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« on: October 09, 2013, 02:44:45 PM »

Hey guys, I am going to the paint shop tomorrow (Thursday, Oct 10) to lay out the stripes on my Camaro.  I have lots of decent photos, but cannot find any good close-ups of the hockey stripe on the door.  If anyone can send me a couple of good photos of this area, as well as maybe some measurements (ie: how wide at the fender/door area, how far from the back edge of the door, etc.), I would be forever in your debt. 

Also, since this is going to be a Baldwin Motion paint scheme, if anyone has any photos and/or measurements of the BM stripes, please forward to me.  Most of all, I am looking for pics of the BM stripe on the trunk lid and how it curves into the large painted stripe area. Any and all photos and measurements are welcome. 

Here is what I am going for. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CJVmY8ee44

Thanks for any and all help.  I promise to post photos next week when its all done.

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sdkar@bellsouth.net

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« Reply #1 on: October 09, 2013, 07:28:51 PM »

C'mon guys, surely someone has one close-up pic of the point of the stripe on the door.  I just need to see how it's pointed. 
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« Reply #2 on: October 09, 2013, 08:55:31 PM »

SS Hockey stripe should be documented in the aim. Can't help with the Motion stripe. Not home so I can't tell you what page. Pretty sure I have sen it in there.
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« Reply #3 on: October 09, 2013, 10:07:33 PM »

Most of all, I need just a single photo of the end of the hockey stick stripe on the door.  I know it has a unique point, and need to try and match it as close as possible.  If anyone can send a close-up of this one single item, I would be forever in your debt.

Thanks,

Steve
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« Reply #4 on: October 09, 2013, 11:14:42 PM »

Steve, just get it from stencils and stripes. The fenders are painted and the doors are decals. Their stripe kit is supposed to be dead on. Just let them know what color. Send me some pictures of your progress! If you search BING for 69 motion camaro stripe, the rally green one comes up with the stripe up the hood, over the roof and down the decklid. I couldn't find and specs, but it looks like 1/4" border stripe.
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« Reply #5 on: October 10, 2013, 05:53:57 AM »

Here was a decal under some primer on my car



And pay close attention to the marker light, engine callout and stripe, they must all be aligned with each other!  Anything that is off it very noticable!

 

My car is an Oct 68 build so that is the reason for the extra inch inder the seam.



This was a stencil and stripes full paint under clear version. Painter was really pissed about it, the join is right in the middle of the fender, difficult to get seamless!
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« Reply #6 on: October 10, 2013, 09:34:53 AM »

original paint, original stripes:


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« Reply #7 on: October 11, 2013, 07:39:27 AM »

Got what I needed.  Thanks guys.

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« Reply #8 on: October 11, 2013, 05:13:49 PM »

Got the Baldwin Motion Stripes setup great.  However, I could not get the hockey stick stripe to look proper.  I got the door and fender part looking almost perfect, but could not get the curves of the front of the stripe to look quite right.  I kept making it look like the letter "L".  I finally gave up and ordered the stencil kit from Stencils & Stripes Unlimited.  I went with them because they sell the hockey stick stripe without the engine ID cutout, as I want simple the hockey stripe with no interruptions as I have no emblems on the car.

For everyone who helped, I thank you immensely.  Getting the sizes of the BM stripes was very helpful.  Also, I hope I got the curves on the rear stripe rigth, as there are no photos anywhere on the internet that I could find that showed how the striped curved toward the rear window. 

Here are some pics from this morning to show the progress so far.  What do you guys think?  What is the opinion on blacking out the tailpan and the rockers?
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« Reply #9 on: October 11, 2013, 10:05:57 PM »

Black out tailpan may get lost behind the black Motion stripe. So far looks fantastic.
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« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2013, 12:11:26 AM »

Actually, it's not black, but charcoal gray metallic pearl.  Looks dull with this lighting, but in the sun...OMG.
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« Reply #11 on: October 16, 2013, 06:34:40 PM »

I ordered the stencil kit from Stencils & Stripes Unlimited and I have to say, I am not impressed with the quality in the least.  First, the fender stencil part of the stripe is in three (3) pieces, instead of one stencil.  This means that midway along the fender, you have to either butt the stencil stripes together, or overlap them, which means there will be a small section of the stripe where paint bleeds over giving a less than optimal result.  Why this is not in one long piece is baffling to me.  Also, the die cut portion was not cut all the way thru on the stencil part from the curved part of the hockey stick on back.  It kept tearing the stencil every time I tried to pull away the portion of the stencil that is supposed to be removed.  I kept cutting where the die cut mark was and would pull back only to get about an inch or so, and tear the stencil at what should have been a die cut line.  This happened about 5 times before I just gave up and tore off the stencil altogether and simply free handed the stripe.  This was on both sides. 

Next, there was a big issue with the door part of the stencil.  I am not sure if it was a mistake, but it looks like I got the stencil for the DX1 stiriping for the hood instead as the stencil is about 18" longer than the door stencil.  Normally, this would not be a problem, as one would think they could simply cut the stencil to proper length so that the point of the stencil at the door handle is correct and the stencil gets cut off at the door edge for proper length.  However, because the stripe tapers down and gets smaller as it goes toward the rear of the car, the width of the stripe where the door ends at the fender is not the same as the stencil on the fender itself.  Again, this was an issue on both sides.  In order to fix this, I had to pull the stencil from the fender all the way back to the door handle and free hand it back to the fender in order to get the proper width that will meet up correctly with the fender stencil.  At this point, one must wonder why a stencil is being used, as everything that is supposed to be the benefit of using a stencil is lost, due to the fact I have to keep pulling the stencil back several feet and free handing it so it meets up correctly.

Finally, the top of the stencil along the fender that is supposed to be aligned with the top edge of the fender is not straight at all.  The top alignment cut of the stencil goes from 5/8" to 1/4" and back to 5/8" again.  If I had laid the stencil as instructed and used the top body line as a guide, my stripe would have been high at the front, dipped down in the middle, and raised back up toward the rear of the fender.  This would have looked terrible.  Again, what is the benefit of a stencil kit, if I constantly have to keep pulling back and free handing the tape line.  Of course, this last issue was not really a problem in the end, as even though I corrected this when laying out the stencil, the die cut line was not cut all the way thru and I had to remove the entire stencil and free hand the entire stripe with my own roll of 3m tape.   I could not use the fender stencil, as the stencil lacked of proper die cut would not allow me to peel back the area that was to be painted along the stripe portion of the stencil that was to remain in place. 

All in all, I would never again buy this kit from them.  The stencils are not properly die cut, are not the correct length, do not have the proper guide line at the top for following the edge of the fender, the directions are horrible, and the only measurements they give is from a copy of a copy of a copy of the assembly manual, which is to say, quite poor looking.   

What is really sad, is that I spoke to Ralph who works at Stencils & Stripes Unlimited, before I purchased and was assured by him I would receive nothing but a top quality stencil kit  This is NOT what I got.  Me and the painter ended up spending more time trying to lay out this stencil and making it work, only to end up doing most of it in free hand with a roll of 3M tape.  If we had simply free handed to entire thing instead of relying on the stencil kit,  I would have saved time and money.  The paint shop was supposed to paint the stripes and clear them in a single afternoon.  But due to the time it took to lay out the stencils, diiscover the defect in the stencil kit, remove the stencils, and free hand everything, there was no time to do the painting and clearing before the end of the work day.  So now my Camaro is in paint jail an extra day and will have to be painted and cleared tomorrow morning.  I have also been reminded by the paint shop owner that they had budgetted a certain amount of paint booth time in my estimate, as they planned to have my car out of the booth tonight and another car scheduled for the booth tomorrow morning, that will now not be happening.  I will have to compensate them for this additional timeas well as the additional time the paint shop spent correcting this mess with the stencils to begin with.   

At this point, I am going to call Ralph and request an entire refund and will gladly send him back my unused stencils, along with photos of my issues encountered and my free handed striping, to show his kit was not used entirely.  I hope they will make this right.  I will report back and let you guys know the outcome. 

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« Reply #12 on: October 17, 2013, 01:49:19 AM »

Looks fantastic this way!  Wink
But you donīt think itīs too much with the added hockey stripe as well?
I would have lhad it like this for a while and then maybe add the other stripe, just my cup of tea! Tongue
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« Reply #13 on: October 17, 2013, 10:15:01 PM »

Steve, I am so sorry you were not happy with the stencil and stripes hockey stripe. My 67 bumble bee stripe was perfect. I hope they give a full refund. The car looks great.
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« Reply #14 on: October 24, 2013, 12:47:00 PM »

In the end, I had to repull almost the entire stripe using my own tape and my car came out NICE.  I am sure this issue is not common, as Stencils & Stripes have been around quite a while and I have heard good things about them.  So, I have to chalk this up to an isolated incident, where there is some ultimate entity or force out there that has it in for me.  The number of "This almost never happens with our product/service" has been way to high to be just coincidence it seems to me.  I guess that's why car building is not for the faint of heart.  It is also why we can REALLY appreciate a when a Camaro is finished and the job comes out as good or better than hoped.  Non-car guys or guys who have never done any significant restoration work can NEVER understand what really goes into getting these things done and done right.   Only those that have traveled that road can truly appreciate the hardships of the journey and the reaching of that destination.

Anyway, I spoke to Ralph who asked for photos to be emailed to him.  He seemed to understand my situation, and will hopefull take care of it.  For me, a good company is all about the service.  Anyone can sell you something, but what makes a seller truly terrific, is what they do when problems occur.  If they do nothing to help, well, we have all been there.  But, if they step up and take ownership of the problem, and do whatever it takes to make things right, well, that is the action of a business that I will remain loyal to and gladly spread the word and recommend them to all that ask.  I Will keep you all posted. 

Anyway, the Camaro comes home tomorrow, (Friday 10/25), and from there the rest is up to me.  Now the real fun begins.

 
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