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« on: October 26, 2013, 06:44:45 AM »

I have my big block on the stand and it will be buttoned up from the intake to the pan by tomorrow. I will put on a good self etching primer for now but will want to put on the correct orange soon. I am trying to do a concourse frame off restoration on my car and want to do everything as close to factory correct as possible. If I'm not mistaken the factory used a big pot spray gun to paint the engines back in the day. What are you concourse, original guys using to paint the Chevy orange? I know most people use a rattle can but I was thinking about using a paint gun. Any suggestions or past experiences or correct paint color numbers would be helpful.
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« Reply #1 on: October 26, 2013, 08:41:34 AM »

I'm using the POR-15 system. I've read some restorers ( judges) use  Seymour EN-48 engine enamel. Read more ,quite a bit on this topic in here.
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« Reply #2 on: October 26, 2013, 10:17:04 AM »

I'm using the POR-15 system. I've read some restorers ( judges) use  Seymour EN-48 engine enamel. Read more ,quite a bit on this topic in here.

Let us know how that turns out.  I had a bad experience with that stuff and apparently I had a bad can.
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« Reply #3 on: October 26, 2013, 12:59:42 PM »

With my Chevrolet products I use the paint from "Quanta Products". Have passed in all judging
like NCRS/AACA. http://www.gastanks.com/Restoration-Spray-Paints/products/1954/
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« Reply #4 on: October 26, 2013, 06:57:08 PM »

Is there anything wrong with the speed shop spray can paint like Chevy Orange VHT or is it the thing to mix and spray? Some of us can't do that.
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« Reply #5 on: October 26, 2013, 11:08:08 PM »

I don't personally like the VHT "chevy orange", or the Aervoe. It sprays fine and adheres ok, but the color just doesn't look right to me. Too bright and it seems a bit to much red in it? When I look at original engines they look more pumpkin orange ( for lack of a better description). So my query would be is the quanta products more spot on to the original color?
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« Reply #6 on: October 26, 2013, 11:16:48 PM »

Thanks for all the input and suggestions. I will check on these and also look back at old forums as mentioned.
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« Reply #7 on: October 27, 2013, 12:16:19 AM »

I'm using the POR-15 system. I've read some restorers ( judges) use  Seymour EN-48 engine enamel. Read more ,quite a bit on this topic in here.
X2 on the Seymour EN-28.  Was recommended to me by Jerry M.
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« Reply #8 on: October 27, 2013, 08:09:13 AM »

Is there anything wrong with the speed shop spray can paint like Chevy Orange VHT or is it the thing to mix and spray? Some of us can't do that.

Nothing wrong with VHT . I've always used--like the color and it holds up. Just looking for another excuse to purchase a HPLV spray gun set. I'm on a budget ( kids in college). Way cheaper in the long run vs. powder coating--maybe a little more self satisfaction. And I can use the detail gun for the engine !  Shout out to Rustoleum  also. Continuing to be a PITA removing from everything, but did it's job for preservation.

I  prefer " burnt orange" over "pumpkin orange"---But if all our opinions were the same we would still be driving Model T's--BLACK.
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« Reply #9 on: October 27, 2013, 09:47:02 AM »

I generally use Seymour on my cars and have had good luck. That includes my 67 National Top Flight Vette.

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« Reply #10 on: October 27, 2013, 01:07:35 PM »

I've always used the Quanta Chevy Orange - right color, right gloss (most of the others are too red and way too glossy for correct appearance); I think you'll find that the Quanta paint is actually Seymour paint, re-labeled.  Smiley
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« Reply #11 on: October 27, 2013, 01:58:42 PM »

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« Reply #12 on: October 27, 2013, 04:57:57 PM »

X3  On the Seymour brand EN-48 .  My BBC came out great with this paint
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« Reply #13 on: October 31, 2013, 09:13:36 PM »

Jerry M rebuilt and restored the 302 for my Z.   He used Seymour paint.

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« Reply #14 on: November 01, 2013, 04:52:13 PM »

If yours is the big block make sure you have the cast exhaust manifolds on when you do it.
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« Reply #15 on: November 01, 2013, 06:30:56 PM »

Why? why not just mask off the holes?
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« Reply #16 on: November 01, 2013, 08:10:21 PM »

If yours is the big block make sure you have the cast exhaust manifolds on when you do it.

Yes, and wasn't the water pump on before paint on the big block so therefore a bare look on some of the timing cover and back of the water pump?
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« Reply #17 on: November 01, 2013, 08:12:37 PM »

Jerry M rebuilt and restored the 302 for my Z.   He used Seymour paint.


Wow Jerry does a nice job! Thanks again guys for all the responses and input!
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« Reply #18 on: November 02, 2013, 09:51:54 AM »

Why? why not just mask off the holes?

Because the engine was painted with both the exhause manifolds and water pump on therefore you would have over spray on the manifold and the water pump to intake hose. If you want to get as close as factory correct as possible that is the way to do it.
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« Reply #19 on: November 02, 2013, 09:53:52 AM »

If yours is the big block make sure you have the cast exhaust manifolds on when you do it.

Yes, and wasn't the water pump on before paint on the big block so therefore a bare look on some of the timing cover and back of the water pump?

Correct there should also be overspray on the coolant hose between the pump and intake.

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« Reply #20 on: November 02, 2013, 11:35:17 AM »

So not just overspray on the manifolds, those manifolds are completely orange in the picture?? Wow I never knew that was the way they left the factory!
Your definition of "overspray" and mine must be quite a bit different.
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« Reply #21 on: November 02, 2013, 05:19:29 PM »

I've never seen an exhaust manifold with that significant a paint coating, not 'back then,  nor even on restored cars.   I think the exhaust manifolds were installed, but there was no attempt to paint the entire manifold, in fact,I believe there was an effort by the engine painter to minimize paint on the exhaust (it burned off almost immediately when the engine was ran).
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« Reply #22 on: November 02, 2013, 06:32:07 PM »

 It must have smelt pretty bad on the line where installed engines were fired up for the first time and exhaust manifold paint started to burn off. I'll be it would have been an OSHA violation if they had existed back then!

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« Reply #23 on: November 02, 2013, 09:12:42 PM »

MAybe it did burn off pretty quickly, but from your picture that is not a little bit of over spray, IMO that is somebody just hosing it with chevy orange! Shocked
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« Reply #24 on: November 02, 2013, 09:37:52 PM »

Come on ! no trace of orange on my OE manifolds , maybe it burned off. Somewhere it boils down what looks good. vs. perception of "correct"
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« Reply #25 on: November 03, 2013, 08:22:17 AM »

Come on ! no trace of orange on my OE manifolds , maybe it burned off. Somewhere it boils down what looks good. vs. perception of "correct"
Yeah, everyone's engine is going to look different. To me, the Seymour paint on that 302 looks too red. However, I like the lower gloss. I don't think most of us could bring ourselves to paint them like they were at the factory, with all the thin and bare spots, runs and sags. Jerry Macneish's engines look very neat and "perfect" probably not because he believes they came that way new. An artistic recreation of what an engine COULD have looked like when it was new would be subjected to so much criticism.

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« Reply #26 on: November 03, 2013, 09:40:11 AM »

In the last 42 years I have seen many low mileage engines and remember getting complete engines with painted manifolds on at the Chevy dealer I worked at. Generally engines came without manifolds or paint unless it was ordered within the production year. In 69 the engine was painted with manifolds on and the entire outboard side was painted all the way down. On an original block it left a unpainted shadow behind the manifolds that would rust. I tried to replicate painting my engine as the factory did but painted behind the manifolds and had exhaust manifolds coated so the would not rust as much. The paint burned off within 2 minuets on the dyno and left me with close to factory appearance. Pictures show a 29 mile 70 454 engine, a 29K 70 454 engine, and my engine fresh off the dyno. You can clearly see in the second picture how a engine with aluminum intake used a mask to cover the intake and bypass hose. Note the paint on lower half of the clamp. Cast iron intakes did not use the paint mask so the bypass hose was painted. George.
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« Reply #27 on: November 03, 2013, 10:05:25 AM »

Thanks George. I did not even think of the aluminum intakes being masked. How is yours coming along and since it was on the dyno what kind of numbers did it make?
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« Reply #28 on: November 03, 2013, 12:56:00 PM »

Being a Corvette guy also; have gone to many Al Grenning/John Hinckley seminairs. IIRC the painting process changed in 1968. Prior
to that there was some overspray on the exhaust manifolds but none on them from 1968 on up. Correct me if I am wrong. Larry
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« Reply #29 on: November 03, 2013, 09:46:00 PM »

George those pics are a great reference, but they don't look like they were once covered completely with orange. Is it your opinion that they were and all of it burned off except around the bolt holes?
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« Reply #30 on: November 04, 2013, 08:00:27 AM »

I believe the big block manifolds were entirely painted and the paint burned off on the hotter areas leaving paint around the bolted areas. It actually just flakes off rather than burning. Here is a quote from John Hinkley on another discussion. http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=9898.0
"Your photos look fine to me. Iron-intake big-blocks didn't get any masking, and the bypass hose was pretty much completely painted; aluminum-intake big-blocks did get a mask, and their bypass hoses will show somewhat less paint than on an iron-intake car. Tonawanda painted the big-block engine with the exhaust manifolds in place, and they had lots of paint, as shown by the photo on the Camaro assembly line. Flint V-8 (small-blocks), on the other hand, installed the exhaust manifolds AFTER engine painting starting in 1965, so post-'64 Flint-built small-block exhaust manifolds won't show any paint.
Attached is a photo from 1967 assembly line showing a full size car with BB with manifolds completely painted. George
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« Reply #31 on: January 14, 2014, 03:09:09 PM »

I know this is an older post but I wanted to add an engine pic of a small block Nova when it was new on the lot of Mann Chevrolet.

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« Reply #32 on: January 14, 2014, 04:00:42 PM »

That looks like an exhaust manifold (on a '69 small block engine) that has a significant amount of engine paint on it....??
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« Reply #33 on: January 14, 2014, 07:30:27 PM »

That looks like an exhaust manifold (on a '69 small block engine) that has a significant amount of engine paint on it....??
   In addition, I've had a conversation recently about if today's replacement brake lines using colored end connectors existed in the first gen or were they just plain steel color. In this picture I see what looks like green end caps on the brake line attached to the master cylinder front output.
 I also noticed the left fender splash shield is not tucked in as was originally stated they should be. And the upper control arm end cap definitely looks black.

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« Reply #34 on: January 14, 2014, 08:00:22 PM »

That looks like an exhaust manifold (on a '69 small block engine) that has a significant amount of engine paint on it....??
   In addition, I've had a conversation recently about if today's replacement brake lines using colored end connectors existed in the first gen or were they just plain steel color. In this picture I see what looks like green end caps on the brake line attached to the master cylinder front output.
 I also noticed the left fender splash shield is not tucked in as was originally stated they should be. And the upper control arm end cap definitely looks black.

Got to love these old photos for references.

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Also master cylinder not painted vs semi gloss black..  Need to confirm all years but sure looks like 69 was not painted.
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« Reply #35 on: January 14, 2014, 08:48:25 PM »

Always figured master cylinders were cast. Suckers bet on exhaust manifolds ,how long to burn the paint off? Mine have no trace of paint and were removed soon after the car was bought That Nova probably just rolled off the trailer to the lot. Surprised on the fittings. Mine are OE with no trace of color. Maybe a light spray for ID which quickly wore off ?  What wouldn't you want off that lot Darrell ?? Sort of depressing--I would have been 3 when the pic was taken. Novas ? Never really popular or considered muscle cars around here back in the day. Work cars. When I was a kid growing up, everybody's dad in the neighborhood parked their "work car or truck in the street" Lot of Novas. My Dad had one. Cheap, easy to work on, dependable and he didn't care about it. Although same platform as a Camaro. Same goes for mid-late 60's Impalas- Dad called them "old man cars"  Still does ! Now a following.
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« Reply #36 on: January 23, 2014, 06:36:34 PM »

Master cylinders were painted. You can see the crummy paint in the pic. The paint didn't stick well, esp if the MC was rusty.

The brake line nuts were anodized different colors.

The best car I've ever seen to show both of these was a 69 Corvair with 40 miles on it. No miles and a protected brake system - the colors were clear.
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« Reply #37 on: January 23, 2014, 09:15:10 PM »

Would love to see pics if you have them.
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« Reply #38 on: January 24, 2014, 12:49:52 AM »

I'll look, but it was before digital cameras and I won't be home for several more months.
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« Reply #40 on: January 24, 2014, 06:24:35 PM »

I'll look, but it was before digital cameras and I won't be home for several more months.
Now we know Kurt is one of those snow birds, huh? It's OK Kurt, but what is the temp where your hiding out this brutal winter for many of us? Smiley
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« Reply #41 on: January 24, 2014, 09:00:31 PM »

What ever Panama's temps are this time of the year...
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What ever Panama's temps are this time of the year...

I thought it was costa rica?  OR is Kurt roaming all over the region, trying to find pretty orange camaros to lust over?? Smiley
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« Reply #43 on: January 25, 2014, 11:53:36 AM »

That engine paint sure looks a lot lower gloss than what I typically see on repainted ones.
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« Reply #44 on: January 25, 2014, 07:49:04 PM »

Back home in Costa Rica (was in Panama for a couple of weeks). Not a snowbird - living here for a year.

Engine paint should be lower gloss.....
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« Reply #45 on: January 25, 2014, 08:03:24 PM »

My daughter just came back from vacationing in Costa Rica last week.

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« Reply #46 on: January 25, 2014, 08:39:13 PM »

Kurt,

Make sure you make it to Tortuguero while you're down there.   Smiley

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« Reply #47 on: January 27, 2014, 11:10:16 PM »

Haven't made it to Tortuguero yet. Corcovado is on that list too.
The kid's favorite was up by Cerro de la Muerte, over 9000 feet and cold - they get frost at night this time of year there. A really neat place with big oaks, very different than down lower.
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« Reply #48 on: January 28, 2014, 08:07:03 AM »

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Make sure you make it to Tortuguero while you're down there.   Smiley

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« Reply #49 on: May 05, 2014, 09:40:11 PM »

Please note that tonowanda built SB had the manifolds installed before painting Flint did not.
What this means is Z28's did NOT come with painted exhaust manifolds. 
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« Reply #50 on: May 06, 2014, 10:26:43 AM »

<<Please note that tonowanda built SB had the manifolds installed before painting Flint did not.
What this means is Z28's did NOT come with painted exhaust manifolds. >>

That's correct - the process changed at Flint V-8 in 1965 to install the exhaust manifolds after paint; the photo below shows the Tonawanda paint line, and you can see the second engine is a small-block with the exhaust manifolds in place.
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« Reply #51 on: May 06, 2014, 02:52:21 PM »

This photo shows what looks to be either a way to manipulate the engine for painting or part of the mask for the end of the water pump and the by pass hose is this correct?
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« Reply #52 on: May 06, 2014, 03:46:43 PM »

Sure looks like a mask.  Good eye James..
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« Reply #53 on: May 06, 2014, 06:31:34 PM »

It stood out like a sore thumb then again I happen to have been looking at the front of a 396 in paint dress for the last 6 months...
After examining it further I see that the "45 deg rail" looks like it could be covering the Stamp pad...
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« Reply #54 on: May 07, 2014, 09:57:02 AM »

This photo shows what looks to be either a way to manipulate the engine for painting or part of the mask for the end of the water pump and the by pass hose is this correct?


Yup, that's correct.
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« Reply #55 on: May 07, 2014, 12:55:42 PM »

This photo shows what looks to be either a way to manipulate the engine for painting or part of the mask for the end of the water pump and the by pass hose is this correct?

Yup, that's correct.
JohnZ-You mean both? Manipulate engine and/or mask?
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« Reply #56 on: May 08, 2014, 11:45:00 AM »

This photo shows what looks to be either a way to manipulate the engine for painting or part of the mask for the end of the water pump and the by pass hose is this correct?

Yup, that's correct.
JohnZ-You mean both? Manipulate engine and/or mask?


Yup, both.
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« Reply #57 on: May 08, 2014, 12:40:21 PM »

John how did the guys painting the engines keep for breathing in the paint fumes? It don't look like they had respirators.
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« Reply #58 on: May 09, 2014, 12:37:19 PM »

John how did the guys painting the engines keep for breathing in the paint fumes? It don't look like they had respirators.

In those days, there was no requirement for personal protective equipment, unless it was requested; most people didn't bother with anything more than a simple mask.
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« Reply #59 on: May 09, 2014, 12:42:21 PM »

 Isn't that a water wall in front of them to act as an air filter?

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« Reply #60 on: May 10, 2014, 09:04:10 AM »

Isn't that a water wall in front of them to act as an air filter?

Mike

It captures the overspray and contains it in a water-filled sump below the grated floor; there was a LOT of paint being sprayed at 300 engines per hour (one every 12 seconds).
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« Reply #61 on: May 14, 2014, 07:51:32 AM »

on engines like the Z/28 and L78 with alum intake and chrome or alum valve covers.
I know they used some type of cover or masking device to mask off the valve covers and intake that resulted in different levels of orange paint overspray but was the distributor covered?

Did the distributor get any orange paint on a 302 Z or L78 engine and would the dist on an slum intake engine look different then an iron intake engine?

I have an unrestored 499 L78 L72 distributor and has no paint on it

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« Reply #62 on: May 14, 2014, 11:01:55 AM »

on engines like the Z/28 and L78 with alum intake and chrome or alum valve covers.
I know they used some type of cover or masking device to mask off the valve covers and intake that resulted in different levels of orange paint overspray but was the distributor covered?

Did the distributor get any orange paint on a 302 Z or L78 engine and would the dist on an slum intake engine look different then an iron intake engine?

I have an unrestored 499 L78 L72 distributor and has no paint on it



The distributor was masked with a high-tech device (a coffee can) - the hold-down clamp portion of the housing sometimes had orange overspray, sometimes it didn't.
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« Reply #63 on: May 16, 2014, 06:20:36 AM »

John , thanks for the reply

was this coffee can mask process the same for aluminum intake engines and iron intake engines?

Do you recall what was used to mask off the aluminum intake and alu/chrome valve covers of the L78s and 302 Z engines?

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« Reply #64 on: May 16, 2014, 10:10:44 AM »

John , thanks for the reply

was this coffee can mask process the same for aluminum intake engines and iron intake engines?

Do you recall what was used to mask off the aluminum intake and alu/chrome valve covers of the L78s and 302 Z engines?



Coffee cans were used to mask the distributor all engines.

Aluminum intakes and aluminum or chrome valve covers were covered with vacuum-formed plastic masks the engine plants made in their toolrooms.
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« Reply #65 on: May 16, 2014, 10:32:40 AM »

 John, serious about real coffee cans? Were the distributors timed and locked down by that time?
Was the distributor cap on too during the spraying process?
Heck, if it was a real can I'll use a Maxwell House can and replicate the process when I respray my block again.

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« Reply #66 on: May 17, 2014, 11:00:31 AM »

John, serious about real coffee cans? Were the distributors timed and locked down by that time?
Was the distributor cap on too during the spraying process?
Heck, if it was a real can I'll use a Maxwell House can and replicate the process when I respray my block again.

Mike

Yup, coffee cans. The distributors came from Delco-Remy without the caps - the caps were installed right after the distributor was installed on the engne. The distributor was locked down later, when the timing was set during hot-test. The hot-test stands included a slave quick-connect ignition/plug wire harness and slave exhaust manifolds.
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« Reply #67 on: May 17, 2014, 11:10:15 AM »

Very interesting stuff JohnZ. Your first hand knowledge and willingness to share is awesome and very much appreciated! So much to learn here. Wish I would have found this site years ago.
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« Reply #68 on: May 26, 2014, 10:27:42 AM »

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The photo's and info in this thread are pure gold!! Thanks JohnZ and everyone else for contributing  Smiley
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