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« on: December 04, 2013, 04:13:01 PM »



The M15 is difficult to read as it appears as a M18 except at the perfect angle.

The whole thing is double imaged on the windshield and is in a 12C 69 Big Block Conv. upon close inspection the glass doesn't appear to have been removed at any point.
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« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2013, 12:27:16 AM »

But clearly, that's not OEM glass and would never have made it into the plant.
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« Reply #2 on: December 05, 2013, 01:03:41 AM »

I have the same windshield in my Z. Put in in 78 or so when rust was repaired around the dash.
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« Reply #3 on: December 05, 2013, 03:18:20 PM »



The M15 is difficult to read as it appears as a M18 except at the perfect angle.

The whole thing is double imaged on the windshield and is in a 12C 69 Big Block Conv. upon close inspection the glass doesn't appear to have been removed at any point.

James is the glass sescured/set with the orig cloth type seal ?
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« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2013, 11:27:33 PM »

Here are some detailed photos of the glass and bed.





You can clearly see where the suede was broken with a hard tape line.
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« Reply #5 on: December 06, 2013, 01:23:32 AM »

Steve,
Yes it is secured with the cloth type seal.
The last pic above shows the weave through the glass just above and to the right of the glass stay.
I can get some more photos, however I beleive the above pic illustrates the seal well.

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« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2013, 06:56:37 AM »

Better Photo of the cloth type seal...
So Steve are there others out there?

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« Reply #7 on: August 27, 2014, 04:32:03 PM »

I have the same windshield in my Z. Put in in 78 or so when rust was repaired around the dash.

By "same" you obviously are not saying it is installed with the factory cloth type seal, however are you stating that your windshield does not have a DOT marking and that the Glass markings are EXACTLY as the one illustrated letter for letter or does yours have a similar looking Brand Logo with details being different?

So another member has contacted me with a 68 L78 survivor his father purchased new it also has a non DOT Shat-R-Proof front glass (never replaced)... that makes 2... anyone else have one?
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« Reply #8 on: August 27, 2014, 08:59:35 PM »

I don't remember if it's dot or not. I am not with the car right now. I will check when I get home.
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« Reply #9 on: August 29, 2014, 06:24:02 PM »

 All Norwood first gens should have an LOF windshield. It is a legal requirement to  have the AS-1 the M-  and the DOT  as part of the monogram. LA Camaros should have an Lof windshield as well. Its possible for a PPG to have made it into a few also as they had the windshield contract for the Firebird.

 Shat r proof is an agr or aftermarket supplier
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« Reply #10 on: August 29, 2014, 07:58:38 PM »

So another member has contacted me with a 68 L78 survivor his father purchased new it also has a non DOT Shat-R-Proof front glass (never replaced)... that makes 2... anyone else have one?




Not the greatest pic but



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« Reply #11 on: August 31, 2014, 07:05:52 PM »

All Norwood first gens should have an LOF windshield. It is a legal requirement to  have the AS-1 the M-  and the DOT  as part of the monogram. LA Camaros should have an Lof windshield as well. Its possible for a PPG to have made it into a few also as they had the windshield contract for the Firebird.

 Shat r proof is an agr or aftermarket supplier
I am going to have to disagree... I have provided detailed evidence showing at least 2 Norwood cars had Shat-r-proof windshields installed at the factory.

Do you know that Shat-r-proof did not supply a small batch of windshields, to keep prices in line from the current suppliers, for production suitability tests in the process of adding a new vendor, or insert reason here,
I have no way of knowing what thousands of employees in multiple plants did to accommodate production on any given day which is why I have devoted  time and provide directly observed and documented data for aggregation.

Until I was contracted to paint the above car I would have never thought Shat-R-Proof glass could be Norwood installed, however when I started taking it apart it was apparent the glass had never been removed, which is why I posted everything before I removed the glass.   

I enjoy the research of production anomalies, if you have relevant directly observed or personally gathered data I eagerly await your reply.

 
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« Reply #12 on: August 31, 2014, 07:24:42 PM »

Just a plausible explanation I will throw out here: Cars did get damaged in transit, that is a fact. Some where damaged before they left the plant parking storage. Some were damaged at the dealer lot too. Who knows, maybe GM supplied the cloth covered seals in those repairs... and those windshields have been on those cars since delivery to the 1st owner, so , since new. explains a lot. I have seen a lot of sheetmetal repairs and overspray on new cars as well. Also historically speaking, there was a lot of unrest during this time in our country (protests and riots) that could have interrupted usual supply chains.
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« Reply #13 on: August 31, 2014, 10:11:39 PM »

Here is the windshield in my 07A X77 3 owner car.
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« Reply #14 on: August 31, 2014, 11:57:26 PM »

Thought this was interesting. Note the date of Dec 7th 1970 and the statement in the first paragraph "The litigants are suppliers of replacement windshields, not original equipment suppliers."

http://www.leagle.com/decision/19701176322FSupp854_11029.xml/SHATTERPROOF%20GLASS%20CORP.%20v.%20GUARDIAN%20GLASS%20COMPANY
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