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« on: October 22, 2012, 08:35:37 PM »

This w/e I saw a restored 69 Z-28 and half way from the center towards the passenger side of the trunk he had a red paint stripe on the trunks rubber weather seal about 1/4" wide..Is this a correct detail or just another detail touch by a car guy...He also had the weather seal cut in-line with the red paint stripe.

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« Reply #1 on: October 22, 2012, 10:15:51 PM »

I have seen this a lot but only on show restored Chevelle's, El Camino's  & Impalas so thought it was a full size thing or at least not a Norwood Fisher thing.
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« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2012, 09:28:55 AM »

This w/e I saw a restored 69 Z-28 and half way from the center towards the passenger side of the trunk he had a red paint stripe on the trunks rubber weather seal about 1/4" wide..Is this a correct detail or just another detail touch by a car guy...He also had the weather seal cut in-line with the red paint stripe.

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That's called "restoration graffiti".  :-(
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« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2012, 04:08:38 PM »

It's normally a light grease pencil mark (IIRC, not red). Fisher used it to center the trunk ws. Not very visible, per design.
And very rarely is the ws truly centered.
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« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2012, 05:58:33 PM »

It's normally a light grease pencil mark (IIRC, not red). Fisher used it to center the trunk ws. Not very visible, per design.
And very rarely is the ws truly centered.

I have seen this faint mark on two survivors, a 68Z and a 69Z. Both of those cars as Kurt mentioned had a faint mark approximately halfway between the center of trunk and the right upper side. I assumed it was some type of mark for cutting the w/s to a desired length as both marks seemed to be at a half point of total length.
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« Reply #5 on: October 23, 2012, 07:45:49 PM »

Thanks  for the clarification..It did make you notice the ws ..It just looked odd to see the weather stripping off-centered as with most cars being centered..

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« Reply #6 on: October 23, 2012, 09:36:27 PM »

Eddie, the trunk w/s did vary in the start/stop position but most of the NOR cars I have looked at did not normally have the start/stop ends of the w/s at the latch. It was usually left of the latch. Just my observations and what others have said over the years.
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« Reply #7 on: October 23, 2012, 09:53:38 PM »

The center of the weatherstrip had an orange mark which was offset to the right on quite a few original cars.
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« Reply #8 on: October 24, 2012, 11:28:57 AM »

My untouched/original 02D Norwood '69 has no marking on the upper area of the weatherstrip, and the end joint is centered on the latch.
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« Reply #9 on: October 24, 2012, 12:11:21 PM »

John,

Where can I get one of those CRG hats?

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« Reply #10 on: October 24, 2012, 12:18:29 PM »

John,

Where can I get one of those CRG hats?

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« Reply #11 on: October 24, 2012, 03:09:26 PM »

X3 on the hat!  Grin You started something now John......
Here is a picture of the mark on a 69Z survivor I referred to earlier.
Notice the mark is just to the left of the right side stripe and the mark is in the middle of the OAL.
I have the pic too large so you have to arrow it to the left to just see the white of a stripe.
Very similar to what James showed.
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« Reply #12 on: October 24, 2012, 03:11:00 PM »

John,

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Paul
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« Reply #13 on: October 24, 2012, 04:21:20 PM »

You bet ya!  Add me to the list, if we can buy them!
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« Reply #14 on: October 24, 2012, 05:19:25 PM »

You bet ya!  Add me to the list, if we can buy them!

Yea Phillip, I can see it now! Members with the hat and our aka embroidered on the side. Dang I'd look good don't you know!
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« Reply #15 on: October 24, 2012, 05:54:24 PM »

Here is a better shot... add it to the collection...
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« Reply #16 on: October 27, 2012, 12:07:29 PM »

John,

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Paul

As I recall, we had a small number of those made 8-10 years ago, just for the Core Group.
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« Reply #17 on: October 27, 2012, 08:25:32 PM »

Would be nice to have something to wear to events. Would be easier to spot each other. I have been to a number of events, mostly at englishtown and carlisle. Other than one very brief conversation with a very busy Jerry, to my knowledge, I have never met a CRG member.
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« Reply #18 on: October 28, 2012, 10:30:42 PM »

I looked at my car today and it has the mark. Mine lines up with the inside pin stripe on the passenger side. My weather strip isn't centered on the latch. It comes together on the left side and lines up with the side of the latch. Have pictures but need to make them smaller
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« Reply #19 on: October 29, 2012, 09:29:55 AM »

heres my weather strip.  it is still nice and soft
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« Reply #20 on: October 29, 2012, 09:03:38 PM »

The redish stripe/ mark is on just about every unrestored Camaro we have certified. Very comon and certainly not graffiti.
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« Reply #21 on: October 30, 2012, 12:32:44 AM »

What I wanna know is who was wearing that hat inside John's trunk?HuhHuh
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« Reply #22 on: October 30, 2012, 08:07:40 AM »

Pic of another survivor and the trunk w/s mark. Located in the area of the right side Z/28 stripe.
Some restored cars utilize a painted stripe to duplicate but it seems to be a type of grease pencil mark
from the factory. Is that the opinion of Steve and others in the camaro community that have observed
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« Reply #23 on: October 30, 2012, 11:09:44 AM »

Again that is what I have observed. Also as noted the stripe is located toward the right side of the trunk upper opening. Certainly possible but I have not seen the seam line up perfectly with the trunk latch as noted in John Z example. The seam is usually found a couple inches on either side of the latch. My point being it was not a requirement to line up, and not comonly observed by me or the Vintage Certification team.

We will be certifying cars at the MCACN (www.mcacn.com ) in Chicago 11/17 & 18 and will have a couple of unrestored 1st gen camaros being certified. Stop by and I'll show you the stripes.... We will also have several make and model cars certified by our team of  specialist, such as 65 Shelby Mustang, AAR Cuda,. LS6 Chevelle, 69 Talladega and others.
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« Reply #24 on: October 30, 2012, 12:38:26 PM »

Never new this...had to go look. Mark is there (Nor 05D), off center to the left,ends meet off center to left of latch. Nice hat.
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« Reply #25 on: October 30, 2012, 03:51:40 PM »

wierd its there if nothing lines up in the center and the marking is all in a little different place.
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« Reply #26 on: October 30, 2012, 04:15:38 PM »

It's normally a light grease pencil mark (IIRC, not red). Fisher used it to center the trunk ws. Not very visible, per design.
And very rarely is the ws truly centered.

Totally agree with Kurt, the red mark was the center off the seal. I have seen this on quit a few original cars, slightly to the right of center which put the seam ( Usually, but not always ) left of the latch.
 These marks are pretty common on other Chevy's too, sometime a double paint mark with two colors.
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« Reply #27 on: October 30, 2012, 05:47:38 PM »

It's normally a light grease pencil mark (IIRC, not red). Fisher used it to center the trunk ws. Not very visible, per design.
And very rarely is the ws truly centered.

Totally agree with Kurt, the red mark was the center off the seal. I have seen this on quit a few original cars, slightly to the right of center which put the seam ( Usually, but not always ) left of the latch.
 These marks are pretty common on other Chevy's too, sometime a double paint mark with two colors.
See you in Chicago Steve.

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One theory was that it was the center of the seal but I found too many marks that were more than six inches off from center. Another theory was it may have been an inspection mark used to identify that the trunk lid/ seal had passed water leak test. I will post pics of my 14k mile car, where both the mark and seam are left of center which would make the portion of the seal to the left of the mark much shorter. Just an observation.

Mike I'm also looking forward to seeing you and Grady and his fantastic unrestored Nova. BTW on the Camaro side we also have a 5k mile 71 Z28 for certification and a 1970 #2 pilot Camaro. 


















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« Reply #28 on: October 30, 2012, 07:00:50 PM »

This is from my 14 K survivor. The mark is about 4 inches to left of center and the seam is about the same distance left of center. If the point of the mark was to locate the center point they we off quite often In this example about 8 inches, but it wasn't critical measurement anyway. I live on LI so I'm dealing with the damage hurricane sandy left so I won't be able to see my other survivor cars until the weekend. I'll take more pics then.
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« Reply #29 on: October 30, 2012, 07:37:06 PM »

Steve - Would LI be Long Island Sound? If it is how are you even able to communicate with us? Man I'm glad your okay!!!
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« Reply #30 on: October 31, 2012, 11:02:40 AM »

Yes I live on Long Island. We had minimal damage, just some fencing and two trees. Amazingly we have power, however my mother inlaw and friends with dogs are staying with us and I gave my generator to a friend without power.

Below are pictures of two unrestored cars the blue car has the  mark just to the right of center and the seam 5 inches to the right. The green car has the mark 1 1/2 inches to the right of center and the seam 8 inches to the left of center. Just a few more examples of variation of the seal placement & mark.
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« Reply #31 on: October 31, 2012, 11:18:03 AM »

My RG Z survivor trunk seal placement.
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« Reply #32 on: October 31, 2012, 12:35:16 PM »

I looked at my car today and it has the mark. Mine lines up with the inside pin stripe on the passenger side. My weather strip isn't centered on the latch. It comes together on the left side and lines up with the side of the latch. Have pictures but need to make them smaller

After reading all these comments on such a mark (initially, I thought as JohnZ did - that it was 'restorer's graffiti'), I became very curious so last night I went down to my basement and checked my car.   It's an 09C RS/Z28 that I traded for in the mid 70's and drove for a few years and then parked in my basement in late 1980, where it sits today (although I'm now working on it again cleaning it up)..   Anyway, last night after seeing BillOhios comments and photo, I took my camera down to my car and checked.   LO and Behold.. My trunk weatherstripping has a mark essentially *exactly* as BillOhio's...   Even after owning the car for 37 yrs, I'd never noticed that, and I'm amazed that after all the washings, polishing, rubbing, etc..  that I never noticed it, or removed it!!

PS.   you fellas are amazing - thinking about all the things I've learned about my car that I would have never noticed without you pointing it out!   (and I'm a lifelong 'CAR GUY'....   Smiley

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« Reply #33 on: October 31, 2012, 03:51:09 PM »

Could that mark just ID the type/shape of seal to use on the assembly line? do other models have another color?
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« Reply #34 on: October 31, 2012, 07:51:44 PM »

If the color was orange does any body know the color code/name. I'm not sure I have seen an orange grease pencil but I'm sure they make them..The color on the car I saw looked to be a Garnet red color..How incorrect would it be to have the color on the right side of the back glass close to the inner pin stripe as stated with some on the left and right side) WS and, not to have it centered with the WS seam joint - as with Kurt's car. I don't mind redoing my WS but I would rather not have to refit another WS since this is firmly in-place now. From a detail prospective it looks factory correct and its a great story as to why its there.. Now that I have all these factoids..

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« Reply #35 on: October 31, 2012, 07:56:25 PM »

My last post was in correct, it was JohnZ's 02D car and not Kurt's ..Sorry about that guys I don't want to offend anyone.

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« Reply #36 on: October 31, 2012, 08:06:34 PM »

From a detail prospective it looks factory correct and its a great story as to why its there.. Now that I have all these factoids..

Eddie

Eddie not picking on you but what story as to why it's there are you referring? Maybe I missed it but I can't find a consensuses as to why it's there.
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« Reply #37 on: October 31, 2012, 09:03:29 PM »

It would be a story from all of the above comments rolled into a conversation about why its there... Since there are varying opinions as to why its marked on the WS,  there are many references one could reference from this post alone. 

One could tell that the marking could be found on the right or left side of the center of the windshield... One could tell someone it seams to denotes the center of the WS, (which seems to be the most logical to me), or its a QC trunk mark for water leaks testing.

Basically, the same story the guy told me, in that, many original photos of survivor cars shows this marking on the WS, but not really sure what it really means.

Unless, I missed the real reason its there...

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« Reply #38 on: October 31, 2012, 09:08:19 PM »

I believe that when they pulled off the length of WS, they marked the approximate center and slid it into place. They just tried to get the mark about mid-way so the ends were near the center.
All approximates and could be off on either side - remember, you have 60 seconds to get it done....
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« Reply #39 on: October 31, 2012, 09:26:45 PM »

OK Now I see where you are coming from Eddie.  Just from following this thread I believe you pretty much nailed it Kurt. Reference point and that's it. Git-Er-Done !!
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« Reply #40 on: November 01, 2012, 05:25:19 PM »

If they only had 60 sec. to get it done, then I would have never made it on the production line installing WS.  I think it took me about two hours of fitting and glueing to get mine where I want it..

Thanks to all for helping me understand this better...
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« Reply #41 on: November 04, 2012, 10:33:50 PM »

Some operations could be double the amount of time. No idea if this was one of them. But then still only 120 seconds....
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« Reply #42 on: November 05, 2012, 03:01:20 PM »

If the color was orange does any body know the color code/name. I'm not sure I have seen an orange grease pencil but I'm sure they make them..
Eddie

I suggest getting an old PMS (Pantone Matching System) color chip set for matching. Ask for an old one at a local print shop.
This way anyone who wants a certain color just needs the PMS number and then anyone can match it from a std chip.
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« Reply #43 on: November 05, 2012, 10:13:03 PM »

Wonder how these things work?
http://www.poppin.com/Hi-Orange-Gel-Ink-Pens.html
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« Reply #44 on: November 05, 2012, 10:41:16 PM »


Chick since you came up with this I happen to think of something. My sister-in-law is an artist and she might have or know of something that would work. I'll go over one day this week and check with her.
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« Reply #45 on: November 13, 2012, 09:39:35 PM »

I have a stripe on the upper right as well-
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« Reply #46 on: November 15, 2012, 09:44:07 PM »

Faint but the stripe is there.



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