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« on: August 01, 2013, 07:53:29 PM »

Hi all,I found "the Car" Its fully restored,with 9k original miles! It came with radio delete in Sequoia green.It is my dream car! Id like to know what its worth from the authorities.This is my first time writeing .Thank You Brian
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« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2013, 08:40:25 PM »

Not trying to bust your bubble, but slow down. First of all, if it's YOUR dream it doesn't matter what others think it's worth. I would be wondering why a 9K car is restored, and if it was done properly. REAL parts or parts car?
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« Reply #2 on: August 01, 2013, 08:56:10 PM »

I saw pics of the car before resto and the only rust was min on the lower fenders,paint didnt look to bad.. BUT WASNT A SHOW CAR,IT WAS scca RACED IN 68-70 BUT UNCUT(sorry bout cap locks lol) Um I think the guy wanted a perfect car so he had it restored?? Anyway its alot of money but I think its a buy with air plenum option and seqouia paint.Just wondering what it would apprase for a bank loan..Thanks again.
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« Reply #3 on: August 01, 2013, 10:24:41 PM »

By the color, I assume you are talking about a 68. Does it come with any documentation verifying it's a Z?
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« Reply #4 on: August 02, 2013, 12:34:57 PM »

Congrats, and welcome to the site. PLEASE post some pics for us, we are all picture junkies, and I know I enjoy seeing the pictures of a new purchase.
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« Reply #5 on: August 02, 2013, 03:16:29 PM »

Just wondering what it would apprase for a bank loan.
Only 1 way to find out - have it appraised.
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« Reply #6 on: August 02, 2013, 03:45:16 PM »

now that I re-read your post, sounds like you haven't purchased the car yet. Easiest thing to do would be to get an appraiser out there, but I have met appraisers that don't know reproduction from original. Jerry is very knowledgable and if you can are going to spend a lot it may make sense to pay for his services to look over the car prior to purchase. He is not perfect, and there are other Camaro experts out there, but they should be able to give you their opinion if the car is a good buy, or the pros and cons of the Camaro in question. You can post pictures here of corse, and get our opinion but it is worth the same amount it cost you to join the CRG ($0). I would not purchase a vehicle based on the feedback from a few guys on the internet who can not see the car in person. We are more of a guide, if we see something blatantly wrong of corse we will call it out, but the car could be 2 camaros welded together and we wouldn't know it until a expert looks at the car in person. Just food for thought.
 Do all your research first, and look at many cars, would be a good start IMO. Then when you get a report from Jerry or who ever you will be able to understand and decipher it.
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« Reply #7 on: August 02, 2013, 10:57:21 PM »

By the color, I assume you are talking about a 68. Does it come with any documentation verifying it's a Z?

Brian,

Since '68's are easy to represent as a Z from the cowl tag standpoint, if this great sounding car lacks good documentation, be extremely careful with opening the wallet (goes without saying !). Like a lot of enthusiasts, I've come to realize the misrepresentations are everywhere, and people will tell you anything to sell a vehicle. There are a good many legitimate sellers out there, but an over abundance of fakery exists in this hobby. Don't let your enthusiasm overwhelm your better judgement -

Speaking of restoring 9K cars, a good friend of mine bought a '68 SS with less than 8K on it a few years ago, original everything except the rear end, documented; proceeded to do everything from touch up the original paint to rechrome perfect bumpers, replace small parts and trim, and change one of the best survivors I have ever seen to a restored car. Something about original paint cars makes you sick to see one messed with. Bad thing about it was I helped him do it.

Post pics if you can - Bullitt65 is right about pic junkies. I'll bet you'll get opinions out the kazoo -

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« Reply #8 on: August 03, 2013, 02:45:17 PM »

How expensive is it to have Jerry look at a car? Are there responsibilities you have to provide anything for him besides the car itself? From what I understand not many can afford to have a professional with this type of knowledge to appraise a Z. I want to have mine done, but I'm scared to death of what it would cost me. Something to think about anyway on top of what it would cost to get a bank loan too.
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« Reply #9 on: August 03, 2013, 05:13:34 PM »

I recommend picking up Jerry's book ,reads like a reference manual. I love it ,using it to document my car. Get the important #s out of it : block, heads, trans ,rear end, date codes. Like an algorithm : numbers don't match---stop, if they do proceed .

If your seller is charging what it's worth ,it is clean and appears legit ,see about splitting the cost on getting it certified. If mine was on the chopping block  ,I'd agree to it.


Cars not sitting in a PA Amish barn , right?
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« Reply #10 on: August 03, 2013, 05:40:42 PM »

I remember a car with the same description (except unrestored) being for sale down in Texas maybe 4-5 years ago (or more?). Was for sale on ebay at the time. I thought it was a very cool car. Appeared to be faded original paint if I remember correctly.
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« Reply #11 on: August 03, 2013, 05:50:52 PM »

Brian, welcome to the CRG!  Grin
To help you out you need to do some homework as already mentioned and supply needed info for any type of reasonable reference to value and value can still be eluding.
What exactly do you know about the car and how much is the person asking. Original engine? Have you looked at the car or just an advertisement. Give us some info and pics and many will have at it for ya.....
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« Reply #12 on: August 04, 2013, 02:02:47 AM »

I'm sure Jerry is not cheap. Finding out you got scammed is not cheap either, Jerry is one way to minimize that risk. Start with basic research like has been suggested by others above. If you find no issues, call Jerry before the deal is final. Good luck, welcome to the site.
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« Reply #13 on: August 04, 2013, 01:03:37 PM »

Brian,

If there are no bulletproof docs or unquestionable block and stampings, it is essential to have a professional appraisal. That's pretty much true for any Camaro, but more so for 68's. Jerry would be at the top of my list, but there are other qualified professionals. So depending on where the car is located, you might find someone close that would't have as much travel expense and that could save you some fee. Personally, I would at least give Jerry a call and talk to him before you make any decisions.

Post the vin here to see if it is already in the database. A picture of the trim tag would also be helpful.

Good luck and let us know how it turns out.
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« Reply #14 on: August 04, 2013, 05:47:50 PM »

Welcome to the Group, sounds like nice car.  I would only second what has already been stated.  Lots of luck with your research, hope it all turns out positive for you.
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« Reply #15 on: August 04, 2013, 08:55:09 PM »

Brian, just so you and the others know.  I have tried to keep my prices reasonable and affordable to everyone.  Rates have been at $500 a day plus expenses for the past 12 years or so.  Through use of my data analysis, I can verify if the drive train is original to the car, check for a rebodied car, verify any and all components as real or reproduction or replacement.  You'll receive a three to four page report from me once I'm done with my inspection work.  I treat every car just like I'm judging any restored or survivor Camaro at the Camaro Nationals.  I captain the team at this event and judge multiple cars in the "Legends" Restored Class and "Legends" Survivor Class every year.  When spending over $20k and up for any classic car, it's good insurance to know what you have is the real deal.  My reports also act as a certified appraisal on the vehicle too.  I am state licensed and nationally licensed through the International Antique Automobile Appraisers Association too.

A few years back, I purchased a 1958 Fender Stratocaster guitar just like the one that the legendary Buddy Holly played before he was killed.  I know music as I've been around it my whole life but before I pulled the trigger on a very expensive original museum quality '58 Stratocaster, I reached out to an expert in that field so I had piece of mind about the purchase.  Vintage instruments are as costly as vintage automobiles. 

I know of too many people in the hobby who get burning every month.  It is not getting better, it's getting worse.  Barrett Jackson brought me on board last year to help weed out any fakes that are brought to the auction.  They too are tired of all the misrepresented cars.

As on late, there is a fake L89 that I inspected in 2009 that has been making the rounds at auctions.  The car still gets listed as a real L89.  Go figure. 

Very sad, but a reality of the hobby. 

Good luck,

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« Reply #16 on: August 08, 2013, 11:15:27 AM »

Unfortunately it was restored (should not have been) and sold out of Jefferson Georgia a few years back about a year after the Texas sale.
I had it tracked that far as I have been after this car... UGHHGHHHHH!!!!
Jon Mello and I have discussed this car before...







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« Reply #17 on: August 08, 2013, 11:55:09 AM »

Yes! That's the one I was thinking it was!
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« Reply #18 on: August 08, 2013, 12:00:41 PM »

are these pics before or after the resto?
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« Reply #19 on: August 08, 2013, 12:04:08 PM »

Those are BEFORE!

I have the ad and photos after the resto as well, however it looks like every other back yard camaro reto...

Honestly it made me sick to find the car had been restored...

Jon and I discussed it when we talked about the A sedan race cars. I had wondered where it went to and when it might appear.
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« Reply #20 on: August 08, 2013, 01:15:39 PM »

Now I understand, that car looks sweet in the drive way with the early torq thrusts. Still surprises me to see so many unrestored cars without the console gauges factory, it seems like more of the track oriented cars did not have them. Maybe they ran a set of mechanical stewart warner gauges instead.
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« Reply #21 on: August 08, 2013, 01:21:12 PM »

   My 67 L35 w/TH400 survivor has the console but never any factory gauges. The owner put on a set of SW gauges which at that time used a mechanical oil and water temperature gauge. I left them on being they are so old now.

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« Reply #22 on: August 08, 2013, 01:28:41 PM »

sounds good, post a picture of the interior with those gauges! (please)
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« Reply #23 on: August 08, 2013, 01:30:42 PM »

I am surprised that sequoia green car didn't have headers, since it was said that it was raced for years.
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« Reply #24 on: August 08, 2013, 02:20:29 PM »

Now I understand, that car looks sweet in the drive way with the early torq thrusts. Still surprises me to see so many unrestored cars without the console gauges factory, it seems like more of the track oriented cars did not have them. Maybe they ran a set of mechanical stewart warner gauges instead.

Race/Track cars used *real* gauges; mostly the 'gauges' installed by the factory back then were laughed at, especially the tachs, and electrical gauges/idiot lights.   I don't think I've ever seen a real race car that used the factory gauges.
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« Reply #25 on: August 08, 2013, 03:51:47 PM »

The aftermarket gauges were less expensive, more accurate, and easier to read... TRIFECTA!
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« Reply #26 on: August 08, 2013, 05:21:09 PM »

Now I understand, that car looks sweet in the drive way with the early torq thrusts. Still surprises me to see so many unrestored cars without the console gauges factory, it seems like more of the track oriented cars did not have them. Maybe they ran a set of mechanical stewart warner gauges instead.

You'd be surprised how many restored cars didn't come with gauges but have them now....   Wink
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« Reply #27 on: August 11, 2013, 08:06:23 PM »

I had also stated this in my '67-68 Camaro fact book.  Most educated high performance gear heads knew not to order the factory gauges.  All of the hot rod magazines of the day also bashed the factory gauges.  SW and Sun what were used back in the day.

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« Reply #28 on: August 13, 2013, 01:44:40 AM »

Ok "flying bowtie" how about some pics and an update?
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« Reply #29 on: August 13, 2013, 07:03:17 AM »

My 69 RS Z came with no guages. My 69 L78 had none either not even a tach.
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« Reply #30 on: August 13, 2013, 07:32:08 AM »

Early 69 RS Z; Console; No tach, no gauges.
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« Reply #31 on: August 13, 2013, 08:52:55 AM »

Continuing with the discussion about factory gauges in race cars:
While I did not race my Camaro on a track, I did (as most Z-owners did) participate in some competition on the street.. Smiley
Attached below is how I addressed the 'sloppy tach' issue in my 69 Z28 in the 70's when I was driving it regularly.  I removed the original tach and the plastic housing around it (and saved it for installation later - which is now.. Smiley...  then I bought an extra plastic cover and cut out the 'clear face portion', because it interfered with the larger Sun Supertach.  I then installed the Sun Supertach in the same location as the factory tach came from the factory, and installed the modified plastic cover.   Photo attached.   This approach worked for me, because in the late 70's, I didn't want to make any 'non-recoverable' modification to my very original Z28.
Note:  I did 'trust' the mechanical oil pressure gauge which came in the console gauge cluster, so I did no other mods to my car (other than a Mallory Rev Pol and Judson electronic magneto, and some internal engine parts.. Forgedtrue pistons, lunati blueprinted cam, etc  and it would rev well beyond the 6500 rpm that I *tried* to observe.. most of the time...  Smiley
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« Reply #32 on: August 13, 2013, 10:53:59 AM »

I had the same tach on my L-48 mounted to the steering column with radiator hose clamps.
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« Reply #33 on: August 13, 2013, 01:37:14 PM »

My 69 RS Z came with no guages. My 69 L78 had none either not even a tach.
I assume your 69 L78 was an early car, did they eventually make the tach mandatory on the L78 cars, like they did on the Z?
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« Reply #34 on: August 13, 2013, 02:27:44 PM »

My 69 RS Z came with no guages. My 69 L78 had none either not even a tach.
I assume your 69 L78 was an early car, did they eventually make the tach mandatory on the L78 cars, like they did on the Z?

Just for sakes of accurate terminology, the tach was not *mandatory* on the Z28, but it did become *standard* equipment later in the '69 year.  The only *Mandatory* options for the Z28 were the disk brakes and the 4 speed manual transmission! .. Smiley
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« Reply #35 on: August 13, 2013, 02:40:22 PM »

thank you, I will pay closer attention to my wording in the future.
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« Reply #36 on: August 14, 2013, 01:53:42 PM »

SUN tac mounted in place of fuel gauge. Car was console delete , SW fuel ,water, oil.
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« Reply #37 on: August 14, 2013, 01:58:43 PM »

Any word from flyingbowtie, or is this another PA Amish barn find? javascript:void(0);
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