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« Reply #15 on: January 31, 2013, 11:15:17 AM »


sticker label... Z's are coded DG
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« Reply #16 on: January 31, 2013, 11:41:26 AM »

I've got two original Z28 cowl Air cleaners, one off my car, and another from a friend's Z28 that I obtained in the '70's..  Illl check them for that sticker..  Thanks
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« Reply #17 on: January 31, 2013, 12:22:48 PM »

I have a 08C 1969 Z. The original ZL-2 hood is stamped 26.
My question is were flat hoods stamped as well?
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« Reply #18 on: January 31, 2013, 06:33:39 PM »

were flat hoods stamped as well?
Yes they were, on the driver's side rear corner - same as the picture posted earlier on page 1.
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« Reply #19 on: January 31, 2013, 07:20:06 PM »

Now we are seeing good data!    Please show Nor. or Van.  with body production  and hood week.    Now lets keep the data coming!
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« Reply #20 on: January 31, 2013, 08:43:17 PM »

Sorry my car is a Norwood Camaro
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« Reply #21 on: February 01, 2013, 01:19:54 AM »

OK .. thanks Mark.   Of course I recall seeing them on Z11, but don't recall ever seeing a *regular SS* with a cowl hood..  but then there weren't a lot of Z28's with the cowl hoods either, back in the day.. Smiley
Don't forget the Z10 came with them also.
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« Reply #22 on: February 01, 2013, 07:37:59 AM »

but I don't have an original option book...
http://www.camaros.org/options.shtml#RPOSpreadsheet

I don't think the COPO hoods would count in that RPO total, since it was part of the package.

Kurt, then the Z11s should not be counted either, right? Wasn't that a mandatory option for that package? I think since the Z10 was not a "real" factory package, they should be part of the 10,026 ordered individually. So that would make 9,726 hoods that were ordered as part of a Z28 or SS order (55,234).  That would make it around 17% of the Zs and SSes recieved the hood.  That to me sounds more plausible.
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« Reply #23 on: February 01, 2013, 12:31:47 PM »

Required option is different than being part of and engineered option (COPO).  All of the Z10, and Z11 were required to have option ZL2, and it did show up on the window sticker as a separate line item.  I would think that any car that had an option called out on the window sticker as a separate line item would cause that RPO to be added to the total number of units produced for that option.  Z28's required a muncie transmission, and power disc brakes but they weren't part of RPOZ28, which was essentially the 302 engine, and you paid for them as an extra option item.  I don't know if the COPOs were listed as a single line item ie 9557, with a list of peices parts that came under that option, or if they listed each separate item like ZL2, M22,L72, etc line by line.
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« Reply #24 on: February 01, 2013, 01:27:14 PM »

Ok, doing a quick window sticker google search, the COPOs did not have the "special ducted hood" called out.  But a SS did. But I could not find a Z11 one in my search.  Hmm, It now has me thinking, what other mandatory option was required on Z11s that was called out on the window sticker and could we deduce if the RPO counts for that option include or not include the mandatory option catagory. 
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« Reply #25 on: February 01, 2013, 01:42:40 PM »

I am sorry to say, I now have my doubts as th the accuracy of the RPO spreadsheet.  I relied on it as gospel Sad

example from RPO table: Total 69 convertible production = 17573.  I added the L6 (1707), V8(15866) and Canada (935) and came up with 18508 verts built.  OK, lets not count Canada, then the totals match.  Then we take the non power tops (17573 (same number as total vert production??)) and the power tops (9631) and together they are 27204 verts.  

OK some number is not correct here.  lets assume the Canada cars are not included in the production numbers, then can we assume that any Canadian export did not count towards the option count (ZL2 hood as an example)?  

I am hoping the power top and non-power top numbers just need some correction, but it makes me wonder if there are any more "corrections" that are needed in the table?  
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« Reply #26 on: February 01, 2013, 01:58:48 PM »

Seems like Kurt or one of the senior members here would have some data to share to concur or shed some light....
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« Reply #27 on: February 01, 2013, 02:13:49 PM »

You're reading the list incorrectly. In your example, C05 was used to indicate the color of the top, not that it was non-power. So ALL 17573 convertibles will have C05. C06 was used if the customer ordered the power top, so for 1969, 9631 customers opted for this option. Since the non-power top wasn't an option (it was standard equipment), there aren't any totals for this.

As for Canada, NO 1967-1969 Camaro was assembled in Canada, so the totals won't include these. This is just an indicator of how many were sent there from the Norwood plant. The same thing goes for the "Export" box. It's just an indicator of how many were exported to other countries (other than Canada).

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« Reply #28 on: February 01, 2013, 02:29:16 PM »

OK, I gotcha, I am relieved, it is just my intrepretation and not the data.  Smiley  Now I will look more closely at the totals armed with this info.  Thanks!
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« Reply #29 on: February 01, 2013, 02:54:19 PM »

Sorry to keep wasting your time Ed, I am still trying to figure this RPO sheet out.  I looked the SS option package (Z27) 34,932 cars built.  The notes say a bunch of things are included.  First being the "special" engine. I do not think the 350/300 engine is part of the "included" catagory like the C05 top, since the number of them (22,339) is less then the total SS's built.  So we have to assume all the SS available engines are listed seperatley on the RPO pdf.  But when I total up all the 350/300, 396/325,350,375 and the L89s, I get 36,309, which is 1,377 more "SS" engines then were built.  I am missing another key peice? Smiley  thanks   
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