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Rick68
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« on: February 15, 2013, 10:18:12 PM »

Has anyone gotten information from the NCIB before?Do you have to be in law inforcement/investigator to get info from them?
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« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2013, 11:08:19 PM »

Are you referring to the NICB?   National Insurance Crime Bureau?
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« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2013, 11:13:58 PM »

Sorry.Yes I am referring to the NICB.
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« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2013, 11:17:59 PM »


How to Become a Member-Only User









from the NICB website:

"Access to the members' section is only available to current NICB members. Law enforcement is not eligible for members' access.
 
If you are already a member and would like to obtain access or have misplaced your login information, contact NICB Technical Support at 800-447-6282, ext. 7003 or techsupport@nicb.org. If you know your user ID but not your password, click here.
 
NICB membership is open to insurance companies licensed in any of the 50 states, the District of Columbia, Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands, or the insular possessions of the United States as well as auto rental companies, auto finance companies, auto auctions and certain self-insured entities may be eligible for membership in the NICB. For more information, contact Kym Forester at kforester@nicb.org or 714-277-3611."


I didn't check, but from the above, I'd guess there's a significant fee for membership.
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69 Corvette convertible, silver/black 350 hp,
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90 ZR1 red/red #246, 90 ZR1 white/gray #2466
72 El Camino, '55 Nomad, '57 Nomad, '57 B/A Sedan
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« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2013, 11:38:47 AM »

The NCRS has access, wonder if the CRG or American Camaro Club could gain access.
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« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2013, 02:27:36 PM »

Anybody can run the NICB report that indicates prior damage or loss - are you saying that NCRS can run the NICB report that shows the delivering dealer?
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« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2013, 02:41:32 PM »

The majority of the available former NICB records were inherited by the merger of the former National Automobile Theft Bureau (NATB) which merged with another not for profit the Insurance Crime Prevention Institute (ICPI) in 1992. Both had vehicle fraud databases one better then the other.

NICB has already converted and sanitized the merger databases as per Federal Privacy act requirements and that data is available to anyone at the national title clearing house. http://www.vehiclehistory.gov/ And NICB runs the VinCheck web-site https://www.nicb.org/theft_and_fraud_awareness/vincheck

The major problem is that many of the records were only paper based and time got to them before they could be converted to microfiche and have been lost to time. Or were trapped in ancient computer systems long viable, or were reduced to statistics on IBM punch cards as most of the early 70's data was. That being said the fact is records are still being added to the national database in in some case older ones that have been able to be pulled off microfiche stores, but these are low priority projects.

Each division at GM was responsible for archiving assembly records, some did a better job such as Cadillac which has records for almost every vehicle produced from the early 1900's whereas Chevrolet had no real retention policy, if the records survived in most case it was due to individuals making that decision.  Corvette owners were a unique marketing group and that assembly plant retained more records then other Chevy plants did.

So the long and the short of it is that even if you have access to the raw data as a member, the vehicles you would want are not in there - unless they were reported stolen at some point before 1992 or were wrecked and totaled.
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« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2013, 03:27:01 PM »

 Do you think the services offered to produce a VIN history report (example: InstaVin) would include cars made prior to when a 'title' began to be used?

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« Reply #8 on: February 16, 2013, 04:33:40 PM »

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 Corvette owners were a unique marketing group and that assembly plant retained more records then other Chevy plants did.
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Corvette production moved in 1981 from St Louis to Bowling Green KY.   The records from St Louis are apparently *gone*..  but BG has all their records (but only since '81)..
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69 Corvette convertible, silver/black 350 hp,
60 Corvette white/red, 72 Corvette coupe (2), 
90 ZR1 red/red #246, 90 ZR1 white/gray #2466
72 El Camino, '55 Nomad, '57 Nomad, '57 B/A Sedan
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« Reply #9 on: February 16, 2013, 10:56:38 PM »

Do you think the services offered to produce a VIN history report (example: InstaVin) would include cars made prior to when a 'title' began to be used?

Mike


My understanding is that the original data was only scrubbed of names and address information to comply with Federal Privacy Act regulations, so if the shippers record was there it should still be there. I know it is there on newer vehicles. 
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« Reply #10 on: February 17, 2013, 10:55:36 AM »

The NCRS has access, wonder if the CRG or American Camaro Club could gain access.

Nope, the NCRS does NOT have access; the NICB isn't interested in anyone having access other than the insurance industry and law enforcement.
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« Reply #11 on: February 17, 2013, 12:24:23 PM »

How is the NCRS getting all the info for delivering dealers and etc for all these cars?
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Check out the Black 69 RS/Z28 45k mile Survivor and the Lemans Blue 69 Z 10D frame off...
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« Reply #12 on: February 17, 2013, 10:27:28 PM »

 NCRS has permission to use the GM shipping data records. Those records are the property of GM; it took over five years once the information was located to get GM permission to use it. The associated expense for turning the microfiche into a searchable file was absorbable by NCRS only because of their structure and size. Just the microfiche does not provide the end answer NCRS also needed access to the GM dealer directories which was another stumbling block as they are often incomplete due to poor maintenance and file retention, dealer zones and numbers changed often with simple management change so there are multiple directories for multiple years.   Smiley John Z can probably expalin the dealer directory issue better than I, bottom line its an extrapolation from two different sources that reasults in the information supplied by NCRS to Corvette owners even those records have holes and are missing before 1962 and afeter 1975.
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« Reply #13 on: February 18, 2013, 12:15:24 AM »

Thank you for that explanation, i was under the (wrong) impression they had gained access to the NICB.
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Check out the Black 69 RS/Z28 45k mile Survivor and the Lemans Blue 69 Z 10D frame off...
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« Reply #14 on: February 18, 2013, 12:22:27 AM »

There was a time when your friendly detective, police officer, law enforcement official could access some type of record from NICB. Today I think it requires a case assignment/number and any officer or other found trying to access the stuff without proper authorization faces severe penalties.
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