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Question: Which age group do you fall in to?
60-69 - 29 (23%)
50-59 - 57 (45.2%)
40-49 - 25 (19.8%)
30-39 - 11 (8.7%)
20-29 - 1 (0.8%)
0-19 - 0 (0%)
70-79 - 3 (2.4%)
80-89 - 0 (0%)
90-100 - 0 (0%)
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« on: December 11, 2013, 08:30:23 AM »

A couple of comments in another thread Mecum z28  about how the younger generation is losing interest in the muscle car age.  So just figured I would find out roughly what the age groups actually are here.
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« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2013, 08:35:53 AM »

    Well...I replied with my age but I still feel like I'm in my 20's. At least my wife tells me I still act like I am  Wink
Hey...who said you have to grow up!
 You only go around once in life so when my time comes to depart, I want it to be like sliding into home base and saying "that was one heck of a run"!
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« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2013, 08:46:05 AM »

    Well...I replied with my age but I still feel like I'm in my 20's. At least my wife tells me I still act like I am  Wink
Hey...who said you have to grow up!
 You only go around once in life so when my time comes to depart, I want it to be like sliding into home base and saying "that was one heck of a run"!
Mike
I agree! It´s not how old you are, it´s how old you feel inside that counts!!
.... I feel like 25 everytime I burn some rubber with the Camaro! Smiley

I also think that the reason for the next generation loosing interest in this hobby is due to the costs....
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« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2013, 09:37:01 AM »

Natural order of things Cheesy   Not many guys out there wearing " Flat heads Forever"  tee shirts any more ,and I have a box of old(vintage) hot rod mags where some looked down on "hopping up" these new V8's. On a good note , if you pick up a Good Guys mag looks like  the birth of Rat Rods is keeping the hobby alive and well. And some are done well ( some truly junk) ,all rolling art none the less. Over the top 6 figure street rods soured folks for a while then the hobby came back strong. Same is happening with the muscle cars. Opinions vary, my dad likes creating something from nothing--give him a shell and he's happy, he's more into gassers and his 38. I'm into restoring an old Day 2 car ,my 27 year old is into Hondas. In the true spirit of the hobby, these tuner guys are the next generation of Hot Rodders. Hitting junk yards ,swapping labor, creating something from nothing. They love the old iron , just unattainable $$ ( the 19yo is into college, no time for cars, he likes old Ford trucks)


Common thread is the love of getting in the garage ,going to the parts store and crossing your fingers it fires up with no leaks ! timeless.ageless Grin
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« Reply #4 on: December 11, 2013, 10:26:13 AM »

So, let a kid sit in your car at the next show...
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« Reply #5 on: December 11, 2013, 10:28:12 AM »

Expanding the upper age limit of the poll might produce some interesting trends.  Sixty was so long ago that I have difficulty relating.
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« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2013, 10:55:03 AM »

So, let a kid sit in your car at the next show...
That just maybe the answer.  I remember sitting in my uncles brand new 67 Firebird and him letting me drive it around the block when I was 13.  I've been hooked on F bodies ever since.  I'm going to make sure i give some young ones some rides this summer.
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« Reply #7 on: December 11, 2013, 11:03:01 AM »

Expanding the upper age limit of the poll might produce some interesting trends.  Sixty was so long ago that I have difficulty relating.

Added more to the upper range.
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« Reply #8 on: December 11, 2013, 11:16:20 AM »

 When I get to that age many years from now, I'll select the 80-100 range after I get my motorized dual battery F-body looking wheel chair and go 'cruzin for the grannies in my ward. By then I'll have that real aged patina look  Wink

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« Reply #9 on: December 11, 2013, 11:44:02 AM »

So, let a kid sit in your car at the next show...

yes-my dad did one better a few years back. He was showing 2 Anglias at the time. The blown  one caught the eye of a kid with severe disabilities. Helped get him from his chair to the car ,strapped him in and gave him a ride around the lot. I was not there but was told you  couldn't wipe the smile off that kid's face.
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« Reply #10 on: December 11, 2013, 11:51:27 AM »

So, let a kid sit in your car at the next show...

yes-my dad did one better a few years back. He was showing 2 Anglias at the time. The blown  one caught the eye of a kid with severe disabilities. Helped get him from his chair to the car ,strapped him in and gave him a ride around the lot. I was not there but was told you  couldn't wipe the smile off that kid's face.

That is awesome..  Your dad is very cool for doing that.  Thumbs up!!
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« Reply #11 on: December 11, 2013, 12:55:29 PM »

Well, I guess I'm on the younger end so far.
I believe the un-affordability of first gen Camaros is the reason for fewer young people getting involved. Young people still love them, but you cannot just go out and pick up a fixable, useable car for 2 or 3 grand. Those days are long gone. 2nd or 3rd gens may be their best bet...for now. I think you can buy a running, driving 90's Honda for a few Hundred bucks and still have some cash left for bolt-ons.
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« Reply #12 on: December 11, 2013, 01:05:58 PM »

I'm in the 50-60 age range and I have a T-shirt that says; "Still plays with cars."

You're only as old as you feel.
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« Reply #13 on: December 11, 2013, 01:19:40 PM »

I'm only a couple birthdays from 50. I always figured with my kid going off to college I'd feel a lot older ,not the case ,feel years younger. My wife feels the same way.
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« Reply #14 on: December 11, 2013, 01:50:57 PM »

just turned 44. my 19 yr old son is into muscle cars big time. he spends more time at the cruise-ins than I do nowadays....
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« Reply #15 on: December 11, 2013, 02:03:41 PM »

interesting poll.

1slow64, what does your 19yr old drive to the cruise-ins?
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« Reply #16 on: December 11, 2013, 04:11:06 PM »

I'm 37, own three Camaros and my 4 year old son is definately a car guy.  All he wants to do is play with his Hot Wheels and Matchbox cars.  When we go to car shows/cruises or vintage races he can name nearly every single kind of car we see.  He knows the names of all the Trans Am race cars and their drivers from the 60's/70's.  There can't be too many 4 year olds that know who Mark Donohue and Roger Penske are, in addition to George Follmer, Parnelli Jones, Jim Hall, Sam Posey, Dan Gurney, etc etc.  When we go to Indycar races he can name all of the drivers when he sees their corresponding cars in the paddack or on the track.  I've been teaching him this stuff since the day he was born.  Cars are certainly his favorite thing just like his dad.  Here are pictures of him driving and washing his own Camaro two summers ago when he was 3.  I know he will help keep the hobby and our Camaros alive when he gets older.
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« Reply #17 on: December 11, 2013, 04:26:55 PM »

Man enjoy, best pic I've seen in here so far .


Looks like the "old guys" are starting to catch up in the poll !  highway gears.
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« Reply #18 on: December 11, 2013, 05:10:45 PM »

Im 63. We have just one camaro in our family. The kids are all off with families of their own now, and my grandkids are not really into cars. Pity, thats ok, the wife and I will try to stay in our 20's as long as we can. And now that we're both retired, we can enjoy the car hobby even more.   Wink  Happy holidays everyone.
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« Reply #19 on: December 11, 2013, 06:54:27 PM »

Thanks for extending the "top stop" limit.  It won't let me change my response, however.  I am counted as "over 60" but I belong in the "mid-septuagenarian" bracket.
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« Reply #20 on: December 11, 2013, 07:17:08 PM »

There is an option in the poll setup that allows for the changing of a vote.  I don't know if the poll creator can see it but it is available on my screen.
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« Reply #21 on: December 11, 2013, 07:30:48 PM »

well, if we are including future Classic car enthusiasts I have to throw my son into the mix. This pic was taken when he was 4, (he is now 6). He loves calling out old cars as we are driving down the road or at a car show, and has taken it to the next level and is able to point out the year of certain makes and models. (he knows the differences with the tri fives and how to tell them apart). I never had power wheels growing up, just a couple of hand me down pedal cars, so when the time came I got him a nice one off of ebay for cheap.. Cheesy.
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« Reply #22 on: December 11, 2013, 07:31:57 PM »

here ya go
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« Reply #23 on: December 11, 2013, 07:34:23 PM »

and when ever I wash the cars all my kids rush out with there "rides" to wash as well...
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« Reply #24 on: December 11, 2013, 07:57:26 PM »

In 1969 I was 13 years old so buying a new camaro was out of the question, but in 1971 I met my sister's boyfriend. Rick he had and still has a 1966 427 425 hp corvette plus a 1955 chevy with tunnel ram intake. No one in my family was into cars, an my dad drove a Ford station wagon. Because of my soon to be brother in law sparked an interest in cool cars. I bought my first 1969  Camaro in 1977 and I still own it.
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« Reply #25 on: December 11, 2013, 08:05:49 PM »

There is an option in the poll setup that allows for the changing of a vote.  I don't know if the poll creator can see it but it is available on my screen.


I do not have the option.  Only options I have are adding options or clearing the votes and resetting them back to zero.
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« Reply #26 on: December 12, 2013, 02:17:27 AM »

So, let a kid sit in your car at the next show...

I have let both of my 18 year old Grandsons drive my Camaro and they love it.  They're both off to College right now though and the car's put away for a long winters nap. And I've given a bunch of the younger ones rides too, they love it when I "git on it".  I've attached a pic. of the one older Grandson when he was about 4, I had a '89 Camaro  at the time and let him go up and get the trophy.
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« Reply #27 on: December 12, 2013, 02:21:53 AM »

OH, and yes, my '67 is my own personal "Time Machine"!
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« Reply #28 on: December 12, 2013, 08:36:02 AM »

Like I've recently posted: let them kids get in there and "play" with the tools. A disturbing trend with the younger guys coming on my department is they have no mechanical knowledge what so ever. Or any other trade---too much xbox. I had a young guy scared to check the battery on a truck ,thought he'd get shocked. I yelled are you @#@ with me  ? He truly was embarrassed. Had to show him he would be alright. Double major from college, turning out to be a good firefighter and knows the trucks now. I introduced another one to the $$ savings in doing your own auto repair--he's now assembled a nice little garage in money saved---and proud of what he's working on. I guess having a father who was an industrial mechanic paid off a bit.(not always fun)

Bigger picture, problem solving and analytical skill sets are developed ,not to mention knowledge in physical science---explain how and why. Plus the 'cool pictures' when they were little! And your spending time with your kids.  win-win at any age
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« Reply #29 on: December 12, 2013, 08:48:28 AM »

  A couple of years ago I swapped out the 3/4 cam for a slight grind above stock for my restored L35. My 'rough idle' days are over.
The early 20's  kid across the street was hanging around and watching how to work on an old car. He laughed and told me, you guys change cams for performance, today we (younger) just change chips. I told him "you may be right, but back in the day to maintain these old machines, that's when men were men and the sheep knew it"   Grin

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« Reply #30 on: December 12, 2013, 09:46:56 AM »

FYI everyone.

If you need to change your age group steve68 has change the poll so it can be done.  Thanks Steve!
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« Reply #31 on: December 12, 2013, 11:56:55 AM »

Interesting that the majority are people that saw these new or slightly used. I am 47 and didn't really see many when I was in high school. New cars I saw were 1984ish. I had a new trans am with the 180 hp or so 305! Horrible motor. I would never want another. New cars now have the performance but don't hold their value and I could hardly get out of the ZL 1 I sat in lol. It was hard to see out of. It will be a few years before young people drop 50,000 on a newer muscle car. New or old they cost too much.
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« Reply #32 on: December 12, 2013, 12:14:15 PM »

And there you have it--do they really understand what changing the chip is actually doing ,probably not. Uggg--one of my older kid's buddy asked the HP of the Anglia--mean avg. of dyno pulls was 680 flywheel@7200. So he tells me he's building a 800hp 4 banger Honda to run in the 8's on NOS. Ha-one of my last times running the Z put one on the trailer when he hit the button to catch me---blew out the bottom end. Point is having been in and out of drag racing for years consistency and RELIABILITY wins rounds. I read the writings of an engine builder ,I think Sonny, who said you can easily make good HP---once, doing it over and over is the trick. I think that kid would have been a lot wiser watching and helping you out with that cam change Mike.
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« Reply #33 on: December 12, 2013, 12:49:19 PM »

And there you have it--do they really understand what changing the chip is actually doing ,probably not. Uggg--one of my older kid's buddy asked the HP of the Anglia--mean avg. of dyno pulls was 680 flywheel@7200. So he tells me he's building a 800hp 4 banger Honda to run in the 8's on NOS.

You can thank hollywood for that..  Tell him 8's for a honda would be respectable in the 1/8th..  lol 
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« Reply #34 on: December 12, 2013, 05:33:55 PM »

Like I've recently posted: let them kids get in there and "play" with the tools. A disturbing trend with the younger guys coming on my department is they have no mechanical knowledge what so ever. Or any other trade---too much xbox. I had a young guy scared to check the battery on a truck ,thought he'd get shocked. I yelled are you @#@ with me  ? He truly was embarrassed. Had to show him he would be alright. Double major from college, turning out to be a good firefighter and knows the trucks now. I introduced another one to the $$ savings in doing your own auto repair--he's now assembled a nice little garage in money saved---and proud of what he's working on. I guess having a father who was an industrial mechanic paid off a bit.(not always fun)

Bigger picture, problem solving and analytical skill sets are developed ,not to mention knowledge in physical science---explain how and why. Plus the 'cool pictures' when they were little! And your spending time with your kids.  win-win at any age
  I have swapped and rebuilt motors and Trans. with all 3 of my boys.  And have taught my 2 girls how to check all fluids, etc. under the hood, and they have come back to thank me.
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« Reply #35 on: December 12, 2013, 05:55:15 PM »

Am I reading the survey results right...?  NO ONE UNDER 30?  And less than 7% under age 40?  OMG...please say I am not seeing it right...that I missed something.

From this survey, I am in the "younger" group as I am in my 40's.  I have onwed a first gen Camaro since I was a teenager, and can not imagine not having one.  As it is now, I have two 69's, and think it quite normal.   I suppose that one day 20 years or so from now, these cars will be had for real cheap, as there will be very few people wanting to own one.  Sadly, none of the younger guys seem to want them.  

I blame this sad trend on first lame dads not taking their sons to a car show or teaching them how to work on cars, thus insuring they will be victims of unscrupulous mechanics for the rest of their lives.  When I was a teenager, I learned how to work on my car out of necessity.  I couldn't afford some garage to change my brakes, oil change, or other fix, so I did it myself.  Not to mention, at the rate I broke stuff, I had to learn how to make repairs, sometimes on the side of the road with very few tools.  I had the notion that if the moron working on my car at the mechanic shop could do it, so could I.  Next thing I knew, I was building entire cars.  

I also blame this on the big car companies not giving the younger crowd anything to get excited about.  I can't speak for all of you, but in my opinion, there isn't a car worth a damn built after 1973, save for a few exceptions.  These crappy junk boxes did nothing to get the next generation of kids wanting one.  Compound this with the fact that these cars were way too complicated, no horsepower, and could not be made to go fast easily or cheaply (Thank you Ralph Nader).  Add in the explosion of cars from Japan with the societal push to go green and drive small affordable, 4-banger economy boxes, and the fact they were making cars that did not break as often or need maintenace like those of the muscle car era.  Kids no longer "needed" to know how to work on their cars.  

I know guys who have never lifted the hood of their car, and have no desire to.  I find this amazing.  Of course, these are the same guys that think they own a comprehensive set of tools becasue they have a $10 box of Taiwan sockets, two screwdrivers, and a cheap pair of pliers.  They couldn't change their own wiper blades if you held a gun to their heads.  It is really no wonder why very few later generations got into cars...no one showed them, and there was just plain nothing to get excited about.  

Look at stock car racing.  Used to be these events got kids exicted about buying a car.  The old saying "Win on Sunday, buy on Monday" (or something like that).  Well, stock cars starting in the late 70's were not very stock.  Nowadays, remove the fiberglass bodies, and they all look the same.  No longer could you even think of buying anything at the dealership that even closely related to the cars at the races.  

Sadly, like the drive in theater, hang out diner, gas station mechanic, and chrome, enthusiasm for muscle cars is dying.  I consider myself lucky to have grown up loving old cars, my ability to fix them up, and getting into the car crowd.  I have never had a mechanic pull one over on me, that is, for the very few times I needed to even go to one (Usually new car warranty nonsense where they try to sell me some stupid repair amazingly NOT covered by the warranty).  

Anyway, I agree with the idea of getting the younger kids interested.  My next show, I am going to let a few rugrats hop in behind the steering wheel (gently of course) and see if that will help ignite a sparkle in their eyes.      
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« Reply #36 on: December 12, 2013, 07:12:28 PM »

On Saturday of our Autofairs, we have a morning and an afternoon youth program to interest pre-teens in classic cars.  About six years ago the guy in charge switched from using fifties cars (or earlier) to nineties cars, and the attendance tripled.  Why?  Because nineties cars will be the classics cars when these kids are old enough to buy/restore one.  Baby Boomer car guys and gals were starting to drive and/or buy cars when the First Gen Camaros were the craze. 
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« Reply #37 on: December 12, 2013, 07:14:07 PM »

I have to be honest.  Im not surprised by the poll.  I am 35 and I am a little different than most every other person my age.  Growing up my father was my hero and when he was out in the garage working on his or someone elses car I was right there with him.  Going to junkyards, swap meets, car shows and cruise-ins were the norm for me.  All the people that I talk to and hang out with are older because the people my age do not have the same interest as myself and all of you here.  Before I moved back to TN I lived in Bowling Green, KY and while there the big things were and still are the LS cars of the late 90's through todays cars and I actually did a lot of high performance tuning and building of these cars through our performance shop.  If I were a betting man I would venture to say that the current and next generation will have the same interests and desires as we do with the 60's muscle but with the 4th and 5th generation Camaros.  I am afraid that these cars will eventually become as another has said of the post war and 50's cars..  I hope I am wrong but with the increase of prices due to auction houses and people willing to spend stupid money for a car has eliminated most of the "normal folks" that may love the cars equally but do not have the financial abilities.  The another sad thing is the the knowledge of these cars is eventually going to dwindle to just a handful of folks that had the same interests as their parents or relatives or someone that sparked that desire of wanting to understand and fill there minds of the knowledge.

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« Reply #38 on: December 12, 2013, 08:08:14 PM »

Man you guys are depressing me here... Cry A couple of us have sons and or grandsons were doing our part to get tools in their hands or cars (hot wheels) on their brains. My daughters also play the car game of pointing out classics when were on the road, and luckily by the time I am deemed to old to drive my vehicles I can then have all of my "student" drivers who will be in their 30's or 40's take me around in my old cars, and hopefully some of their own classics. I figure I am just getting started on building a fleet for them to learn on, or learn from. I have no problems giving kids rides in my vehicles, but until all of mine are potty trained, I don't have a lot of extra time to bring a car to a car show.

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« Reply #39 on: December 12, 2013, 08:29:42 PM »

I'm 32, so pretty close to the 20-30 age group Smiley I've told my story before, I think there's been a few threads over the years similar to this one. Fortunately for me, my dad has always been a car guy. The 'trick' was taking me to car shows and occasionally the track. In my teens/20's, I was more interested in sports (what my friends were into), but still enjoyed cars. I had zero technical ability back then. It wasn't until a few years ago I rediscovered the old Camaro that had lingered around the garage during my childhood. My dad and I restored it, learned a tremendous amount along the way (insert CRG plug here!). Wouldn't trade it for the world. Now I refuse to buy a new vehicle as a daily driver, I'm finding enjoyment in seeing how long I can keep my old Explorer running (by doing my own service on it). My friends laugh at my wheels, but I take pride in keeping it running. Anyone car buy a new, reliable car. Takes someone skilled to keep an old one going down the road.

Common thread seems to be getting kids engaged at a young age, whether it be car shows, taking them for a ride, etc. Maybe next time you take your kid to a show, make them bring a few friends Smiley

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« Reply #40 on: December 12, 2013, 08:44:44 PM »

Stands to reason the 50-60 year olds are leading the poll here---you were the big kids in the neighborhood when I was wrenching on bikes! My dad who is 68 owned but had no real love of muscle cars---he's into gassers and hot rods. Cars he wanted to build when he was a  teen. My son's passion are pre 98 Ford pick ups. Says when he graduates college looking for a 96-97 power stroke out west. Treats his 90 F150 Lariat like a show truck.

And yes ,I agree lazy parenting has led to lazy kids. My generation's mistake. Not all of us though.
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« Reply #41 on: December 12, 2013, 09:23:14 PM »

As my son is getting older, he's starting to get more interested in cars.  It's not easy though since he like to spend his free time with TV and video games.  I drag him to car shows, out crusing around the neighborhood, and have him help out.

Last week he asked me who gets my Camaros when I die.  lol.  I guess he might be a little more interested than I initially thought.

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« Reply #42 on: December 12, 2013, 09:52:21 PM »

I tell my kids and grandkids that I'll probably have to *turn my cars into food* in my retirement..  Smiley
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« Reply #43 on: December 12, 2013, 09:58:43 PM »

did you tell him your going to buried in it???  Cheesy (great photo)
I have already started telling my kids they need to pick out their own ride that we can fix up. They just saw me turn out a convertible, so they are starting to realize you can shine these old cars up like an old penny, you don't need to start off with a polished gem. So in about 10 years I have the idea of a base car (60's mustang camaro cuda, or a shoe box) and then making a nice clone: yenko shelby RT. they can drive it beat on it whatever if something happens to it, it won't be the end of the world. Then if they want to do another we can get a little more serious. They will learn a lot and as Dusk blue stated they will know a bit on how to keep it on the road, and any other vehicle for that matter.
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« Reply #44 on: December 12, 2013, 10:01:43 PM »

I tell my kids and grandkids that I'll probably have to *turn my cars into food* in my retirement..  Smiley

Gary I think you could eat well just by selling one!
just depends on your appetite ....
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« Reply #45 on: December 13, 2013, 12:38:29 PM »

For everybody worried about their cars losing their value you should sell now. I think they are losing every day anyway. I never liked what ïnvestors did to my hobby, they ruined it. I hope the prices drop/level out. less people after them the better for all real Camaro  people.  My cars are not for sale anyway. Hopefully my kids will be able to snag one in the furture... for cheap.   Just my two cents    Victor
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« Reply #46 on: December 13, 2013, 01:25:52 PM »

I agree with the above.  Yes, I am happy that my Camaros are worth a small fortune and could pay off my house for what they may sell for.  But I hate the fact that I am scared to leave them alone in a parking lot for fear they will get stolen.  The fact that I can't buy another project Camaro as even the horrible ones are astronomical.  I hate the fraud and crookedness it has brought to this hobby.  That I can't trust what a trim tag says.  I hate that ebay has more RS Z/28 or COPO Camaros listed than were originally built.  Heck, I can not afford to buy my own Camaros.

In 1987, I bought my first 69 Camaro for $90, and I drove it home.  I spent $800 to redo the interior, fix up the motor, mag wheels and paint.  It got me to college for two years.  I parked it out on the street, many times, with the doors unlocked.  I never worried it would be stolen.  I sold it to a car dealer who approached me with $3,000, which was an absolute fortune in my opinion.  I would pay 5 times that to have it back of course.  My next several 69 Camaros were bought for $700 and $1,000, and were in solid decent shape.  My 68 RS Convertible with solid perfect body and floors, was had for $1,600.  You could go to the junk yard or swap meet and find every part you wanted.  At swap meets you could find console gauges for $20, set of bucket seats for $40, and all the chrome trim pieces for .50 cents each.  Those days are gone, and I do long for them.  I would gladly give up the value of my Camaros to have those days back...but alas, like my youthful looks, and painfree body, are dust in the wind.   

A friend of mine just sold his 69 for $137K at Barrett Jackson. 

http://www.barrett-jackson.com/application/onlinesubmission/lotdetails.aspx?ln=769&aid=467

It was a very nice car, but it was a non-numbers big block with standard interior.  I am amazed at this.  At this price, this car is not going to make it in the hands of the average young kid.  Heck, the average anyone can not afford this.  This car will not be seen at the local car shows, or seen tearing up the streets around town.  It is now going to be traded and sold like a commodity.  This is one of the reasons our hobby will die.  Like jet-setting, yachting or playing polo, only the very few chosen can afford it.  15 years ago, this Camaro  would have sold for about $15K, and that would have been about right. 

Between the rich scooping up all the cool Camaros, the fraudsters contributing to the problem, I guess it's easy to see why kids are into small foreign jobs.  If the cool cars are no longer obtainable, then make the obtainable cars cool.  That's what we did if you think about it.  We could afford Porsches or Ferraris, so will built them out of the poor man's cruiser.  I laugh at the stupid kid that puts a coffee can muffler on his SubaMitsuYotaSsan, but this is not unlike me fliipping my air cleaner lid upside down, or installing glass packs.  Today's spoiler monstrosities are my generations rear airshocks turning my car into a sliding board when tapping the brakes. 

So, I guess I should give the rice burner kidz a break.  There stupid tricks are just them doing as I did when I was young. 

Thanks for the depressing, but fun look at our hobby.  I suppose as long as all of us here have breath, there will be muscle cars somewhere.

 


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« Reply #47 on: December 13, 2013, 02:47:04 PM »

Not so much about the cars but we're getting older !  I ran my crew up 11 flights of stairs ,in full gear a few weeks ago for jokingly calling me an old man on a call--I led, in gear. I'm not so depressed ,they were sucking wind.


I see the cars dropping, some. Willis and Anglia's were through the roof a few years back and have stabled(adjusted) Supply and demand. I'm still only 47 , time will tell.
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« Reply #48 on: December 13, 2013, 03:55:58 PM »

Well owning old cars in the future may be a who you know type thing (to get a deal), kinda like getting into the fire dept....
( I couldn't beat out the chiefs son and a minority no matter how good my test scores were) sorry Jano had to throw that in there.  Cry Grin
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« Reply #49 on: December 13, 2013, 04:02:36 PM »

No offence  Grin
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« Reply #50 on: December 13, 2013, 04:09:21 PM »

Seriously though, I am going to keep acquiring vehicles/projects, if my son gets into and then had a friend(s) who had a passion for it I wouldn't mind hooking them up with a deal on a project car, getting out the mig welder doing some patch panels with them, buy a gallon of bondo and get some elbow grease out and teach them the value and skill of doing your own body work.  & then Shoot them in primer. Hell if they bought the paint I would paint them up for them as well.  I can paint good enough for a teenagers daily driver. Time will tell
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« Reply #51 on: December 13, 2013, 05:39:42 PM »

Guy's for all the reasons listed.... Live for today, pass on your knowage and enjoy your lover of these beautiful cars an don't look in the rearview mirror. Wink
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« Reply #52 on: December 13, 2013, 07:06:58 PM »

You know Bullitt, don't overlook Vocational training while having them take college prep courses. Everything is 2 year post HS anyway. He was involved in SKILLS competition, wonderful! For all trades, his was welding. Ended up going to Kansas city for Nationals ,placed 5th overall ,#1 TIG. Against every state including Alaska, Hawaii and Puerto Rico. Prizes, scholarships--wonderful program. sort of off the tread ,sorry Red Gorilla !
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« Reply #53 on: December 14, 2013, 11:07:59 AM »

Good point Jano, I will be thankful and glad if I am in your shoes when my son gets out of high school and knows the direction he is going in and has the drive to get there. I just have to harness all of his energy and keep him going in the right direction. If he really has a passion for welding or talent using his hands I will be his biggest fan. I just want to make sure I expose him to enough diverse subjects and activities that he ends up really finding himself along the way, and realizes what makes him tick.
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or rather: identify which skills he has that could be rare and valuable in the workplace – and then to hone those skills till he has career capital that he can spend in the way he chooses. Wink

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« Reply #54 on: December 14, 2013, 11:45:06 AM »

All started with a FFA project and "Grandpa" putting an electrode holder in his hand to start fabricating some rear shock mounts. Senior year was doing major chassis modifications on a street rod in school . Really quality craftsmanship ,caught a lot of people's eyes.
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« Reply #55 on: December 14, 2013, 01:48:42 PM »

Its funny, My Dad was a computer programmer and my Mother was in biological science and somehow I still ended up as the "moron at the mechanic shop". My dad had the $10 Taiwan set of tools and worked on his VW and the lawn mower and I always thought he was a mechanic. From a very early age I was fascinated by tools and things with moving parts and my Dad's ability to fix them.  We never had any muscle cars or anything nor did we attend any car shows when I was growing up and my Dad laughed and made fun of me when I sold my collection of VWs to buy a 79 Camaro (couldn't afford a running driving first gen in the early 90s). These cars were never shown or pushed on me, nor was working on them, they simply made an impression on me on their own. I don't think there is any question whether the kids today are going to like and want old Camaros, I think it'll be more a matter of practicality if the next generations are going to own them. I know every day on my way to work I pass a kid waiting fur the school bus, 9 or 10 years old, and when I drive my 68 his eyes are glued on me the entire time he can see me. However, when I'm driving my Subaru (factory winged car), I get only a partial look.
I often wish I was more interested in computers or science because working on cars has very, very little to do with "turning wrenches", repairing or welding anything anymore. Those fun things are left more for the restoration shops, custom shops and hobbyists. I see so many young guys that don't make it past changing oil and tires because its simply not interesting. Teaching our kids how to bleed brakes, build big blocks and paint candy colors will NOT keep them from getting screwed at the at the auto shop unless their daily driver is 30+ years old. Sorry. Let them help you diagnose an intermittent Local Area Network problem on that new Camaro.

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« Reply #56 on: December 14, 2013, 04:12:32 PM »

Voted today, but moving up a notch in May.
Odd sorting format? 0-20 near middle of list Over 70 below that, under 70 above. Not hat it matters, just an observation. Also an overlap on the decades. Any age ending in 0 fits two clusters.

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« Reply #57 on: December 14, 2013, 07:01:45 PM »

Not surprising that we skew old(er)...
this is an expensive hobby and us older guys have more discretionary income to spend.
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« Reply #58 on: December 14, 2013, 08:50:03 PM »

Voted today, but moving up a notch in May.
Odd sorting format? 0-20 near middle of list Over 70 below that, under 70 above. Not hat it matters, just an observation.

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If the whole thread would have been read it would have been noticed that the ages listed below 0-20 was added after the fact.   Wink


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« Reply #59 on: December 14, 2013, 10:10:40 PM »

We all own Camaros and are trying to get it all correct, does that mean we are all OCD?
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« Reply #60 on: December 15, 2013, 07:34:26 AM »

We all own Camaros and are trying to get it all correct, does that mean we are all OCD?

It was a joke buddy...  Hence the smiley...   Wink
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« Reply #61 on: December 15, 2013, 05:17:01 PM »

So I feel like I can weigh in on this as it looks like so far I am the youngest one here. Being that I'm only 27 I must say that I'm into this because I literally grew up with it and racing. Like I said in previous posts my Dad had a 1969 Daytona Yellow Rally-Z. Now that I'm a little older I wanted ken myself. I've thought about that car so much and it has been brought up many times over the heads about how nice a car it could of been if it was done better. Well now that I found a true Daytona Yellow (X-33) car I'm going it make it look exactly like my Dad's did roughly 24 years ago.

Some people say don't make  a z/28 into a Rally-Z but for me it's what I've always thought about and what I remember. I will never get rid of my car so resale value is not that important to me. Plus I've had many conversations with my Dad and Uncle about wether these cars are even going to be worth anything 30-40 years from now. Here's a few examples why... who can afford them? I busted my butt to get a rolling body (X-33). It wasn't exactly cheap by any means. My wife will never be able to drive a non power steering, 4-speed car. Driving my Uncles Copo with no power steering and 4-speed wasn't a walk in the park but to me it was fun. Can't say anyone else I know considers "Driving" a car fun.

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« Reply #62 on: December 15, 2013, 05:32:35 PM »

"Some people say don't make  a z/28 into a Rally-Z but for me it's what I've always thought about and what I remember. I will never get rid of my car so resale value is not that important to me. "
 
Dy,

  Many of us have been where you are. Some stay the die-hard puritan path while others deviate and make it into what they want it to be for reasons that only matter to them.
What matters most is what you want.
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« Reply #63 on: December 15, 2013, 05:52:13 PM »

I agree with everything you said, I'm going to make the car the way I remember it and the way the pictures show.  I can't wait to take a picture in front of my completed Rally-Z now that I'm old (27).
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« Reply #64 on: December 15, 2013, 06:13:24 PM »

That is what I'm doing--and I got 20 birthdays on you --been with the car 38 years this spring. If opinions didn't vary ,we'd still all be driving Model T's---black. Your car looks great BTY.
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« Reply #65 on: December 15, 2013, 10:32:08 PM »

We all own Camaros and are trying to get it all correct, does that mean we are all OCD?

It was a joke buddy...  Hence the smiley...   Wink

no worries, all I'm saying is we all have our things we like a certain way. For Tom he likes the polls logically planned and well thought out and tested. I started a poll last month only to see little flaws after the fact. Tongue It is what it is man...
I appreciate you taking the time to post it. Cheesy
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« Reply #66 on: December 15, 2013, 11:50:50 PM »

I can feel for both sides of this discussion, but for me personally I think my Mom once summed it up pretty well.  "I don't think they will ever build a car that you guys will leave the way it is"!  My brother and I have both bought brand new cars an brought them right home and put on Mag wheels and different Tires, etc. the very same day.  Thus, why my car is the way it is.  There was nothing Rare about the car as it was, so why not?  BTW, my brother and I are in the group were in our teens  when these new, so IF we had bought one of these new in the day it probably would have ended up exactly the way it is now.
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« Reply #67 on: December 16, 2013, 12:44:31 AM »

Well, as much as I lean toward stock,  Dy rally isn't doing anything that couldn't be changed back, it sounds like just bolt on stuff for the most part. So if his kid gets the car and wants to make it stock it could be done.
Anybody can do anything with a car they own is true, I just prefer most owners don't make mods to the cars that are more than paint and nut and bolt items.
I am not very old but have seen my share of fender flares, cut up floors , and sun roofs installed, and thought each time.."man thats to bad" . IMO hotrods lend themselves to these ideas, they look like more of a blank canvas to me. To the 80 yr old guys though maybe they like those all stock.
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« Reply #68 on: December 16, 2013, 09:00:35 AM »

Not so sure stock vs modified is an age thing, more of an affinity.
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« Reply #69 on: December 16, 2013, 09:28:19 AM »

yup--any question go to a nostalgic gasser meet ,most of the folks got at least ten years on my parents--and the "kids" are my age Cheesy
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« Reply #70 on: December 16, 2013, 10:07:06 AM »

As far as me making my Z/28 into a Rally-Z I'm going all the way that it's going to be near impossible to be said otherwise. We are cutting the hole in the fire wall for the vacuum line, it already had RS fenders with tabs, buying the rear tail lamp template to cut out the back up lights, RS inner fenders, etc. I'm doing it all the way. If there's anything I missed someone message me please.  The car is going to be with me for the long haul. As far as giving it to one of my kids...the way I see it I'm 27 now and my wife and I haven't even started yet. By the time my kids would be old enough I doubt they would have much interest in a then 60ish year old car that's not easy to drive. Who knows what we all will be driving 20 years from now.
I wanted to buy my Uncles 69 COPO very bad but the thing that was weighing in my mind was would it be worth the 80k I spent on it 50 years from now? 
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« Reply #71 on: December 16, 2013, 12:16:55 PM »

80k for a copo depending on condition would be a good deal. It costs quite a bit to restore a car the right way. I don't know what your initial investment was but when you figure paint and all of the small stuff it gets expensive. How about a pic of the copo?
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« Reply #72 on: December 16, 2013, 01:18:19 PM »

DyRally,
If you know anyone who has a rally sport you could refer to it would help. My brother did his while my Rally was sitting beside it and he threw away the instructions and templates.
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« Reply #73 on: December 16, 2013, 01:20:38 PM »

It was in camaros.net. He said he didn't get many offers on it. So does that say anything for a rotisserie restored, highly optioned numbers matching minus engine COPO as far as the prices go?

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I wanted his car so bad. From the pictures you can see why
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« Reply #74 on: December 16, 2013, 01:39:23 PM »

very cool looking car. thanks
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