CRG Discussion Forum
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?
October 20, 2014, 10:58:26 PM

Login with username, password and session length
Search:     Advanced search
Welcome to the CRG Discussion Forum!
Forum registration problems: Make sure you enter your email correctly and you check your spam box first. *Then* email KurtS2@gmail for help.
105575 Posts in 12328 Topics by 4752 Members
Latest Member: Jsween
* Home Help Search Login Register
+  CRG Discussion Forum
|-+  Camaro Research Group Discussion
| |-+  General Discussion
| | |-+  69 rosewood Steering Wheel
« previous next »
Pages: 1 2 3 [All] Print
Author Topic: 69 rosewood Steering Wheel  (Read 2093 times)
Tin-Top
Newbie
*
Posts: 14


View Profile Email
« on: January 02, 2014, 05:58:06 PM »

Found this great informative site while trying to research a steering wheel I have recently purchased .

 I normally collect wooden British steering wheels but I found the 16" Rosewood while looking for my next fix (purchase) .

 From what I can make out it is a 16" simulated plastic Rosewood with aprox 2.5" dish & 2 spoke design  , where I am struggling is that all the other wheels I have found are exactly the same as mine apart from mine has flushed rivets at the back , I just can not find another with the same riveted finish , any help would be greatly appreciated .
Logged
1968RSZ28
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 4765



View Profile
« Reply #1 on: January 02, 2014, 06:11:33 PM »

Can you post a photo or two?

Ed Bertrand is our steering wheel expert.  Ed wrote the CRG report, First Generation Camaro Steering Wheels.  Here is Ed's report...  http://www.camaros.org/swheel.shtml

Paul
Logged
Tin-Top
Newbie
*
Posts: 14


View Profile Email
« Reply #2 on: January 02, 2014, 06:21:28 PM »

Thanks for the reply I have read it but I am sure there is still nothing about the rivets to the rear will try and get some pics up tomorrow as it is near 11.30 PM here in England.
Logged
BULLITT65
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 1489


BULLITT65
View Profile Email
« Reply #3 on: January 02, 2014, 07:38:03 PM »

A simulated wood 2 spoke sounds more like the 66 optional wheel. (I have one on my 66 chevelle)
Logged

1969 garnet red Z/28 46k mile unrestored X77
Looking for 3192477 (front) spiral shocks 3192851 (rear) please
Looking for an original LOF soft ray windshield
Looking for original Delco side post negative battery cable part # 6297651AV
Tin-Top
Newbie
*
Posts: 14


View Profile Email
« Reply #4 on: January 02, 2014, 08:38:36 PM »

Sorry perhaps I worded it incorrectly should have said 3 spoke in the overlapping design known as the N34 I believe .
Logged
lakeholme
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 2171


*68-12D L30/M35*


View Profile WWW
« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2014, 08:57:33 PM »

Sounds like a N34.  Do post some pictures.
Is there a particular question you need answered about the rivets?
If you don't mind my asking, where do you live in England?  I've worked in Bournemouth and Fareham.
And welcome to the forum!  Grin
Logged

Phillip
HNR-AACA, Senior Master
Planning 2016 Sentimental Tour, AACA (and restoring a 40 Buick Special for it)
AACA Southeastern Division Spring Meet Chair
"Charlotte AutoFair, presented by the Hornets Nest Region, AACA, is the largest and greatest Collector Vehicle Event in the Southeast USA."
Tin-Top
Newbie
*
Posts: 14


View Profile Email
« Reply #6 on: January 02, 2014, 09:24:05 PM »

Its a very small world I live in Poole and is attached to Bournemouth how crazy is that , I was born in Bournemouth.

 I am just struggling to find a pic of a N34 with flushed rivets on the back maybe just looking in the wrong place , all the ones I believe I have found do not seem to have any rivets to the back, am I going mad ?
Logged
z28z11
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 618


View Profile
« Reply #7 on: January 02, 2014, 09:31:54 PM »

Bets shots I have of my late departed rosewood. No rivets I can discern - looks to be spot welded.

This was an exceptional wheel I purchased in the mid 80's, long before the current reproductions - a known original wheel.

Regards,
Steve
Logged

1968 Z28 BRG/W
1969 Z28 X77 LeMans/W
1969 X66 L78 Cortez/BVT
1969 Z11 L48
Tin-Top
Newbie
*
Posts: 14


View Profile Email
« Reply #8 on: January 02, 2014, 09:35:36 PM »

Thanks Steve but the rivets are on the outer wooden rim like a Grant or Moto Lita wheel.
Logged
z28z11
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 618


View Profile
« Reply #9 on: January 02, 2014, 09:52:32 PM »

Sorry - I misunderstood the placement. It wouldn't be a '68 or '9 - molded construction with no rivets. Aftermarkets like Grant wheels had them, as you noted. I had one of those in my 1957 Bel Air in the '70's.

Regards,
Steve
Logged

1968 Z28 BRG/W
1969 Z28 X77 LeMans/W
1969 X66 L78 Cortez/BVT
1969 Z11 L48
Tin-Top
Newbie
*
Posts: 14


View Profile Email
« Reply #10 on: January 03, 2014, 06:37:48 AM »

[/URL][/img]
Centre will clearly have to be reworked as one of my fellow countryman has seriously bodged it to fit a brit car.other wise in great condition.
Logged
Tin-Top
Newbie
*
Posts: 14


View Profile Email
« Reply #11 on: January 03, 2014, 06:41:54 AM »

 Argh darn pics. 
Logged
Tin-Top
Newbie
*
Posts: 14


View Profile Email
« Reply #12 on: January 03, 2014, 06:52:13 AM »

Logged
doomer
Member
***
Posts: 45



View Profile Email
« Reply #13 on: January 03, 2014, 10:41:14 AM »

Looks right, but with modified mounting surfaces.  Huh
Logged
ko-lek-tor
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 578



View Profile
« Reply #14 on: January 03, 2014, 10:49:29 AM »

I would say that someone has added those embellishments (rivets) in a customizing attempt.
Logged

Putting you First...Keeps me First. Talent on loan from God. Helping the hobbyist and exposing the fraud
1969 SS/RS 396 coupe Hugger Orange X22 712 bought in 79
1969 SS 350 coupe LeMans Blue 713 bought in 79
1969 307 4spd. coupe Daytona Yellow 711 bought in 85
Ed Bertrand
CRG Member
*****
Posts: 2333


View Profile
« Reply #15 on: January 03, 2014, 12:00:23 PM »

Can you take better (higher resolution) pictures of the "rivets", and also of the back of the wheel at each spoke where it meets the plastic of the wheel?

Thanks
Ed
Logged
Tin-Top
Newbie
*
Posts: 14


View Profile Email
« Reply #16 on: January 03, 2014, 01:27:31 PM »

I hope these help , as I have said previously I collect steering wheels and imho this is all original apart from the butchered centre , the rivets have a slight grain to them
Logged
Tin-Top
Newbie
*
Posts: 14


View Profile Email
« Reply #17 on: January 03, 2014, 01:32:56 PM »



Logged
Ed Bertrand
CRG Member
*****
Posts: 2333


View Profile
« Reply #18 on: January 03, 2014, 02:27:26 PM »

They look painted on! Are you sure they're actually rivets??

Ed
Logged
Tin-Top
Newbie
*
Posts: 14


View Profile Email
« Reply #19 on: January 03, 2014, 02:55:34 PM »

Ed,
 
 Definitely rivets , strange don't you think , everything is exactly the same as a Rosewood N34 apart from these rivets to the rear!
Logged
69Z28-RS
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 2452


owner since '76


View Profile Email
« Reply #20 on: January 03, 2014, 11:36:00 PM »

It's difficult to tell from the photos you included, but that wheel doesn't look like an original rosewood wheel for a '69 Camaro.  In fact, even the dish appears deeper?   Can you measure the dish so we can compare?   
Logged

Gary W.  /  69Z28-RS, 72 B 720 cowl console rosewood all tint
69 Corvette convertible, silver/black 350 hp,
60 Corvette white/red, 72 Corvette coupe (2), 
90 ZR1 red/red #246, 90 ZR1 white/gray #2466
72 El Camino, '55 Nomad, '57 Nomad, '57 B/A Sedan
Tin-Top
Newbie
*
Posts: 14


View Profile Email
« Reply #21 on: January 04, 2014, 09:26:31 AM »

I thought just over 2.5" dish was correct !
Logged
69Z28-RS
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 2452


owner since '76


View Profile Email
« Reply #22 on: January 04, 2014, 06:22:28 PM »

I removed my original wheel and measured it the same way; slightly over 2.5" to the front face of the center, and almost 3" to the deepest side of the back.   16" diameter wheel.   What is the diameter of your wheel?
Logged

Gary W.  /  69Z28-RS, 72 B 720 cowl console rosewood all tint
69 Corvette convertible, silver/black 350 hp,
60 Corvette white/red, 72 Corvette coupe (2), 
90 ZR1 red/red #246, 90 ZR1 white/gray #2466
72 El Camino, '55 Nomad, '57 Nomad, '57 B/A Sedan
Tin-Top
Newbie
*
Posts: 14


View Profile Email
« Reply #23 on: January 04, 2014, 06:49:21 PM »

 Same as yours 16" and the last pic is far more a true representation of the wheel after I gave it a quick clean .
Logged
69Z28-RS
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 2452


owner since '76


View Profile Email
« Reply #24 on: January 04, 2014, 07:36:39 PM »

Now I'm intrigued as well.  I can only think of two possibilities for this wheel:
1) It's an early prototype built by the company that produced the wheels for Chevrolet?  What company was that?  Does anyone know?  Tin-top:  Do you know the history of this steering wheel?  where it came from and when?
2) The *other* possibility is that it's an attempt (not a bad one btw) by an unknown company attempting to mimic the great beauty and style of one of the many beautiful parts used on the '69 Camaro....  Smiley

Any other opinions??  Smiley   Ed?
Logged

Gary W.  /  69Z28-RS, 72 B 720 cowl console rosewood all tint
69 Corvette convertible, silver/black 350 hp,
60 Corvette white/red, 72 Corvette coupe (2), 
90 ZR1 red/red #246, 90 ZR1 white/gray #2466
72 El Camino, '55 Nomad, '57 Nomad, '57 B/A Sedan
ko-lek-tor
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 578



View Profile
« Reply #25 on: January 04, 2014, 08:10:06 PM »

Now I'm intrigued as well.  I can only think of two possibilities for this wheel:
1) It's an early prototype built by the company that produced the wheels for Chevrolet?  What company was that?  Does anyone know?  Tin-top:  Do you know the history of this steering wheel?  where it came from and when?
2) The *other* possibility is that it's an attempt (not a bad one btw) by an unknown company attempting to mimic the great beauty and style of one of the many beautiful parts used on the '69 Camaro....  Smiley

Any other opinions??  Smiley   Ed?
Now I'm intrigued as well.  I can only think of two possibilities for this wheel:
1) It's an early prototype built by the company that produced the wheels for Chevrolet?  What company was that?  Does anyone know? 

I believe the Inland plant in Dayton,Ohio made the wheels.
Logged

Putting you First...Keeps me First. Talent on loan from God. Helping the hobbyist and exposing the fraud
1969 SS/RS 396 coupe Hugger Orange X22 712 bought in 79
1969 SS 350 coupe LeMans Blue 713 bought in 79
1969 307 4spd. coupe Daytona Yellow 711 bought in 85
cook_dw
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 910



View Profile Email
« Reply #26 on: January 04, 2014, 08:19:19 PM »

Personal opinion.

I believe the wheel is legit.  I think what makes the biggest difference is that the color is much darker than originally would have been due to an additional coating or glaze added to the plastic after the rivets or accents were added.

Photo for comparison.

Logged

Darrell Cook

1967 LeMans Blue SS/RS L35 clone
1968 Rallye Green SS L78 - unrestored original
1968 Matador Red Z28
BULLITT65
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 1489


BULLITT65
View Profile Email
« Reply #27 on: January 04, 2014, 08:25:54 PM »

So you mention you somewhat collect steering wheels. Where did you find it?, what did the seller represent it as? Did you buy it to re-sell it?
Logged

1969 garnet red Z/28 46k mile unrestored X77
Looking for 3192477 (front) spiral shocks 3192851 (rear) please
Looking for an original LOF soft ray windshield
Looking for original Delco side post negative battery cable part # 6297651AV
69Z28-RS
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 2452


owner since '76


View Profile Email
« Reply #28 on: January 04, 2014, 10:09:10 PM »

Personal opinion.
I believe the wheel is legit.  I think what makes the biggest difference is that the color is much darker than originally would have been due to an additional coating or glaze added to the plastic after the rivets or accents were added.

But the real issue is the *rivets*..  he's stated that they are actual rivets, not some 'accent'.. and I personally don't believe anyone would make such a modification which cannot be seen (on the back of the steering wheel); why would anyone do that?  If it's made by Inland (and KoLector states), then I'd assume an early prototype or early production??
Logged

Gary W.  /  69Z28-RS, 72 B 720 cowl console rosewood all tint
69 Corvette convertible, silver/black 350 hp,
60 Corvette white/red, 72 Corvette coupe (2), 
90 ZR1 red/red #246, 90 ZR1 white/gray #2466
72 El Camino, '55 Nomad, '57 Nomad, '57 B/A Sedan
cook_dw
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 910



View Profile Email
« Reply #29 on: January 04, 2014, 10:21:25 PM »

why would anyone do that?

I've seen stranger.. 
Logged

Darrell Cook

1967 LeMans Blue SS/RS L35 clone
1968 Rallye Green SS L78 - unrestored original
1968 Matador Red Z28
Ed Bertrand
CRG Member
*****
Posts: 2333


View Profile
« Reply #30 on: January 04, 2014, 11:24:33 PM »

Sorry boys. I can't help. I've never seen a factory rosewood wheel with rivets.

Ed
Logged
Tin-Top
Newbie
*
Posts: 14


View Profile Email
« Reply #31 on: January 05, 2014, 04:15:36 AM »

Thanks every one for all the time and effort put in , I have come to the same conclusion it has to be a early production or prototype it is the only thing that makes sense, as who would do a copy that was not authentic it has a decent age to it although I would say has not seen action for many years until it was adapted to fit a mk1 Ford Cortina of the 60's.

 I only paid 50 for it so either way it is not a problem how ever I would have really loved to have I'D it 100% I always do a lot of research hence me being on here after reading Ed's fantastic research on the steering wheels on the site, extremely informative.

 Perhaps they where originally going for the Grant,  Moto Lita  or Derrington classic woodrim look and then decided to delete the Rivets before production, I guess in all honesty we will never know ,but intriguing all the same .
Logged
Pages: 1 2 3 [All] Print 
« previous next »
Jump to:  

Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.19 | SMF © 2013, Simple Machines Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!
Page created in 0.101 seconds with 17 queries.