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« on: March 13, 2013, 04:41:11 PM »

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Here is a 1111170 dist for a 67... but it is not as claimed.  I truly feel bad for those who end up with these parts who are innocent of the fraud...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&vxp=mtr&item=271171687314


I hate to bring the light but it seems these crooks are running ramped again on eBay... and eBay is guilty of promoting it.

for what it is worth and thats not much...

if you can't see it I will not educate the bad guys so try to learn as I have to spot these.  It truly sucks to be the buyer of a big dollar item and not even have the real deal.

been there.. but if i can stop it by sharing I will.


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« Reply #1 on: March 13, 2013, 04:48:00 PM »

here is another one...  Angry

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160988988494&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123

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« Reply #2 on: March 13, 2013, 07:52:46 PM »

yeah, and the old lady  down the street had one of those factory 67 L-78 Novas !!
   T. Ferry
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« Reply #3 on: March 14, 2013, 11:18:21 AM »


I hate to bring the light but it seems these crooks are running ramped again on eBay... and eBay is guilty of promoting it.

It's hard to say that eBay is "guilty of promoting it" - they process over 4,000 new auctions every hour; how many experts do you suppose they'd need to hire to screen/validate that many auctions every hour? Realistically, all eBay can do is to respond to auctions that are reported to them. I don't like it either, but that's just the way it is.
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« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2013, 11:21:00 AM »

You might want to read the "Question and Answer" section on that first auction.

And if someone believes an item isn't what it's being represented as, the only recourse would be to "Report Item". Not sure it'll do any good, but it may make us feel better!

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« Reply #5 on: March 14, 2013, 02:25:47 PM »

Anyone that believes they know better, can ask a pointed question, without accusation, which informs the uninformed, and causes the seller to answer the question if he wants bidders...
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« Reply #6 on: March 14, 2013, 04:51:20 PM »

That Wilma person is selling re-stamped dist. and says so.  At least I can live with being up front.  I don't like it, but its better than the ones that pass it off as real and ask the big money.
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« Reply #7 on: March 14, 2013, 05:07:45 PM »

That Wilma person is selling re-stamped dist. and says so.  At least I can live with being up front.  I don't like it, but its better than the ones that pass it off as real and ask the big money.

I think your mistaken. the ad states "Guaranteed Not Re-stamped"
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« Reply #8 on: March 14, 2013, 07:20:06 PM »

I don't think that is what he means. If WILMA is selling a restamp he will state that, but if it is real he will state that as well.

That Wilma person is selling re-stamped dist. and says so.  At least I can live with being up front.  I don't like it, but its better than the ones that pass it off as real and ask the big money.

I think your mistaken. the ad states "Guaranteed Not Re-stamped"
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« Reply #9 on: March 14, 2013, 11:57:08 PM »

I don't think that is what he means. If WILMA is selling a restamp he will state that, but if it is real he will state that as well.

Gary - I tend to agree with you. I have noticed wilma99's auctions for years - when he restamps one, he usually states it to be a restamp. There are two of these 170's on eBay right now, and they appear the same in font and markings. You can never be sure (I'm no expert, either; I can usually spot the obvious restamps), but Jerry can probably give the skinny on this if he sees it -

Just my opinion -
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« Reply #10 on: March 15, 2013, 06:38:18 AM »

I don't think that is what he means. If WILMA is selling a restamp he will state that, but if it is real he will state that as well.

That Wilma person is selling re-stamped dist. and says so.  At least I can live with being up front.  I don't like it, but its better than the ones that pass it off as real and ask the big money.

 

I think your mistaken. the ad states "Guaranteed Not Re-stamped"

Gary and Steve, I see what you mean. I took that statement the wrong way. I've been in touch with both these gentleman and they are very adamant that these are real. I don't know enough about them one way or another to say so. But like Steve said it would be nice if Jerry would give his opinion.
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« Reply #11 on: March 20, 2013, 07:52:13 PM »

I'm not an expert by any means, but the stamping looks OK to me.  A1 Cardone does thousands of these rebuilds like McDonalds makes hamburgers.  Too bad they had to ruin the surface with a sand / glass bead.  It shouldn't look like that.  Putting it back on a lathe to get the "machine - turned look" would just screw it up even worse.  Either way, if I had a L78 Camaro....I'd pass on this one.
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« Reply #12 on: March 20, 2013, 08:23:16 PM »

You might want to read the "Question and Answer" section on that first auction.

Question & Answer from listing posted on 3-14-13...

Q:  I was real interested in this distributor until I read this. http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=10602.0 care to comment. Mar-14-13
A:   I read this and I don't know who GI Joe is but he apparently doesn't know real from fake. My customers will know if it is real or fake and that is why I have 3254 feedbacks with a rating of 100% because I tell it like it is. I know this is real because I took it out of the box that came directly from A1 Cardone to a local parts store from which I purchased it. This distributor has never been tampered with in any way. Ask yourself this question. Why would I waste my time trying to sell this as an original if I even thought it was fake because I am offering a100% satisfaction money back guarantee and also to pay return shipping fees if the buyer decides to return it. As for GI Joe, since you have now been "enlightened" that this is a genuine original distributor and we are not "bad guys", your statements are FALSE, DEFAMATORY, AND INACCURATE and you need to go back to this website to which you registered and agreed to the following terms. It says: You agree, through your use of this forum, that you will not post any material which is false, defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, adult material, or otherwise in violation of any International or United States Federal law. You also agree not to post any copyrighted material unless you own the copyright or you have written consent from the owner of the copyrighted material. Spam, flooding, advertisements, chain letters, pyramid schemes, and solicitations are also forbidden on this forum.

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« Reply #13 on: March 20, 2013, 08:34:49 PM »

Paul, it didn't sell.

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« Reply #14 on: March 20, 2013, 08:49:11 PM »

Paul, it didn't sell.

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Thanks Ed!  I modified my post.   Smiley

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« Reply #15 on: March 21, 2013, 02:02:47 PM »

I read the seller's answer to the question, and although I have no idea who's right about the distributor, his response did not leave me with a positive impression. I know I wouldn't like it if I thought I was representing something as authentic, and someone questioned/disagreed with me. But if you are going get involved with the buying and selling of these cars/parts, then you have to expect to be questioned or challenged at times. It's all part of the process, and probably has helped more people avoid getting burned than the other way around.  IMHO
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« Reply #16 on: March 21, 2013, 02:11:37 PM »

Hi everyone. I'm Away at the moment.   I will post some photos of some factory OEM 67
Distributors when i return... and you be the judge.   There was a real o,ne on ebay at the time these were
Being listed for about half the cost.


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« Reply #17 on: March 31, 2013, 11:45:37 PM »

Does any know if 7A 18 is a good date for a 1111170 dist.?
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« Reply #18 on: April 01, 2013, 07:02:58 AM »

Well I am back and just now able to post these authentic photos of factory originals for you all to observe. I will be posting some photos of OEM distributors below. 

I will not disclose what I know on how to determine the fakes from the originals but if you study these you will at least have an idea of what you are looking at.
I hope it helps the good guys out without educating those that would fake them and pass them off as OEM. 

I truly feel bad for the guy who gets one of the fakes and is caught up in the middle thinking it is an OEM. 
If I have crossed anyone in this boat please accept my apologies as you are an innocent by stander and a victim of this as well.
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BTW you should know these terms and acronyms... which are sometimes incorrectly used... ( all in the name of $$$) sheezzz

OEM = Original Equipment Manufacture  - the part made by the factory and or factory supplier.

NOS = New Old Stock  (of OEM)  - means the left over extras the factory and factory suppliers made... not new reproduction stuff.

Restored = means an OEM part brought back to new condition without changing its original integrity.

Re-manufactured = can only mean that it was an original part made into something else and disclosed as such.

Reproduction = means a newly made part similar to the OEM and often not exact do to copy right laws or lost manufacturing techniques, etc..

Fake = is a part that is not an OEM part being passed as such. Usually due to mucho $$$$$ and greed.  These are the folks who hurt the hobby.



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« Reply #19 on: April 01, 2013, 07:04:30 AM »

here is another OEM Dist
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« Reply #20 on: April 01, 2013, 07:05:13 AM »

and another OEM Distr
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« Reply #21 on: April 01, 2013, 07:05:56 AM »

and another OEM Distr
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« Reply #22 on: April 01, 2013, 07:16:25 AM »

here is the OEM Distr again of a late production 69 Camaro which is actually the 1970 Camaro... notice the date.
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« Reply #23 on: April 01, 2013, 07:52:58 AM »

The Sellers response to the question on E-Bay was a little funny as he was trying to get his point across and not really hiding anything, by the nature of his response I get the sense he truly believes it's the real deal and offering a money back guarantee to prove his point. I am not an expert with these stamping so don't know either way. I think wilma99 is a Yenko.net member, If it's the same person he usually has some pretty cool cars for sale and is a very active member.
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« Reply #24 on: April 01, 2013, 08:52:27 AM »

you 're probably right, and i should have thought more before I posted in that manner... I think that he was either taken and believes it to be real or the distributor he has was poorly restored making it appear to be a fake...  unfortunately some folks have with good intentions destroyed real McCoy parts by trying to make them appear new again...

I suspect he was going on someone else s reassurance and creditability of it being a real McCoy.. but from the photos he posted it strongly appears to not be an OEM.

There are a  number of folks doing business on eBay with fraudulent parts who well know what they are doing.  We see it from Cowl tags, to Vin numbers and to all the rare and Hi Perf. parts as well as to the car themselves being pushed as real just to steal some guys hard earned $$$$$$$$... look at all the fake paperwork be pushed out now... i would be more Leary of any guy with all the paperwork than one without any these days... unfortunately I would guess there are some forgeries out there that are so perfect they fool almost everyone. 

BTW I have personally contacted eBay many times about items that was without a doubt fraudulently advertised and sometimes eBay did something about it and sometimes not. IMHO When it is brought to their (eBays) attention they then have a moral obligation to address the matter regardless of any disclaimers they write and post. 

Also when anything out the norm appears it too brings into suspicion of fraud.  After 40 years of handling, racing and working with Chevrolet parts one learns. 

I had some more photos to post but they are to big and now I cannot get the photo program to reduce them smaller so that will wait for another day. 



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« Reply #25 on: April 10, 2013, 07:40:14 PM »

I have looked at many 1111480 distributors.   Haven't looked at that many 1111170 distributors.  However, I am inclined to say that the one Wilma99 has for sale is a real stamp.  Just been glass beaded over which changes the appearance slightly.

He does sell lots of restamps, but represents them as restamps.
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« Reply #26 on: April 12, 2013, 06:23:21 AM »

here is a 169 dist that appears to have been sand or glass blasted..  the housings finish is ruined. This distributor could be real or faked.. best to pass on these...

BTW you can set up any dist to run just like the Hi Perf ones... you may need to change the weights, springs and re-curve it etc...
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« Reply #27 on: April 12, 2013, 07:15:52 AM »

Also for those of you who are looking for a distributor  ... feel free to email me... I will look at it and give you my evaluation about it.   Grin

Right now there are quite a few distributors on eBay for $,$$$ ...  and IMHO not OEM so BEWARE.   Sad
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