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« on: December 15, 2013, 01:41:44 AM »

I just bought a 67 camaro numbers matching with a 6 cylinder with a 3 speed column shift. Is this a rare car? I know they only made about 5,600 convertibles with 6 cylinders but how many where automatic and how many were 3 and 4 speeds?
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« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2013, 02:14:05 AM »

5,600 Converts. with 6 cylinders is about as far as you are going to be able to break it down, Chevrolet didn't keep records showing different combinations of options.  There are a few people on here that can give you a good guestimation, % wise.  Maybe one of them will chime in.  Welcome, and sounds like a nice driver.
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« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2013, 02:58:06 AM »

hey welcome to the CRG. Probably even more rare for a  6 cylinder Camaro to still be running the 6. I would think most got switched over to a V8. Rare doesn't always mean worth more $. How about a picture for us??
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« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2013, 11:00:55 AM »

This car is a "barn find" been sitting for 30 years. I'll take some pictures when I get her home.
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« Reply #4 on: December 15, 2013, 12:58:52 PM »

Check the 6 cylinder section; there's a guy doing/did a beautiful restoration of one.
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« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2013, 01:02:32 PM »

67conv6cyl might be the member you want to contact.
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« Reply #6 on: December 15, 2013, 06:09:33 PM »

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« Reply #7 on: December 15, 2013, 07:03:02 PM »

I like it.. Smiley     Wanna sell it?
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« Reply #8 on: December 15, 2013, 08:07:18 PM »

I like it.. Smiley     Wanna sell it?

That's why bought it, to sell it. If serious my email is robertrollins11@gmail.com
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« Reply #9 on: December 15, 2013, 08:32:15 PM »

Convertible6. In 1967 my flying instructor had a 6 cyl, 3sp on the column, convertible but to the best of my memory it also had a bench seat. That was the second Camaro I ever rode in. The first was a 4sp, SS350. Jim
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« Reply #10 on: December 15, 2013, 10:20:01 PM »

I like the pics, looks very clean. Email sent
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« Reply #11 on: December 15, 2013, 11:46:49 PM »

Manual column shift cars are uncommon to begin with. You almost never see them anymore. Esp with a convertible.
Can you post a pic of the trim tag?
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« Reply #12 on: December 16, 2013, 01:19:55 AM »

From what I here that it was a special order for a 3 speed on the column to be installed on a convertible.
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« Reply #13 on: December 16, 2013, 10:21:46 AM »

I agree with Kurt. A 3 on the tree is fairly rare because even the base 6 cars were usually ordered with the optional Powerglide automatic transmission. Two things you normally see on low option cars are Powerglide and AM radio. Interesting that this one got a tinted windshield, AM radio with the rear speaker, the exterior molding group and deluxe seat belts! Kind of a strange combination of options for a base car.

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From what I here that it was a special order for a 3 speed on the column to be installed on a convertible.

No, the three speed manual transmission with the column shift was standard. Anything else would have been optional.

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« Reply #14 on: December 16, 2013, 11:09:02 AM »

I think most dealers would point out that M11 floor shift was only $10. So either M11 or powerglide was frequently optioned.

They spent the $40 for style trim and $20 for tinted windshield, but were OK with the shifter (or didn't realize what they ordered). Lots of people grew up with 3 on the tree, so it wasn't an unsellable combo. But would be interesting to know if the dealer or a customer ordered it.
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« Reply #15 on: December 16, 2013, 01:52:59 PM »

I'm about to start restoring this after the holidays. I buy, restore, and sell Classic Chevys as my main source of income. I was thinking about restoring this back to original or pull out the 6 and throw in a nice small block with a 4 or 5 speed. But keep all the original parts to put back to original. What do y'all think would bring the most value to this car. I have never seen a restored convertible with a 6 sell, so have nothing to compare it to.
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« Reply #16 on: December 16, 2013, 03:02:40 PM »

  If it were me, I'd pay more for an original 6 cylinder car if it had the original engine than a swapped V-8 engine.
The younger crowd may go for the modified (engine swap) car but but a collector will likely pay more for an original motor despite the number of cylinders.

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« Reply #17 on: December 16, 2013, 04:24:17 PM »

I agree ,that's how it should be anyway.
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« Reply #18 on: December 16, 2013, 05:20:42 PM »

I'd only be interested if it were unmodified.....
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« Reply #19 on: December 17, 2013, 09:26:24 AM »

Man! that thing is cool! That would make a great Xmas gift for the wife!
I would say leave the six in it and make a few bucks on fixing it up.
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« Reply #20 on: December 17, 2013, 10:24:43 AM »

Like I stated in another post " the perfect summer cruiser" could follow Cruising Time's schedule with no concern of distance, or FUEL. I'd drive the tires off of it !
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« Reply #21 on: December 18, 2013, 06:23:25 AM »

Keep the six in it!  They run forever get better fuel mileage and most of all the car has a six cylinder vin.
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« Reply #22 on: December 23, 2013, 01:57:12 PM »

My vert was a 6 with all the Clifford goodies and a three on the floor with console and the Pacesetter package. The six was a blast and I broke second gear in the tranny twice before yanking it all out. Super fun and got rubber in all three gears with a 3.08. Power top too!

The six was fun, but since the car wasn't going to be an everyday driver anymore, gas was not going to be an issue and the four speeds didn't have as low of a first gear.

Most people don't drive their Camaros as much anymore, so go for the V8, ditch the column shifter, and burn some rubber. It's better for the resale value anyway.
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« Reply #23 on: December 23, 2013, 02:03:54 PM »

I don't agree with that...  modified camaros are available *everywhere*..  whereas Original ones are getting more and more scarce...
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« Reply #24 on: December 23, 2013, 04:11:51 PM »

Agree to disagree.

Just because it's original doesn't always mean more desirable. The recent MECUM show here in So. Cal. was full of overpriced fake RS/SS Camaros. That didn't stop them from being bid up either through ignorance or deception. YMMV, but the masses seem to have spoken.
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« Reply #25 on: December 23, 2013, 05:17:23 PM »

While I appreciate the original cars I would agree with sci-fly. If you turn that car into a SS clone 9 times out of 10, you are going to get a lot higher bids vs. an original 6 cylinder convertible. There is just more nostalgic memories and demand for those cars, than the 6 cylinders.

Maybe if the 6 cyl was a nice unrestored car like yours Gary, than you may have some more demand, but for this particular car, I would say no.
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« Reply #26 on: December 24, 2013, 09:58:16 PM »

I have decided to restore the car back to original and not modify it. I just don't have the heart to change anything on her. I'll let the next owner decide if they want to modify it. After restored back to its original condition I think it will be worth about the same as a base 327 convertible.
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« Reply #27 on: December 25, 2013, 09:02:38 AM »

I personally think you made a wise decision.
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« Reply #28 on: December 25, 2013, 04:25:26 PM »

I have decided to restore the car back to original and not modify it. I just don't have the heart to change anything on her. I'll let the next owner decide if they want to modify it. After restored back to its original condition I think it will be worth about the same as a base 327 convertible.

If your plan is to sell it..  purely as an investment, I seriously doubt that you will make more $ than selling it as it is now.   If some one has ever made $$ in the short run on an original car by *restoring* it.. I'd love to hear from them...?
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« Reply #29 on: December 25, 2013, 05:54:25 PM »

I think if you got it running under its own power for little cash out of pocket you could do alright.

Additionally I just purchased a nice 65 mustang convertible a few months ago. I got it operable, installed new interior, top, and cleaned it up cosmetically and did make money in the short run ( 6 months) . Call it a mini resto. People have been doing that for years, wether original or not, and foreign and domestic.
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« Reply #30 on: December 25, 2013, 11:35:12 PM »

I'd call that cleaning and repair.. not restoration!   Yes, cleaning and functional repair *almost always* makes sense... but restoration is VERY expensive...
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« Reply #31 on: December 26, 2013, 11:38:59 AM »

Here is my 1956 chevy pickup I did a frame off, bare metal restoration/resto mod. Shaved firewall, one piece windows, shaved all emblems and custom interior. Me and my father ( I did most of the work and the patina paint job ) restored this truck in 7 months. I also took a couple months off working on it when I moved. I sold it for 16k (stock suspension). It can be done Smiley





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« Reply #32 on: December 26, 2013, 12:11:09 PM »

Well, it's all in how one man or a group will define "restore", "restored" or "restoration". I think those words are used carefully around here.  Smiley
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« Reply #33 on: December 26, 2013, 12:38:24 PM »

"Here is my 1956 chevy pickup I did a frame off, bare metal restoration/resto mod. Shaved firewall, one piece windows, shaved all emblems and custom interior. Me and my father ( I did most of the work and the patina paint job ) restored this truck in 7 months. I also took a couple months off working on it when I moved. I sold it for 16k (stock suspension). It can be done"

Thanks, for posting your truck story. While it is a nice resto, guys are doing this all the time, AND making money doing it. Of coarse you have to buy a initial solid vehicle, and know how much you can turn it for when your done. The basis for the TV shows that do this in an hour and portray a couple days work (not really reality IMO) is guys that are able to do this in a few months time.
I agree and it continues to happen.
The candidates are out there waiting to be "cleaned up". Wink
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« Reply #34 on: December 26, 2013, 01:39:06 PM »

The word 'restored' to me has always meant 'returned to original factory fresh condition, in function, appearance, and parts'..  all original and 'as new'...  I think most auto enthusiasts embrace this or a very similar definition.    'Restified', 'rebuilt', etc..  all have totally different meanings.
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« Reply #35 on: December 26, 2013, 02:16:42 PM »

I knew a guy that had a similar '67 vert, bright blue, 6 Cyl, don't remember the transmission but it had NO options to speak of.  It was an early '67 pilot run car. One of the first Camaros ever built. Cool car but not particularly valuable over any other original base trim level '67 Vert.  This one was rusty and would have needed a LOT of work and cash to make it right.  I would love to know if it was still around. 
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« Reply #36 on: December 28, 2013, 09:47:45 PM »

Can you post the VIN or email it to me?
What's the engine code (next to the distributor)?
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« Reply #38 on: December 29, 2013, 02:30:00 PM »

Convertible6,

The engine code is stamped on the machined pad on the engine block next to the distributor.  The location of the engine code stamp is shown in the drawings in the following link...

http://www.camaros.org/drivetrain.shtml#PadStamps

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« Reply #40 on: December 29, 2013, 06:57:04 PM »

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That's it!   Smiley

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« Reply #41 on: December 29, 2013, 07:00:22 PM »

Man! that thing is cool! That would make a great Xmas gift for the wife!

Here you go...  http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/cto/4260359225.html

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« Reply #42 on: December 30, 2013, 01:35:46 AM »

Thanks for the info.
If you find the stamped codes on the axle and trans, I'd be interested in those too. No hurry. Smiley
Should look great, esp that color!
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« Reply #43 on: March 10, 2014, 10:46:07 PM »

Just wanted to thank Warren Leunig for reuniting the protecto plate to my 67 camaro.
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« Reply #44 on: March 11, 2014, 01:25:49 AM »

He's the man!
He found the plate and when he sent the picture to me, I matched it up to your car. If you hadn't posted here, I wouldn't have been able to connect the dots.
Lucky day for you. Smiley

When you get a chance, can you look at: http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=11917.0
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« Reply #45 on: March 11, 2014, 07:25:06 AM »

Isn't MM Royal Plum paint?   I love that color when it's done right.  Warm over that 6 banger with a cam and a clifford intake and it could be a really nice cruiser.  I like it.
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« Reply #46 on: March 14, 2014, 05:51:06 PM »

Question, do the numbers match on the cowl tag begin 124 and the door jamb tag begin 123? As I understand vin 123 is 6 cylinder and 124 is v8 or am I confused?
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« Reply #47 on: March 14, 2014, 07:11:08 PM »

Question, do the numbers match on the cowl tag begin 124 and the door jamb tag begin 123? As I understand vin 123 is 6 cylinder and 124 is v8 or am I confused?

The two digit year ("67," "68," or "69") was followed by a five-digit "ST" body style code, e.g. 12437. The first two digits of the style code are the model code ("12") and the last two digits are body code ("37" for coupe and "67" convertible).
While the Fisher style code is often confused with the first five digits of the VIN, the two codes are different because of the different meaning of the third digit. In 1967, the third digit of the style code was set to "4" for standard interior or "6" for custom interior (e.g. a style code for a 67 convertible with custom interior would be 12667). In 1968-69, the third digit was fixed at "4" for all models (L6 and V8) and had no meaning.
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« Reply #48 on: March 15, 2014, 10:51:52 AM »

Question, do the numbers match on the cowl tag begin 124 and the door jamb tag begin 123? As I understand vin 123 is 6 cylinder and 124 is v8 or am I confused?

Remember that the "Style" number on the cowl tag and the "VIN" number on the hinge pillar or instrument panel are two COMPLETELY DIFFERENT numbers; the "style" number on the cowl tag was assigned by Fisher Body, and it will change on 67's as noted above. The VIN number was assigned by Chevrolet much later in the process, and a "3" for the third digit will ALWAYS mean a six-cylinder engine, and a "4" for the third digit will ALWAYS mean a V-8 engine.
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« Reply #49 on: March 17, 2014, 12:01:15 PM »

http://www.camaros.org/numbers.shtml#VINvsStyle also explains it.

Car is now on ebay, btw.  http://www.ebay.com/itm/321349552924
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« Reply #50 on: March 17, 2014, 12:27:08 PM »

Car is now on ebay, btw.  http://www.ebay.com/itm/321349552924

Man, that floor pan is gone!   Tongue

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« Reply #51 on: March 17, 2014, 12:28:08 PM »

Am I seeing it wrong? I see a radio but no sign of the antennae.
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« Reply #52 on: March 17, 2014, 12:42:19 PM »


The 'N' on the stainless VIN plate looks more like an 'H' or a 'M' than an 'N'... (to my eyes)Huh   Is that representative of the '67 VIN plates?   I'm not questioning that the VIN goes with the car, just the 'clarity' of the VIN plate (It's clearly an N on the PoP)...
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« Reply #53 on: March 17, 2014, 12:50:59 PM »

Am I seeing it wrong? I see a radio but no sign of the antennae.

Good eye, Kelly.  Maybe the right fender was replaced.  It looks like the antenna lead-in cable is hanging below the dash in one of the photos with the interior still in.  Also, the cowl tag shows 2R = U80 rear speaker.

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