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factory eqiiped headlights
« on: January 04, 2014, 08:11:18 AM »
just wondering how many camaro`s had GE powerbeam headlights ? i know they had T3`s in the day but mine came with GE`s. anybody with original lights let me know, thanks
my car is 03E
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Re: factory eqiiped headlights
« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2014, 08:09:33 PM »
There is/was a one-owner Aug '69 coupe about a mile from here that had one of each.

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Re: factory eqiiped headlights
« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2014, 03:23:03 AM »
My 05A Norwood Z has t-3's. I have owned it since 78
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Re: factory eqiiped headlights
« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2014, 07:18:54 AM »
do your GE power beams have the red date codes on them?
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Re: factory eqiiped headlights
« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2014, 07:59:59 AM »
i`ll have to look, i shelved them last summer.
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Re: factory eqiiped headlights
« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2014, 08:13:47 AM »
if they do be very careful the red ink stamp comes off very easily.
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Re: factory eqiiped headlights
« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2014, 08:51:54 AM »
My April of '69 Van Nuys car has GE headlights, just wondering whereabouts (and in what format) the date code is on them, so I can see if they could be the originals.... although I cannot use them on the highway here in Australia, headlights must dip to the left, not to the right.
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Re: factory eqiiped headlights
« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2014, 08:56:34 AM »
on the T3 it would be found on the back side in a red ink screened manner it seems. You actually have to remove them to see if the red date stamp is on there.
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Re: factory eqiiped headlights
« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2014, 04:10:36 PM »
sept of 69 Z has the powerbeams orig to the car
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« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2014, 07:24:34 PM »
interesting my 08C (august of 69) car has its original T3 lights, dated from july of 69 If i remember correctly
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Re: factory eqiiped headlights
« Reply #10 on: January 07, 2014, 08:35:07 AM »
I just happened to come across some close-up pictures of some GE Power Beam headlights, and realised they are not the same as the ones on my car. Mine have "GENERAL ELECTRIC" and "SEALED BEAM" on them, but not the round  "POWER BEAM" in the center. Will get a picture tomorrow, but was this type of GE lamp also used from the factory as well as the T3 Guide and Power Beam?
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Re: factory eqiiped headlights
« Reply #11 on: January 07, 2014, 12:41:40 PM »
i`ll have to look, i shelved them last summer.
Eldon, can you post a picture as I'd like to see exactly what they looked like?
Tim, looking forward to the picture.
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Re: factory eqiiped headlights
« Reply #12 on: January 07, 2014, 04:12:14 PM »
Hey Tim, while I can't help you with "sealed" or "power" beam portion. Here is a pic of the date code on mine when I removed it from my car. I decoded the date at that time it is original to the car.
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« Reply #13 on: January 07, 2014, 04:15:46 PM »
Here is the decoder, I am not sure if the power/sealed beam used the same dating method:
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Re: factory eqiiped headlights
« Reply #14 on: January 08, 2014, 05:03:21 AM »
here`s a few pics of the powerbeams, not sure how to decipher the date code. the code read 6014 on top, the middle read 14  '4   22  the bottom read (large dot on each side of 12) 12 and another character i could`nt make out next to the 12 and before the dot, maybe a V ?
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Re: factory eqiiped headlights
« Reply #15 on: January 08, 2014, 05:07:21 AM »
one more pic
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Re: factory eqiiped headlights
« Reply #16 on: January 08, 2014, 06:33:28 AM »
anybody have a spare powerbeam laying around ? i need one. i have a mint set of T3`s and all 4 work perfect. they are for a 4 light set from a `69 impala wagon. maybe we can work out a deal ?
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Re: factory eqiiped headlights
« Reply #17 on: January 08, 2014, 07:21:48 AM »
here`s a few pics of the powerbeams, not sure how to decipher the date code. the code read 6014 on top, the middle read 14  '4   22  the bottom read (large dot on each side of 12) 12 and another character i could`nt make out next to the 12 and before the dot, maybe a V ?
I am pretty sure 6014 is the part number, 12V is 12 volts and the dots probably indicate shift, now the middle 14 4 22, that does not follow the same pattern. I will keep looking.
Shouldn't be to tough to locate a match, as long as you don't care abut a date code. I have seen them on ebay, you just take a small risk that it is packed well. I have bought and sold headlights with no issues though.
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Re: factory eqiiped headlights
« Reply #18 on: January 08, 2014, 07:27:49 AM »
OK here are the photos I took of the GE sealed beam headlights. I noticed that the driver and passenger side have slightly different markings on the lenses, which is strange..... bear with me, there are a few pictures showing all the details:

Driver's side:


'2D1' at the 12-o'clock position:


'GENERAL ELECTRIC' and 'SEALED BEAM' at the 6-o'clock position:


'USA' and 'DOT' at the 11-o'clock position:


'ZA76' at the 1-o'clock position (there may be an 'S' above the Z but can't be sure):


'GENERAL' and 'SEALED' (same on both headlights):


'ELECTRIC' and 'BEAM' (also same on both headlights):



Now the passenger side headlight:


'2' at the 12-o'clock position (not '2D1' as the driver's side):


'USA' at the 11-o'clock position (missing the 'DOT' that the driver's side has):


'SZA60' at the 1-o'clock position:


What are your thoughts on these - anyone else have headlights like these on their Camaro?
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Re: factory eqiiped headlights
« Reply #19 on: January 08, 2014, 07:58:08 AM »
The font style of the 'USA' is also different on the passenger side headlight, only just spotted that.
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Re: factory eqiiped headlights
« Reply #20 on: January 11, 2014, 10:13:56 PM »
No-one else has the General Electric Sealed Beams, just T3 Guide or GE Power Beams?
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« Reply #21 on: January 11, 2014, 11:13:22 PM »
i did`nt notice guide stamped in them. i thought all factory lighting had that stamped on it ?
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« Reply #22 on: January 12, 2014, 12:41:38 AM »
i did`nt notice guide stamped in them. i thought all factory lighting had that stamped on it ?
No, they don't have 'GUIDE' anywhere on them, so perhaps they are non-original replacements? Just trying to determine if anyone else has these same headlights (or has at least seen them) on a first gen Camaro....
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Re: factory eqiiped headlights
« Reply #23 on: January 14, 2014, 05:20:20 AM »
Tim, i uncovered the Z and it has a sealed beam identical to the one you have, the one that does not say "DOT" i will post a pic, the font is the same too. it`s even on the same side of the car, passenger side  :)  so maybe it`s factory, hard to say but being the T3`s and Powerbeams say guide most likely not ? food for thought i guess being 2 z28`s have them.
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Re: factory eqiiped headlights
« Reply #24 on: January 14, 2014, 11:05:19 AM »
Tim, i uncovered the Z and it has a sealed beam identical to the one you have, the one that does not say "DOT" i will post a pic, the font is the same too. it`s even on the same side of the car, passenger side  :)  so maybe it`s factory, hard to say but being the T3`s and Powerbeams say guide most likely not ? food for thought i guess being 2 z28`s have them.
Wow! Thanks very much for checking, and it's really interesting that your passenger side headlight is the same as mine (I assume your car was missing the driver's side light when you got it?). Maybe they are factory after all, possibly even a substitute part for one that had supply or quality issues? I see your car is 03E and mine is 04A, so they could have been fairly close if yours is a VN car too.
Anyone else got this type?
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Re: factory eqiiped headlights
« Reply #25 on: January 14, 2014, 03:31:31 PM »
my car had the powerbeam i originally posted about. i took it out and shelved it. after i read your post checked mine again and saw the sealed beam.
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Re: factory eqiiped headlights
« Reply #26 on: January 14, 2014, 04:17:12 PM »
Tim, i uncovered the Z and it has a sealed beam identical to the one you have, the one that does not say "DOT" i will post a pic, the font is the same too. it`s even on the same side of the car, passenger side  :)  so maybe it`s factory, hard to say but being the T3`s and Powerbeams say guide most likely not ? food for thought i guess being 2 z28`s have them.

Let's see..    TWO Z28s with the same type of replacement HL bulbs?   After only 45 yrs?... and a bit over 20,000 '69 Z28s?    and a small handful of manufacturers who made these bulbs over that time frame??    hmmmmmmm...   quite a coincidence..  :)
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Re: factory eqiiped headlights
« Reply #27 on: January 14, 2014, 09:46:02 PM »
Let's see..    TWO Z28s with the same type of replacement HL bulbs?   After only 45 yrs?... and a bit over 20,000 '69 Z28s?    and a small handful of manufacturers who made these bulbs over that time frame??    hmmmmmmm...   quite a coincidence..  :)
Gary. Nobody is trying to draw a conclusion based on just 2 cars, simply looking to find out if anyone else had these on their car too. Others are welcome to contribute, preferably positively.
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Re: factory eqiiped headlights
« Reply #28 on: January 15, 2014, 03:02:39 AM »
Tim, i uncovered the Z and it has a sealed beam identical to the one you have, the one that does not say "DOT" i will post a pic, the font is the same too. it`s even on the same side of the car, passenger side  :)  so maybe it`s factory, hard to say but being the T3`s and Powerbeams say guide most likely not ? food for thought i guess being 2 z28`s have them.

Let's see..    TWO Z28s with the same type of replacement HL bulbs?   After only 45 yrs?... and a bit over 20,000 '69 Z28s?    and a small handful of manufacturers who made these bulbs over that time frame??    hmmmmmmm...   quite a coincidence..  :)

Just a bit 'tongue in cheek', tim..   My only point is that unless you bought the car NEW, suppositions about headlamps after 45 years don't mean too much.   I remember having to replace headlamp bulbs in cars a year or two old at times.... and generally bought whatever the local store had..
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