 units per the "Jay Leno's Garage " show where het with one of the engineers and took it out for a ride. That was back in October, so 6 months will have come and gone by the time it hits the dealerships, so things may change...
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« Reply #14 on: January 07, 2014, 06:41:00 AM »

That's priced outside the range of the regular folks.
Honestly, I hate the new Camaro body. If I were to buy a new car today it would definitely be the new Challenger R/T.

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« Reply #15 on: January 07, 2014, 06:15:20 PM »

Wonder what the new 2015 Z06 will sell for? Per Autoweek, "We won't get a complete look at the specs of the 2015 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 until it makes its official debut at the upcoming Detroit auto show, but a web coding blooper means we get a sneak peak at some of its vital stats before the reveal. Specifically, it's set to get 620 hp and 650 lb-ft of torque -- a big boost over the 450 hp and 450 lb-ft of torque the base 'Vette enjoys."
DANG, that's some ponies and torque.........
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« Reply #16 on: January 08, 2014, 10:41:43 AM »

that will be some crashed corvettes Wink

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« Reply #17 on: January 08, 2014, 12:49:52 PM »

that will be some crashed corvettes Wink

YEP!!    hopefully the drivers will survive... to learn....
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« Reply #18 on: January 13, 2014, 03:50:49 AM »

and maybe some drivetrains will make into some first gens
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« Reply #19 on: January 13, 2014, 08:23:26 AM »

If you are interested you can view the live reveal of the 2015 C7 ZO6, by clicking the link below at the scheduled date and time.


http://www.chevrolet.com/corvette-z06-supercar-reveal.html Program & Reveal is on Jan 13th at 9:30 AM EST at this website address.
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« Reply #20 on: January 13, 2014, 10:14:26 AM »

My buddy is retiring 1-21 this year and just showed me a copy on line of the new 427 Vette he ordered. Green ,tan interior ,convertible. 1K less than the Z out the door.

Saw the vid of the Z ,awesome ! But I think Chevy has gotten away from the target crowd of young people who can afford a "hot" car that can keep pace with a 75K car (stop light to stop light anyway)

Other end of the spectrum from my retiring buddy: young guy comes on, appears secure in his job. Saves for a year and puts some money down on a new Mustang. Whatever the "hot one" out there is--I don't follow the models. Black convertible top ,black leather, charcoal body. Sounds and runs strong. 36k. Of course he priced the supercharger at 8k---add headers, exhaust say he'll be at 46k--a lot of money but not so bad for a single guy with a good job. This package turned high 8's in a stock engine/suspended mustang on small slicks--no cage and should not have been able to run. But a very noted Mustang builder, guess he got a pass. Read the article last year.

Update on the new guy: getting married this September so plans for the supercharger are on hold for now Wink Would not be as funny if not 100% true ! He's been getting offers in the low 20's for the Mustang at work- LOL.

Timeless story and I'm sure a past most of the "hot cars" on this site share. But how many 69 Z's alone were sold ? And who was buying them? Pretty sure they were able to run stop light to stop light with a Vette. Or hold their own. I know with 4:88's and headers they turned in to quite a SOB. Don't call me names, but maybe GM should be putting out some affordable (see Ford in affordable) muscle out there. Save the high dollar iron for the empty nesters who planned well for the future. Anybody read stats on average student loan balances ? Younger crowd not lining up to buy 75K cars anytime soon...
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« Reply #21 on: January 13, 2014, 10:32:32 AM »

 Student loan balances......what a shame for the US. Foreign students come here to work after graduation in their homeland and pay off their loans in their home country within a couple of years because the cost is so damn cheap there compared to US education costs. In the meantime, US students have student loan balances for over a decade to pay off and also have to compete against foreign workers here and accept the lower wages to get a job. So yes, these younger US students (hence future car owners) will not be lining up to pay $75K for a car.

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« Reply #22 on: January 13, 2014, 12:17:51 PM »

I was at my dealer today and he didn't have his info handy but thought he just sold a base vette in the high 50s and he said the z06 were in the upper 80s.  Not sure the z06 is the new one if it went up any. He thought they would probably get a z. Would be a fun car if someone else paid for it! 
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« Reply #23 on: January 13, 2014, 12:21:26 PM »

gets worse. Degrees are getting longer to obtain eg; what once required a BS 20 years ago now requires a doctrine. I also work in physical therapy and hear the 30 something's complaining about 1. 6 figure average student loan debt. Was stated house will be paid off before loan. 2. Make considerably less as compared to their counterparts coming out of school 20 years ago. On average loans were able to be paid off in a few years.  I had a professor who lectured that this was on the horizon and it has since come to pass. Reason $$ for the schools via easy credit.

And no one dare enter the trades ?? Somebody used the term "grease monkey" recently in the treads: Know what these folks are starting at with 2 years post HS education ? Not getting rich, who is ? But a  good living in this day and age. Minus the 800 a month student loan payment. IBEW are running ads trying to entice young folks to enter the program.No luck. Found a niche for my son in the BS program for Welding Engineers. Guess what, AWS provides progressive scholarships for those willing to work. Oh, and companies provide paid internships during the summer , for those who earn it through hard work in school. Now if only he could pick up a new Z relative to 68 prices when he graduates ,the American dream ! Of course it would probably be sold once married, but thus the cycle continues !
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« Reply #24 on: January 13, 2014, 12:24:07 PM »

My buddy ordered his Vette out of a dealership in Columbus ,supposed biggest in Ohio.
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« Reply #25 on: January 13, 2014, 12:41:57 PM »

I am not sure which dealer that is Janobyte. Maxton sells some and Jeff Wyler took over McDormans.
I get my trucks out of the dealer that used to be Frosts that sold some COPO Camaros. The salesman started working there in 67 and he remembers the cars around. I think he was in high school. They move a lot of trucks. I have been trading every year with him and with the discount/rebates and my gm card, the last 2 years I have traded for less than 2000 plus some tax. He has plaques in his office as the top zone salesman in the last 5 years. They just opened a new office and getting ready to tare down the old building. I had a service area for like 4 cars if you parked just right.
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« Reply #26 on: January 13, 2014, 12:49:46 PM »

Couldn't say right now. I'll see him Friday for details. All he has been talking about , and hate to say I've been half listening Cheesy 12 years down the road for me  Wink
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« Reply #27 on: January 13, 2014, 07:34:47 PM »

New Z06-race car on street!
http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2014/01/2015-chevrolet-corvette-z06-race-car-street.html
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« Reply #28 on: January 13, 2014, 10:25:20 PM »

Wait a year and save up your money..   then in another 6 months or a year, that car will be 'old news'..  it's all part of Chevy's marketing plan.  Smiley   very similar to the computer industry..  each new model has *jsut enough* 'new' to make one want to buy it.  *G*
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« Reply #29 on: January 14, 2014, 10:57:44 AM »

I wonder how the ZL-1's are selling. There has been a black one on my local lot for at least 6 months. I predict deep discounts on the Z/28's at the end of the summer. GM missed their market completely.
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« Reply #30 on: January 14, 2014, 02:29:57 PM »

I wonder how the ZL-1's are selling. There has been a black one on my local lot for at least 6 months. I predict deep discounts on the Z/28's at the end of the summer. GM missed their market completely.

Or they may be counting way too much on what Car and Driver described back in May as their "thin sales lead over Mustang"....
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« Reply #31 on: January 14, 2014, 09:48:22 PM »

I wonder how the ZL-1's are selling. There has been a black one on my local lot for at least 6 months. I predict deep discounts on the Z/28's at the end of the summer. GM missed their market completely.
You could be 100% correct but it seems like dealers for the most part will be ordering only for customers and not to sit on lots. Some estimates say only 1500 to 2000 will be built and the LS7 will be closed out of production it seems so some are speculating the new Z/28 could possibly be a collector car...
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« Reply #32 on: January 14, 2014, 10:05:57 PM »

Don't they always say that for the most extreme/most expensive cars?  My daughters father in law just bought a 3000 mile 2009 ZR1 (listed well over 100K).  The car is perfect in and out and under hood.  Looks like it rolled off the truck for cleanup and he paid $70K... 
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« Reply #33 on: January 18, 2014, 11:43:40 AM »

I was at my dealer today and he didn't have his info handy but thought he just sold a base vette in the high 50s and he said the z06 were in the upper 80s.  Not sure the z06 is the new one if it went up any. He thought they would probably get a z. Would be a fun car if someone else paid for it! 

Ordered it through Coughlins ( Jeg's family ?) Not a Z06, Stingray Convertible Z51--optioned what he wanted 72k. 2 more working days and he retires ,nice little present to himself. He was always into small British sports cars ,figures this one will be way more than enough. LOL
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« Reply #34 on: January 19, 2014, 01:26:06 AM »

Rick Hendricks bought they very first production 2014 Z28, to be produced to his specs..  Procedes went to charity $650K.
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« Reply #35 on: January 28, 2014, 04:36:06 PM »

So ,The new Z/28 is offered in five exterior colors – Red Hot, Black, Silver Ice Metallic,
Ashen Gray Metallic and Summit White. Only a single option is available: A $1,150
package that adds air conditioning and four audio speakers. The standard Z/28
package includes one speaker.

(sorry Gary no orange Available)  Cry
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« Reply #36 on: January 28, 2014, 05:11:25 PM »

Hugger Orange is too exclusive for a '1st yr car'..  if this new car makes it to a third year, GM might consider offering Hugger Orange.. Smiley
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« Reply #37 on: February 20, 2014, 11:23:46 AM »

Here's a good summary of the new Z/28 technical details:

http://www.autoweek.com/article/20140218/CARNEWS/140219824?utm_source=DailyDrive20140219&utm_medium=enewsletter&utm_term=missedarticle6&utm_content=20140218-Twenty-eight-improvements-on-the-2014-Camaro-Z/28&utm_campaign=awdailydrive
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