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maintaining doors...
« on: October 02, 2013, 09:06:24 PM »
I'm disassembling my door hardware to clean, lubricate, etc... and have some questions I hope to get some help with...

Which inner door hardware (regulators, guides, and latch mechanism') were installed by Fisher before they painted the door?  I'm suspecting it's everything except the glass.. but I've never heard or read anything about this, and I just disassembled my first one (and there is primer/paint overspray on some of the components??)

Is there a good source for an original or good reproduction outer door weatherstrip?  (goes along the top of the door, seals over the door edge, has a chrome/ss bead and provides 'whiskers' against the glass)???  If there is, What is the best source?

Is there a source for the plastic inserts which plug into holes in the door, and provide retention for the door panel pins?  (see photos)

Is there a source for the black 'masking tape' (what it looks like) which was used in the factory to tape down the vapor barrier under the door panel?  (see photo)..

Any information/assistance is appreciated...  :)
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Re: maintaining doors...
« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2013, 11:39:58 PM »
The inner parts of the door as far as I know are not painted.  I'm actually replating my door latch mech right now & it's silver cad..   Which I plan on making them silver zinc.  I'm probably wrong but that seems to be what I have seen over the years on regs, latches etc.
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Re: maintaining doors...
« Reply #2 on: October 03, 2013, 03:16:46 AM »
Restoration Specialties.com; page 130  of their online catalog, has  door panel  plugs.   I've never ordered from them; but found their catalog searching for fasteners for our cars.   If you find someone who sells the black barrier tape; let me know, I need it too.

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Re: maintaining doors...
« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2013, 03:14:02 PM »
I'm disassembling my door hardware to clean, lubricate, etc... and have some questions I hope to get some help with...

Which inner door hardware (regulators, guides, and latch mechanism') were installed by Fisher before they painted the door?  I'm suspecting it's everything except the glass.. but I've never heard or read anything about this, and I just disassembled my first one (and there is primer/paint overspray on some of the components??)

There was no bolted-on hardware in the door when the body was painted EXCEPT the latch assembly in the end of the door; everything else was installed after Paint, in the Fisher Trim Shop.
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Re: maintaining doors...
« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2013, 03:26:29 PM »
Thanks John, That's what I was looking for... 
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« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2013, 04:03:24 PM »
Now I am confused.  The assembly I took out of my 67 was silver cad.  This finish guide also shows the screws to be the same.  Was 67 different than 69? Why would they put the latch assembly into the door and the rod that goes to the handle mech (which is a bear to attach when latch is installed) to the latch assembly not be installed.  My experience it is much easier and quicker to install the handle mech, rod & latch assembly in all together.  I would have thought the production line would have done the same.?.  Also there was no paint on the screws or assembly when I took it apart.


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« Reply #6 on: October 03, 2013, 04:10:39 PM »
 Both of my '67's too are silver with no paint. I believe they painted them in `69 which included the door catch as well.
I can't speak for `68 though.

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« Reply #7 on: October 03, 2013, 04:16:46 PM »
Both of my '67's too are silver with no paint. I believe they painted them in `69 which included the door catch as well.
I can't speak for `68 though.

Mike

I was just coming back to post that I answered my question by doing a little searching.  It also appears that it depends on where it was built also.  NOR or LOS.
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Re: maintaining doors...
« Reply #8 on: October 03, 2013, 04:24:09 PM »
Both of my '67's too are silver with no paint. I believe they painted them in `69 which included the door catch as well.
I can't speak for `68 though.

Mike

I was just coming back to post that I answered my question by doing a little searching.  It also appears that it depends on where it was built also.  NOR or LOS.


 I have one from each location (4B LOS and 5B NOR) and neither had paint. I thought I read it was either a 68 & 69 thing or just a 69 thing.
Maybe after 67 it was changed to streamline the process more?
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« Reply #9 on: October 03, 2013, 04:29:09 PM »
67 neither painted them.  Then sometime between 68-9 NOR went to painting them.
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Re: maintaining doors...
« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2013, 06:38:27 PM »
Disassembled mine a few months ago,clean.....Just as JohnZ said.... (Guru  ;) I can post some pics if you need reference for finish. Regulators and glass are packed away however.

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« Reply #11 on: October 03, 2013, 07:10:20 PM »
Jano, sure I'd love to see photos.. and I'm sure others would too..  :)
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« Reply #12 on: October 05, 2013, 04:08:29 PM »
1969 was different - the latches were installed in the Body Shop and painted; see photos below of the latches on my all-original/untouched 02D Norwood car.
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« Reply #13 on: October 05, 2013, 04:48:27 PM »
Mine are the same John; but when I disassembled the door internals, I also found spots of overspray on the glass tracks and door latch mechanism, which made me think all the door internals (minus the door glass itself and the weatherstrip) were also installed prior to painting the door.   Has your door ever been apart to see totally clean latches and glass tracks, or do you have documentation that prescribes how Fisher did the assemblies in late '69??   I had previously believed my car had original paint from the firewall back, but if Fisher didn't get overspray on my door internals, then that door has had some 'touchup' prior to my purchase in 1976...??
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60 Corvette white/red, 72 Corvette coupe, '70 Mach I 
90 ZR1 red/red #246, 90 ZR1 white/gray #2466
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Re: maintaining doors...
« Reply #14 on: October 06, 2013, 04:03:40 PM »
Mine are the same John; but when I disassembled the door internals, I also found spots of overspray on the glass tracks and door latch mechanism, which made me think all the door internals (minus the door glass itself and the weatherstrip) were also installed prior to painting the door.   Has your door ever been apart to see totally clean latches and glass tracks, or do you have documentation that prescribes how Fisher did the assemblies in late '69??   I had previously believed my car had original paint from the firewall back, but if Fisher didn't get overspray on my door internals, then that door has had some 'touchup' prior to my purchase in 1976...??

Nope, my car has never been apart, and the door trim panels have never been removed. Looking down inside the door cavities with the window down, there's no trace of exterior color on any of the glass hardware.
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