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« on: September 01, 2006, 10:23:20 PM »

 Undecided  I've seen a lot of restored '68s in magazines that have the "Paint, Trim, Body" letters stamped on the firewall above the heater core. Did all 1st-Gens have these markings? Any trace of these was long gone by the time I got my car in 1983, so I have no idea if it had them. They look trick in the pictures, and I've got old magazines from '67-'68 that show them clearly. But I also know the factory deviated on a lot of things! I've read that they all had them...the colors were different according to the assembly plant..etc. Help me, experts!  Grin   
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« Reply #1 on: September 02, 2006, 01:51:37 PM »

Only Norwood cars had them; my original 02D car has them on the driver's side.
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« Reply #2 on: September 02, 2006, 08:34:15 PM »

So, John, exactly where are they stamped (on the firewall?) on the driver's side on a Norwood car?
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« Reply #3 on: September 02, 2006, 08:56:01 PM »

My Norwood built 1967 Camaro RS did not have any PTB stamps under the hood. My car was original paint when I bought it.

I believe the different colors denoted different build shifts.
 
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« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2006, 09:26:21 AM »

Mine are directly below the cowl tag - the "P" and "B" are almost gone, but the "T" is still visible.
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« Reply #5 on: September 03, 2006, 10:49:51 AM »

Here is the inspection mark on my 68 norwood camaro.† † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † † †
 
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« Reply #6 on: September 09, 2006, 05:45:51 PM »

Hotrod,

Here's a good example of why we should all go slow with the rattle can...
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« Reply #7 on: September 09, 2006, 10:47:49 PM »

Amen, Phil! I soft-cleaned everything looking for stuff like this when I stripped my car, but in many places a previous owner had gone nuts with undercoating and if marks were there, they went when the undercoating came off! It even had undercoating on the A-frames and radiator support. Good for metal preservation, but bad for this kinda stuff.
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« Reply #8 on: September 11, 2006, 09:37:23 AM »

i didnt think my car had the ptb stamps until i started the frame off on it last year. my ptb stamps were under the fenders on the firewall. if i knew how to post pictures i would put up a few. i spoke with jerry mac neish about it and he said alot of the 67's came this way. if you havent pulled the fenders off yet, they may be under there.
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« Reply #9 on: September 11, 2006, 10:16:41 PM »

It's already down to the shell, X77, but ty for the tip. It will hopefully help someone else.
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« Reply #10 on: September 12, 2006, 07:59:55 PM »

...here's some on my '68 (needless to say UNrestored...)

 
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« Reply #11 on: September 12, 2006, 08:32:24 PM »

x-77,

I'd like to see those 67 pics.† You cannot use the Quick Reply to post a picture.† You have to use the Reply at the beginning or the end of the whole thread.† On that Reply page, use Additional Options and Attach the picture.† If you use the standard email size picture (640x480, 128K or less), you shouldn't have a problem.
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« Reply #12 on: September 13, 2006, 12:36:30 PM »

Does this mean that a 1967 LA built car would not have any PTB stamps?
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« Reply #13 on: September 13, 2006, 01:33:33 PM »

Does this mean that a 1967 LA built car would not have any PTB stamps?
 
    ...not that this answers your question, ...but my '67 (LOS) had no stampings anywhere (it was unrestored when I got it), ...and I believe that was the case for LA...
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« Reply #14 on: September 14, 2006, 09:01:41 PM »

Here are pics from a 2nd original owner, unrestored Norwood built 69 Pace Car, assembled 03A.  The owner lives in a town outside of Indianapolis where I live.  I photo documented this car and hope to get many more pics in the future.

Note that the stamps on this car are on both sides of the firewall, and use a combination of green and red/orange stamps.  It is believed the stamp color related to the shift, thus, it could be assumed on this car that the paint "P" and body "B" inspection was done on 1st shift and stamped with green paint, and the final trim "T" inspection completed on 2nd shift stamped with red/orange paint.  Again, this is only speculation but it makes since given the build sequence followed at Norwood.

I also have photos of the original hood and trunk stripes.  Itís interesting to see how sloppy Norwood was back then when stripes were applied.
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« Reply #15 on: September 26, 2006, 12:42:46 PM »

My unrestored February '68 built Norwood car has orange PTB stamps on both sides of the cowl.  Still very clear.  I am trying to figure out a way to preserve them when the time comes to restore the engine compartment. Smiley
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« Reply #16 on: September 26, 2006, 05:07:38 PM »

Green68RS

Just curious, is your grille all black or does it have the horizontal chrome stripes on it.  Thanks.

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« Reply #17 on: September 27, 2006, 06:20:22 AM »

Hi Steve,
Yes mine has the silver, but a lot of it has worn off.
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« Reply #18 on: September 29, 2006, 04:58:02 PM »

Thanks for your response Kevin.  We are trying to get some info for this thread  http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=1087.0 and saw your car was close to the dates and I just had to ask.  Smiley
You do believe it to be original to the car then....correct?

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« Reply #19 on: September 30, 2006, 09:02:11 AM »


 ...not that this answers your question, ...but my '67 (LOS) had no stampings anywhere (it was unrestored when I got it), ...and I believe that was the case for LA...

Kevin,
I have seen some PTB stamps on LOS built 67 Camaros but they are on the firewall under the fenders. where you can't see them. Take an inspection mirror and see if you can see them.

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« Reply #20 on: October 03, 2006, 12:08:49 PM »

 ...I just happened to see some 'writing' on the firewall of the '67. If I remember correctly it was a "43", ...hey maybe Richard Petty signed it  Shocked  ...I'll have to look further to see if there are any stampings... Wink



 ...not that this answers your question, ...but my '67 (LOS) had no stampings anywhere (it was unrestored when I got it), ...and I believe that was the case for LA...

Kevin,
I have seen some PTB stamps on LOS built 67 Camaros but they are on the firewall under the fenders. where you can't see them. Take an inspection mirror and see if you can see them.

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« Reply #21 on: December 02, 2006, 03:29:18 PM »

X-77,

Thanks for emailing me those "under the fender" stamping pictures.  You really ought to post them in this thread to make it complete.
Thanks again!
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« Reply #22 on: December 02, 2006, 06:43:31 PM »

I had posted this picture about a year ago in a previous thread.† Since we are discussing firewall markings of various types, any thoughts as to what the "2" means? Huh  1969 RS Base Coupe, Norwood 01C build.
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« Reply #23 on: December 03, 2006, 06:16:36 PM »

My unrestored February '68 built Norwood car has orange PTB stamps on both sides of the cowl. Still very clear. I am trying to figure out a way to preserve them when the time comes to restore the engine compartment. Smiley

Did you ever get any pictures... love to see them.
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« Reply #24 on: December 03, 2006, 07:48:43 PM »

According to a Norwood quality control I interviewed back in the late 1980's, PTB stamps designated paint body and trim inspection before the front fenders were installed on the car.  Most of the '68 and '69 cars have the stamps in sight but many of the 67 cars (not all) have the stamps behind the front fenders.  It was about 1987 when many Norwood plant workers transferred to the Baltimore plant due to the closing of Norwood.  Talked with quite a few of the Norwood workers during that time.

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