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« on: March 27, 2013, 02:58:43 PM »

Announced today at New York Auto show,  Z28 Camaro is back for 2014;
http://www.autoblog.com/2013/03/27/2014-chevy-camaro-z28-new-york/?a_dgi=aolshare_facebook
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« Reply #1 on: March 27, 2013, 03:36:02 PM »

Oooooo... I don't like what they did to the taillights.
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« Reply #2 on: March 27, 2013, 04:37:36 PM »

Sorry, it's just another Gen.1 ripoff. The magic of the Z/28 was lost with the lt1. I was hoping GM would of built a 5 litre beast to spank the Boss 302. Maybe they can rebadge the car a Panther or something.  I guess you really can't go back home again.

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« Reply #3 on: March 27, 2013, 05:46:00 PM »

I like it.  I like the fact that I do not have to take AC if I don't want it.  The hood is not exactly what I would like to see - but it is today's performance technology designed to reduce lift at high speed. 

Faster track laps than the current ZL-1 too.   What is not to like....

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« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2013, 06:09:03 PM »

I don't know, way too fat, and I don't mean PHAT. Get rid of those crappy taped on emblems and put on something with substance just like the original design for starters.
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« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2013, 07:42:41 PM »

Dang, no 302. Everything else about the car is great, especially those brakes. And cool they had some pics of a 67z mixed in with the new one.

I wonder if they couldn't make a 5.0L that competes with the new Boss 302. I'm sure we'll learn why they opted with a 427 and not a 302 in a book someday.
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« Reply #6 on: March 27, 2013, 09:20:51 PM »

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« Reply #7 on: March 27, 2013, 09:32:15 PM »

only thing that caught my eye was the model ,hoods hideous. And why not bring back the 302 ? I just am not a fan of the lines. Dare I say Ford did do it right with the Mustang. Not one bad angle. The way GM used to make them.
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« Reply #8 on: March 27, 2013, 11:55:53 PM »

I have to agree with jano.. the Mustang is the best of the 'retro pony cars'.   The Challenger and Camaro both *feel* too big; look too big, and the visibility is awful.  PS.  I do like the performance of the engines though..
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« Reply #9 on: March 28, 2013, 05:55:48 AM »

Front center grill section is getting very Mustangish, or perhaps it looks like the old Cylon helmet in the original Battlestar Galactica series from the 80's, all it needs is the sweeping front LEDs off the old KITT firebird and it would be a dead ringer.

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« Reply #10 on: March 28, 2013, 08:23:05 AM »

I'm not a huge new generation camaro lover and maybe some of that sentiment stems from owning a first gen but GM apparently has done many things correct when one observes Camaro sales, i.e. bottom line, the results. I'm fortunate to have a grandson (one of 6) who drives and he and his friends come over to our place often. They all seem to really dig the new camaro's and the handliing thing is just as important as the get up and go. We can call it fat, too wide, whatever but that rascal is flying around a road course and it's going to catch an eye from many.  Personally I like the wider/lower look and when hitting speeds of 190 you better have some features designed into the car for aerodynamics.  We have a C6 Z06 and that LS7 engine rocks with performance as the torque band is unreal as it pulls from start to finish with no added turbo's etc.  I think they hit the nail correct using that motor and it will sell well along with having no engine engineering and development cost. Things change over time and I love those 427 and larger small blocks. The LS motors are even becoming the hot ticket for rodders, resto-mods, and touring cars. Another advantage with the LS7 is going down the highway in 6th gear doing 60mph at 1200 rpm and no downshift for speeding up (that torque) while easily obtaining 25 to 26 miles per gallon.
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« Reply #11 on: March 28, 2013, 09:49:33 AM »

I like it. Wonder if Z28 stripes and an RS option is in the works.
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« Reply #12 on: March 28, 2013, 01:10:25 PM »

The way the hood has the insert in it, or whatever you want to call it, I don't see how they could do stripes on the car. To me, that's kind of sad.
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« Reply #13 on: March 28, 2013, 03:22:44 PM »

Sounds to me like we're not their target market...  Sad  Sad  Sad
Like JohnZ keeps reminding us, Chevy makes cars to sell.  I wish them great success in that, especially with the Camaro.  Grin  Grin  Grin
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« Reply #14 on: March 28, 2013, 09:35:53 PM »

I for one am very excited about the new Z/28. This car is very unique. It will be built especially for the track as was the original Z. It has its own characteristics as did the original Z. And it will be very fast. Can't wait to see one in person.
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« Reply #15 on: March 29, 2013, 02:42:13 AM »

While i would have liked to see some radical 302 in there, I think in a lot of ways they did the Z/28 name justice. Striping down the car to the bare essentials (dropping 300 lbs of weight) was a good start. I am not in love with the looks of the ca, but some of which is devoted to the track, in a lot of ways even more so than the original. I would tip my hat to GM for producing the Z/28 the way it was intended, as a road corse/auto cross beast. They could have just thrown a bunch of horsepower at it (like the ZL-1) and named it Z/28. It looks like they actually spent a lot of time and research getting it to this point. I hope the next re-body of the car looks more retro though..... the mustang and the camaro are looking to similar on the front end of the car.
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« Reply #16 on: March 29, 2013, 10:20:36 AM »

It has a high revving 427 that makes big power so how bad could it be??? Air conditioner is an option. I don't think you can get much of a radio.  Not exactly "light" but they did take a few pounds out of it.  While It has the flavor of the original there is no big name sanctioned race to compete against the bad guys.  I like it but there seems to be a little bit of the excitement missing.  Good job overall but I will probably just keep my blown 2010 SS. (and my '69)

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« Reply #17 on: March 29, 2013, 12:16:21 PM »

I've driven a 2007 Corvette Z06 with the LS7 (427 ci engine).  That engine is amazing..  not only in the power level, but also how quickly it revs for a big cube engine (not at all similar to the 'old school' 427 engine!  My main issue with the 'new camaro' is the body .. size, weight and visibility from the driver seat.  I think they tried to do too much in that desgin, and tried to capture not only the 1st design shape, but also the 'cartoon CARS' or whatever.. brutish look, and in doing that it loses a lot of the 'retro appeal' (at least for me).

That said, I like a lot about what GM has seemingly done for the Z28 model, and the PM's enthusiasm for the car, but I'm very curious what the price point is gonna be.. Smiley.   In the past, when proposing that the Corvette offer a 'stripped down' model (wtih options), we were told that it was more expensive to offer the options (which complicate the assembly process), than to just put all the options on all the cars (ie. AC, PW, PS, etc)..
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« Reply #18 on: March 29, 2013, 01:13:59 PM »

I went back to take a closer look at the new Z28 and it's really not THAT bad. At first glance I thought the Z28 emblems were tape but they are dimensional, maybe need to be a touch larger. Move the emblems from behind the wheel to the front of the fender and put CAMARO behind the wheel like the original was and move the Z28 to the center between the taillights. The bowtie looks good but not on a Z28. The taillights look retro but what messes them up is the wrap around ends. Need different rims too, not too fond of the black or the style. Retro ralleys maybe? Add the stripes and a cowl hood with that air ducting at the rear of the hood and you might have something there. Oh yeah, need the simulated air vents in front of the rear wheels. Interior, what can I say, ALL black in any material would suit me fine. Spoilers? I don't have a vision on what would be better than what is there now. Not sure what to think about the grill, but I have to agree that it is too narrow. It looks like you can blind it with dental floss. As for the drivetrain. I would keep that as is. You can't mess with Chevy perfection. Even if it doesn't beat the new Mustangs, who cares. I would definately have fun driving it.
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« Reply #19 on: March 30, 2013, 08:11:00 AM »

I was really hoping to see a 302. However, i guess thats the same as wishing for a four speed trans.
Maybe GM was having trouble getting the right power numbers out of that small of an engine in the LS design. I know the 4.8 was never very strong or efficient in the trucks. Everything else on the car is fine with me, even the 2nd gen tail lights. Visibility is bad though. I would expect to see it priced at $45,000-$55,000.

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« Reply #20 on: March 30, 2013, 10:14:56 AM »

A few years too late.That platform should have been available since day 1 and long before the ZL1.
I just see a puffed up camaro with Z/28 emblems added.Nice corvette windowed type hood .
Wow a Z with no stripes.Adding a Z/28 emblem to a small block 67 camaro doesn't make it a Z.
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« Reply #21 on: March 31, 2013, 07:24:24 AM »

Scott Settlemire has some personal comments on the 14 Camaro that provides fascinating insight as to how GM internally makes decisions, on one hand to try  to pay tribute to the first generation Z/28 through the new for '14  model by drawing an over emphasis in the (/) as the defining point--that in his case that the new "Z/28" is indeed pure from a heritage point of view.

I would have to admit that I disagree with quite a bit of his opinion - and I think that the new 427 drivetrain is more of a departure from the original intent of the first generation Z/28 in much the same way the new for 1970 model was....anyway here are the links. to his comments.    I still like the car but his comments in the first two posts below leave me scratching my head.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=286046
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« Reply #22 on: March 31, 2013, 09:54:15 AM »

If they would have put a 302 in it people would have just bitched that they should have put in a LS7 or LS9. Some people will never be happy. I'm happy they built a haul ass car that I'm sure will beat any Mustang on the road course. This is a race car. That low front fascia is there for racing, not boulevard cruising. And yes they get busted up on race tracks. Really people, think about it. Chevrolet just built you a 427 Camaro with a bulletproof engine that can easily be pumped up to even more hp.
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« Reply #23 on: March 31, 2013, 12:18:53 PM »

My point.Ford buillt the Mustang for Joe Public.GM is not it's either too much for the blue collar guy or not for street use.Missed the boat on the Z curb rash
or flatbed your new toy home and garage park it.The camaro will always be second fiddle to the vette.The Mustang will never be second to anything.
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« Reply #24 on: March 31, 2013, 01:46:34 PM »

And every Z28 engine cubic inch designation since 1970 was a corporate level engine that also was used in the Corvette too.  This included even the 305.   305 was the base Z28 engine in the early 1980's and also used previously in the Corvette as well.

The LS-7 in 14.. I love it and the car!   The Z28 changed with the times through the years and even when they were poor performers in the early 80's - odds were that everything else was the same or worse.    Gee with  '14 we have a factory Z06/LS-7 engine now coming to a Camaro-- and BOY I want one.   

 
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« Reply #25 on: March 31, 2013, 03:25:56 PM »

My point.Ford buillt the Mustang for Joe Public.GM is not it's either too much for the blue collar guy or not for street use.Missed the boat on the Z curb rash
or flatbed your new toy home and garage park it.The camaro will always be second fiddle to the vette.The Mustang will never be second to anything.

Camaro built the SS, ZL1 etc for the drive it on the street crowd.
 The Mustang will never be second fiddle because Ford has nothing like the Vette. Ford had the GT for 2 years and the Mustang was second fiddle."Wow a Z with no stripes" If you really believe it is just a puffed up Camaro you haven't been paying attention.
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« Reply #26 on: March 31, 2013, 03:44:43 PM »

Festival makes a good point, they used the 'corporate' engine in the Z for years. I guess I was hoping to see a 302 to rival the lastest Boss 302.

After a few days of thinking about the new Z the more I'm liking it. And a Blue Ray Metallic might sit well next to my other car Smiley
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« Reply #27 on: March 31, 2013, 03:52:15 PM »

How long has the LS7 been swapped into the new gen camaro.Suspension upgrades,exhaust,elctronics,wheels/tires nothing new
just now GM has decided to put a moniker on it and do it themselves and after 4-5 years call it a Z/28.We can argue semantics but my original beef is
4-5 years too late.Should have been offered from the get-go.
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« Reply #28 on: March 31, 2013, 05:28:00 PM »

I owned a 68 Z/28 back in 71-74.  Loved that car, (the one that got away).  I hadn't found that kind of fun until I purchased my C6 Z06.  The two engines have nothing in common but fun.  The torque in the LS7 is addicting.  As a Corvette C6 Z owner also, I'm loving the fact that the LS7 lives.
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« Reply #29 on: March 31, 2013, 05:34:20 PM »

Also......Don't you think it's nice that GM put the "Slash"  back between the Z and the 28?   Z/28 just looks right.
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« Reply #30 on: March 31, 2013, 08:06:06 PM »

How long has the LS7 been swapped into the new gen camaro.Suspension upgrades,exhaust,elctronics,wheels/tires nothing new
just now GM has decided to put a moniker on it and do it themselves and after 4-5 years call it a Z/28.We can argue semantics but my original beef is
4-5 years too late.Should have been offered from the get-go.

Once again you have not been paying attention to what they have put out. A example would be the Carbon Ceramic brakes. Show me one aftermarket tuner that installs them on new Camaro's with antilock brakes. Just one.
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« Reply #31 on: March 31, 2013, 08:36:48 PM »

The Mustang will never be second to anything.

Interesting as I always thought they were 2nd to Shelby Mustangs! And by comparable product, the Camaro. Smiley
Chevrolet Camaro outsells Ford Mustang in 2012 Hey, its two years in a row!
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« Reply #32 on: March 31, 2013, 10:40:46 PM »

The Mustang will never be second to anything.

Interesting as I always thought they were 2nd to Shelby Mustangs! And by comparable product, the Camaro. Smiley
Chevrolet Camaro outsells Ford Mustang in 2012 Hey, its two years in a row!
http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2013/01/03/chevrolet-camaro-outsells-ford-mustang-in-2012/

I agree the Camaro is a much better looking car when you compare them side to side. If the Challenger is so great why did they sell so few. Looks like chevy may have made the right choice with the 5th Gen design after all.
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« Reply #33 on: April 01, 2013, 05:45:36 PM »

So I've read all the posts so far and am gonna throw my 2 cents in.  I have a 69 SS350 and ordered a 2010 SS when you couldn't hardly find them in a dealership.  Love to drive the 69, but was SHOCKED by the power and handling of the new one!  Still puts a grin on my face every day after 3 1/2 years of ownership.  That's with the LS3 and stock SS which now everyone seems to call a pig but is more car and performance than 99%
of drivers could handle full out.  (426 hp LS3 is more than most 427's put out back in the day, and it pulls from way down low) Now we have better handling, less weight, and LS7!  i'm sayin don't knock it till you've tried it...visibility is fine after 2 days...now I wonder why other cars have such tall side windows.  Is it perfect...no. But it IS one hell of a car at a reasonable price.  Can't wait to see Gen 6!
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« Reply #34 on: April 01, 2013, 10:37:00 PM »

Are you saying that you got used to the 'sitting in a hole', and the poor visibility  from the drivers seat after driving it two days?
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« Reply #35 on: April 02, 2013, 10:53:45 AM »

I love it, but I'm going to need more than one speaker! Maybe I'll pop in some Jensen Triaxials and an under dash Pioneer Supertuner! Really need a white ball Hurst shifter too. I hope it's around $40k.
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« Reply #37 on: April 02, 2013, 10:40:34 PM »

Are you saying that you got used to the 'sitting in a hole', and the poor visibility  from the drivers seat after driving it two days?
If you want to put it that way, yeah pretty much.  As much as I love my '69, and I think that's one of the best body styles ever, it looks kinda old and drives kinda old next to the new one.  I get it, it is.  But that's the point I'm trying to make.  C5 is an awesome modern Camaro in any configuration and comes in enough choices to please a lot of people.  It's not perfect, nor would it be to everyone no matter what they made it like.  I'm happy we've got our nameplate back on a much better machine than we've had in at least 40 years.
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« Reply #38 on: April 10, 2013, 10:24:49 PM »

The last generation Camaro was fine...when they "tweaked" this time, they forgot about the "first gen" Camaros. 
In my opinion, "old school" style and designs sell.  When its all said and done, they'll go back to square one. Stay tuned Camaro lovers!
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« Reply #39 on: April 11, 2013, 12:17:59 AM »

Something you know? that we don't?
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« Reply #40 on: April 11, 2013, 07:42:25 PM »

I like everything about it except that I read somewhere, can't remember where though, that the new Z/28 was going to cost more than the ZL1. 
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« Reply #41 on: April 12, 2013, 11:36:57 AM »

The last generation Camaro was fine...when they "tweaked" this time, they forgot about the "first gen" Camaros. 
In my opinion, "old school" style and designs sell.  When its all said and done, they'll go back to square one. Stay tuned Camaro lovers!

Remembering that sales are the primary motive and Camaro leads in their market segment, why would Chevy change?
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« Reply #42 on: April 12, 2013, 05:17:55 PM »

Two friends (married couple) who love cars and Corvettes were up to the New York Car Show and they were both extremely impressed with the new to come Z/28. She stated she liked it better than the new C7 Corvette and he said just looking at the car and those brakes its bad to the bone. They were also impressed with the engineering that went into the car that will assist it being a beast on the track like some some carbon fiber items.
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« Reply #43 on: April 18, 2013, 08:06:07 PM »

this car could make me forgo a C-7 corvette. have to make some calls and see what the deal is on these new Z/28
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« Reply #44 on: April 18, 2013, 08:20:06 PM »

From what I have heard be prepared to pay 70k +
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« Reply #45 on: April 20, 2013, 06:37:12 PM »

From what I have heard be prepared to pay 70k +
with pickups costing $50/60K sounds like  a bargain
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« Reply #46 on: April 21, 2013, 10:16:58 AM »

No question the new Z will be awesome. But, at $70k, twice the price of the 2SS, the working class guy has no chance. Can you imagine where we'd be right now if in 69 the ZL1 cost about 15% less than the Z28?
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« Reply #47 on: April 21, 2013, 10:44:00 AM »

just a thought ,might push up the price of the OE's out there.
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