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Battery Side post or top question
« on: April 19, 2013, 03:49:53 PM »
I was doing some reading just now and touched on the battery write up. Was there actually a firm date as to when the side mount battery was installed? I clearly don't have a clue what came in my first week of June 06A Z since the cables in it aren't originals. I haven't decided whether or not I want to get the spring ring cabes. I heard they can get damaged if not properly installed or removed. The side mount on the other hand does look cleaner and easier to R & R.
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Re: Battery Side post or top question
« Reply #1 on: April 19, 2013, 04:17:32 PM »
Not sure of the exact date, but I was told my 05A Z should have side terminal battery.
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Re: Battery Side post or top question
« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2013, 04:46:13 PM »
So your car doesn't have there original cables either I'm guessing. Yeah, I'm reading somewhere in May but was it an across the board change or phased in, and all the top post were used up and the side post were installed when that happened. Seems confusing to have both going on at the same time. I don't think this is something we want to assume either way is it? 


Not sure of the exact date, but I was told my 05A Z should have side terminal battery.
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Re: Battery Side post or top question
« Reply #3 on: April 20, 2013, 01:56:09 PM »


My 06A RSZ28 has the original side post cables, it was made approx June 20, shipped June 23, ( Canadian Documentation). All June cars are 06A BTW. The original battery was a Y77 with different size terminal threads. My car had the original battery when I bought it, it has a Delco Replacement and I had to change 1 attachment bolt. I have a NOS Y77 battery for future use.



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Re: Battery Side post or top question
« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2013, 03:12:18 AM »
I have a real early June car, 653104. Something to think about. I kind of like the side post type actually. Gives a nice clean look. I bet it would be hard to confirm if the cables were top or side post around that time period. Did the factory have a large supply of batteries and cables on hand? When was the battery installed? I'm assuming the cables were installed when the starter was installed?




My 06A RSZ28 has the original side post cables, it was made approx June 20, shipped June 23, ( Canadian Documentation). All June cars are 06A BTW. The original battery was a Y77 with different size terminal threads. My car had the original battery when I bought it, it has a Delco Replacement and I had to change 1 attachment bolt. I have a NOS Y77 battery for future use.



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Re: Battery Side post or top question
« Reply #5 on: April 22, 2013, 07:16:04 AM »
The changeover time is pretty clearly defined on the page, IMO.

http://www.camaros.org/underhood.shtml#Batteries

For LOS cars, the change to side post batteries occurred during the 05A week (cowl tag date). For NOR cars, it appears the change to the Y77 side post battery occurred in late April, while the R79 side post battery was used starting in early- to mid-May. (See the Battery Usage section for application information.)
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Re: Battery Side post or top question
« Reply #6 on: April 22, 2013, 09:26:10 AM »
Hi Kurt. Yeah...I read that. With my VIN and the 5/31/69 bulletin can I assum that my car had the side terminals? I always considered my car actually was built that first week in June. It's getting close to battery replacement for my car, so I'm thinking I'll replace cables and battery at the same time. Need opinions, should I or shouldn't I?


The changeover time is pretty clearly defined on the page, IMO.

http://www.camaros.org/underhood.shtml#Batteries

For LOS cars, the change to side post batteries occurred during the 05A week (cowl tag date). For NOR cars, it appears the change to the Y77 side post battery occurred in late April, while the R79 side post battery was used starting in early- to mid-May. (See the Battery Usage section for application information.)
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Re: Battery Side post or top question
« Reply #7 on: April 22, 2013, 10:16:31 PM »
Anybody have a recommendation on who to buy the side mount battery cables from? Ricks are $38.00 and $41.00 set, NPD's are $45.00 set and HBC's are $50.00 set. I wonder if they are all made by the same company. Are batteries still bought using the R number today or is there a different number?
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Re: Battery Side post or top question
« Reply #8 on: April 22, 2013, 10:42:06 PM »
My 04C car has original side post.
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Re: Battery Side post or top question
« Reply #9 on: April 23, 2013, 03:58:34 AM »
Gary,
Your car came with side-posts.

Danny,
Yours would be the earliest I know of.
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Re: Battery Side post or top question
« Reply #10 on: April 23, 2013, 03:06:13 PM »
Great. Thanks Kurt.
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« Reply #11 on: April 23, 2013, 05:22:47 PM »
This ebay auction is what really got me into looking deeper into the side post batteries and cables. Are the part numbers different for factory installed versus over the counter or...? 69 AIM page 162 UPC 12 A11 has positive cable part number 6297683 and negative part number 6297650. The part numbers on the cables in the auction are different than the AIM. Just curious what is correct?



http://www.ebay.com/itm/1969-Z28-survivor-battery-cables-X77-after-5-69-302DZ-6297684AS-6297651AV-gm-/330741859104?hash=item4d01c04320&item=330741859104&pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&vxp=mtr#ht_425wt_1043
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Re: Battery Side post or top question
« Reply #12 on: April 23, 2013, 06:37:56 PM »
My original cables have the same part numbers as the ones in the auction...  but I'd NEVER pay $800 for old stiff original cables if I didn't have them!!  :)

I considered replacing mine a couple of years ago, so I did some searching around on the internet.. and found these parts:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/69-CAMARO-Z28-SS-POSITIVE-BATTERY-CABLE-302-327-350-SIDE-POST-OE-FACTORY-CORRECT-/190721486216
which were the closest in appearance to the originals.   The part numbers on the pictured cables are different, and I didn't check if they had the correct PN's, nor did I verify the cable lengths..
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Re: Battery Side post or top question
« Reply #13 on: April 23, 2013, 06:46:37 PM »
Lectric Limited is supposed to be a dead ringer for a reproduction cable. Might check with them.             http://www.lectriclimited.com/
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Re: Battery Side post or top question
« Reply #14 on: April 23, 2013, 07:34:09 PM »
For curiousity sake, I called Lectric Limited.   They do not have the battery cables we are discussing for the late Z28's (6297684AS or 6297651AV).  They also raised question on late Camaros having side post terminals, but that's a different question altogether.  The fella on the phone hypothesized that perhaps only cars with HD batterys got the side terminal cables, since the AIM (that he has) didn't have the side post cables listed?
I've also made inquiry with Bowtie Muscle Car Parts, requesting length and PN on their '69 Camaro Z28 sidepost battery cables, but haven't yet heard back on those questions.   Meantime, I extracted my cables, stretched them out, measured them and photographed the ends, part numbers, etc.

Positive Cable:    printed PN  6297684AS, length ~42" (eye to eye) with a ~19-20" small lead wire.
Negative Cable:   printed PN 6297651AV, length  ~32" (eye to eye) with a ~8.5" attached smaller wire.
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