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« on: August 21, 2013, 11:17:23 AM »

Is the bell housing on a 1969 z completely painted orange or just overspray on the top?

If anyone has pix that would be great.  Thanks
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« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2013, 12:14:35 PM »

when they painted the engine, the bell housing was attached, but since it was an aluminum part, and hidden from view of the buyer, they didn't have a specification to paint it..  so generally it only got overspray adjacent to the engine, haphazardly.. but again, since it was done by humans, there are big variations from engine to engine..
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« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2013, 02:16:56 PM »

thanks for the input
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« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2013, 08:03:59 PM »

FYI he inspection plate that goes on the bottom of the bell housing should be orange as well.
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« Reply #4 on: August 21, 2013, 08:48:42 PM »

Scott  Here is a picture of a car at the Nationals last year that was judged to be correct..Scoop
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« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2013, 08:57:52 PM »

thats surprising, my original one has nowhere near that much orange paint on it, just a little overspray on the sides and top. Mine does have a large yellow crayon mark on the right side it though, maybe an inspection mark of some sort. You may want to look at some more cars built closer to when yours rolled off the line to be sure you got it right
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« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2013, 09:11:45 PM »

the photo posted by Scoop was obviously of a restored car, where 'pretty' was the primary goal.   Originally, the factory paid NO attention to 'pretty' when they painted the engine.   The paint around the edges of the bellhousing was 'incidental' only, and not intentional, thus was not completely painted, although, again, there were variations depending on whose hand was holding the paint gun.
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« Reply #7 on: August 21, 2013, 09:47:51 PM »

The picture I posted was from a restored car which is what Scott has.  I am posting a picture of a survivor car from the Nationals from last year also. I know the factory did not paint them all the same as they were done by hand and by different operators etc.  Just trying to let Scott know how they are judging at the Nationals where he will be going back to.  Scoop
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« Reply #8 on: August 22, 2013, 08:40:27 PM »

I posted many photos just a couple of months ago about this topic.  It appears that most were painted along with the fly wheel shield.  I think one of the issues that throws many off about the paint process is that there was not good adhesion with the paint on the bell housing so one that may look like it was barely painted could have been fully painted Chevrolet orange, but all these years later, the paint may have come off in many areas.  We had several nice original cars in the "Legend Survivor" class at the Camaro Nationals this past June and I posted photos.

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« Reply #9 on: August 23, 2013, 11:40:47 AM »

I think this is one of the threads Jerry was talking about.  

http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=10959.msg85383#msg85383

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« Reply #10 on: August 23, 2013, 12:22:54 PM »

Another shot of a bellhousing from a 68 L78

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« Reply #11 on: August 23, 2013, 02:11:45 PM »

Here's my original 396 bell housing again, all Chevy orange.

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« Reply #12 on: August 24, 2013, 06:22:42 PM »

thats surprising, my original one has nowhere near that much orange paint on it, just a little overspray on the sides and top. Mine does have a large yellow crayon mark on the right side it though, maybe an inspection mark of some sort. You may want to look at some more cars built closer to when yours rolled off the line to be sure you got it right
And neither did mine! Every example I have looked at has not had the entire bell housing painted. I just asked another NCRS C2 judge at Corvette Carlisle who has inspected many survivor cars (especially 67's) and he stated the amount varies greatly but entire coverage is rare. Here is a picture of mine and it had possibly the same yellow crayon mark as aforementioned. And that yellow crayon mark has been seen on other bell housings as well. Ken at Lucas Restorations had a picture in his website of a car (believe it was a 68) they had restored and the before picture showed the almost exact looking yellow crayon mark in the same location with lots of bare aluminum showing and then the restored picture showed all orange paint. In a past thread Dave at "Camaro Specialities" wrote "Was your bellhousing really all painted orange upon teardown? Most we come across and refinish just get oversprayed. Some get more than others, but I've only seen completely painted bellhousings on restored cars. Just like the dipstick tube, most people paint them when they are usually natural."



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« Reply #13 on: August 24, 2013, 11:38:14 PM »

MOST restored cars are what we used to refer to as 'over restored', ie made prettier than when Chevrolet did it... that's especially true when the judging organization(s) rules allow it without point deductions.   When I've judged at national shows in other organizations, we deducted for 'over restored' items or areas.   examples were:   bc/cc paint where lacquer was used originally (and yes, I dont' want to get into another argument/discussion over the reasons for that here).. Smiley,  buffed or polished paint where factory only 'sprayed it and forgot it'..  or gloss paint where factory used semi-gloss or semi-flat...
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« Reply #14 on: August 25, 2013, 09:35:15 AM »

Here is a semi survivor Z28 on Ebay with what looks like a partially painted bellhousing.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1969-Chevrolet-Camaro-Z28-s-Match-302-Survivor-44K-Mies-Barn-Find-Original-VGC-/290964368468?ss=&forcev4exp=true
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