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WOW! Chance to buy a COPO from Original owner
« on: September 19, 2013, 07:44:56 PM »
Just found this interesting...http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1969-Chevy-COPO-Yenko-Camaro-/271280681721?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item3f2996b2f9  . Claims 9,100 miles. Didn't even clean the dust or cobwebs off! I don't see evidence that it is a YENKO as owner claims, but orig. owner should know, right?   http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1969-Chevy-COPO-Yenko-Camaro-/271280681721?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item3f2996b2f9
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Re: WOW! Chance to buy a COPO from Original owner
« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2013, 09:20:31 PM »
Check the Yenko registry, pretty sure they have them all numbered and accounted per vin. Good place to start.

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Re: WOW! Chance to buy a COPO from Original owner
« Reply #2 on: September 20, 2013, 02:58:39 AM »
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Re: WOW! Chance to buy a COPO from Original owner
« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2013, 03:07:49 AM »
He changed the title, removed the Yenko part.
Description: Camaro is all Original. For Sale by Original Owner.
That's it. Not available anymore - if it's that original, I bet someone thought that was a good price (125K).
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Re: WOW! Chance to buy a COPO from Original owner
« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2013, 05:42:55 AM »
KurtS,
  The VIN, was listed, is it in the Database?
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Re: WOW! Chance to buy a COPO from Original owner
« Reply #5 on: September 20, 2013, 07:57:08 PM »
 VIN# 124379N693711 is not on the list at Yenko registry.
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Re: WOW! Chance to buy a COPO from Original owner
« Reply #6 on: September 20, 2013, 08:27:35 PM »
Well it could still be a COPO, just not a Yenko right? I believe there were a couple of dealers who worked with Gibbs and Yenko to get the COPO cars. Kind of a late VIN though.
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Re: WOW! Chance to buy a COPO from Original owner
« Reply #7 on: September 21, 2013, 01:07:57 AM »
Well it could still be a COPO, just not a Yenko right? I believe there were a couple of dealers who worked with Gibbs and Yenko to get the COPO cars. Kind of a late VIN though.

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Re: WOW! Chance to buy a COPO from Original owner
« Reply #8 on: September 22, 2013, 03:10:26 AM »
No, not in the db.
Supposedly not as original as described - repainted, CE block....
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Re: WOW! Chance to buy a COPO from Original owner
« Reply #9 on: September 22, 2013, 06:49:25 PM »
Yea, I have some pics of the car in a garage that I was sent a couple months ago asking about the value of it... It sounded great in the beginning however as the ACTUAL details emerged it became less and less likely the owners would get realistic about the price.
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Re: WOW! Chance to buy a COPO from Original owner
« Reply #10 on: September 22, 2013, 08:15:05 PM »
SO did someone offer the guy big money for that recreation and thats why the auction ended early??
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Re: WOW! Chance to buy a COPO from Original owner
« Reply #11 on: September 23, 2013, 02:29:27 AM »
It's not a recreation, it is just not a survivor, even though it is in great condition for a starting point, and would make an easy resto. Being a auto non numbers matching it has a finished value of less than what they want for it...
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Re: WOW! Chance to buy a COPO from Original owner
« Reply #12 on: September 23, 2013, 03:22:11 AM »
ok, so you saying it was an original copo, but now has a ce block in it plus the fact that it is an automatic and you still think it sold for close to 100K?
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Re: WOW! Chance to buy a COPO from Original owner
« Reply #13 on: September 23, 2013, 03:41:46 AM »
Nothing posted or advertised has authenticated the claim.

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Re: WOW! Chance to buy a COPO from Original owner
« Reply #14 on: September 23, 2013, 04:02:42 AM »
well why wouldn't it be a recreation then?
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Re: WOW! Chance to buy a COPO from Original owner
« Reply #15 on: September 23, 2013, 12:04:56 PM »
ok, so you saying it was an original copo, but now has a ce block in it plus the fact that it is an automatic and you still think it sold for close to 100K?

FYI COPOs were also ordered with automatics.    That has no baring on whether or not this is a legit car but do not want you to think they only came with 4 speeds.
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Re: WOW! Chance to buy a COPO from Original owner
« Reply #16 on: September 23, 2013, 01:45:37 PM »
Says the mileage is 9100. If that's true, sounds like a car that was used for drag racing. Probably why the original motor is gone as well. Does have a 4:10 rear?
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Re: WOW! Chance to buy a COPO from Original owner
« Reply #17 on: September 23, 2013, 04:02:10 PM »
I know COPO 's came with automatics, my point was that 4 speed muscle cars usually sell for a decent amount more than automatics, so you start adding up things up 1) the CE block, 2) its an automatic 3) no paperwork , and I just wasn't as sure it would pull 100k is all.

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Why wouldn't this be considered a recreation??? (if he has nothing to prove it otherwise)
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Re: WOW! Chance to buy a COPO from Original owner
« Reply #18 on: September 23, 2013, 04:54:16 PM »
I know COPO 's came with automatics,

I gotcha..  I didnt know by your post.


Why wouldn't this be considered a recreation??? (if he has nothing to prove it otherwise)


I do not see proof one way or the other.  To me its one of those cars you put a ? mark next to until info is presented one way or the other.  Whats been presented so far isnt enough.
 
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Re: WOW! Chance to buy a COPO from Original owner
« Reply #19 on: September 23, 2013, 06:56:29 PM »
I guess my definition of recreation would be no proof showing other wise, which in the case of this car it seems to fit.
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Re: WOW! Chance to buy a COPO from Original owner
« Reply #20 on: September 24, 2013, 04:42:20 AM »
Knowledgeable people have looked at it - it's a COPO.
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Re: WOW! Chance to buy a COPO from Original owner
« Reply #21 on: September 24, 2013, 02:49:19 PM »
So they must be identifying something that is legitimate proof of its originality?
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Re: WOW! Chance to buy a COPO from Original owner
« Reply #22 on: September 27, 2013, 07:10:15 PM »
IT is a COPO if they were realistic at all about the price it would have sold and the details would be known.
I know from the person who offered it that 125k was turned down with out hesitation... they think it is worth 250k.

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Re: WOW! Chance to buy a COPO from Original owner
« Reply #23 on: September 27, 2013, 07:37:37 PM »
Would have been nice for them to present the documentation or more back round describing its pedigree so more reasonable offers could have been entertained.
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« Reply #24 on: September 28, 2013, 05:44:23 PM »
IT is a COPO if they were realistic at all about the price it would have sold and the details would be known.
I know from the person who offered it that 125k was turned down with out hesitation... they think it is worth 250k.



Non original motor, needs restoring... 125k seems like a fair offer to me. The seller needs to check out some of the auction results.

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Re: WOW! Chance to buy a COPO from Original owner
« Reply #25 on: September 28, 2013, 06:10:25 PM »
I saw 2 restored cars at mecum bring 120ish. They might have been 4 speeds
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Re: WOW! Chance to buy a COPO from Original owner
« Reply #26 on: September 28, 2013, 09:22:09 PM »
Were both of those with NOM as well?
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Looking for 3192477 (front) spiral shocks 3192851 (rear) please
Looking for an original LOF soft ray windshield
Looking for original Delco side post negative battery cable part # 6297651AV