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lynnbilodeau
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« Reply #15 on: October 10, 2012, 09:32:02 PM »

As for what it is worth, there are a lot of variables.

I think you said pan to intake with correct internals.

Does it include the correct non dripper valve covers?  Hard to find nice ones.

I know you said everything checked out fine, but most guys are going to assume that it MAY need to be bored and new pistons fitted.  I realize there are those that would just take a chance, put it together and hope for the best.  However, that is quite an assumption.  I bought an all original DZ engine in 1983 that had thrown a rod.  I am thinking I can buy one piston (still available from Chevy dealer at the time), have the one bad cyl sleeved and get this thing built cheap.  Turned out 6 of the pistons had collapsed skirts, which is pretty common if it ever overheated.  Ended up buying 8 more brand new .030 pistons and having the block bored.  BTW, ran like a scaulded dog with the 140 cam and headers!!!  But, the point is that is was much more expensive than I had planned.

So.... what it is worth is pretty subjective given the chances one has to take.  I suspect if there is someone out there with their original POP that shows a V0605DZ engine code, it is worth quite a bit to them.  For everyone else, pretty much the sum of the parts.  Here is a run down of the parts, but these are nothing more than my opinion.

If the crank is still standard AND DOESN'T NEED TURNED it will bring $750. 
The block $1,000 to $1500 (just because everyone is going to assume it may need bored). 
The pink floating rods probably $400 if they are rust free.
The pan and windage tray maybe $300 (there is a pan still avialable OTC for about $100, but it isn't an exact match.
Set of used standard pistions will bring between $80 and $250 depending on how the final day of bidding goes on ebay.
Intake will bring about $400.
Valve covers (if you have them) about $300 to $400.
Heads, if they haven't been messed with (still have press in studs and no porting) about $400 as is.
Not much demand for a used camshaft, but I am sure there is a buyer out there.

Ballpark is about $4250 with valve covers.  Less without.   However, if the guy with car 666321 has a pop that matches, it is worth whatever he is willing to pay.
I just sold a V1217DZ block to a guy who had a V1217DZ  POP but no original motor.  I could have stuck it to him so to speak, but went ahead and sold it to him for $1500.  He was shocked, expecting me to hold him hostage for it.

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« Reply #16 on: October 11, 2012, 08:14:53 AM »

I see 9N663214.
That fits other blocks in that timeframe. Car is not in the db. I'll add that it's not a common block date.
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« Reply #17 on: October 12, 2012, 08:18:05 AM »

Don't base anything on one data point.

My NOR Z/28 db has almost 700 examples and 3 weeks is well off the norm. It depends on when a car was built. During peak Z/28 production periods it is not unusual to see engine installations 7-10 days after build. During slow production months [July '69 2 weeks, Aug '69 3 weeks] DZ engine inventory increased. When production picked up again in Sep some cars received June engines. By late Sep engine dates were back to 7-10 day installation.

Don't apply this thinking to Van Nuys. Because of the distance VN kept more engine inventory and of course it aged. Also the data hints that some engine dates are unique to a specific plant.
Interesting William.  I have noticed very few July (K) produced muncies across the board.   Most early August cars seem to have June trans., although some have a July trans.
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« Reply #18 on: October 12, 2012, 12:16:37 PM »

Having been in Operations, and more recently, Supply Chain most of my 41 year Mfg career some stuff is obvious to me.

No plant manager wants to be stuck with obsolete inventory at the end of a model year. The people that plan this stuff watch on hand inventories very closely. July-August were partial shutdown periods for most assembly plants so Muncie may have built ahead a bit. Plus I'll bet with the extension of the '69 Camaro model year every Chevy plant was sending left over material to Norwood. Maybe even other GM plants since Muncies were fairly generic. Why else would October '69 built Camaros have alternators produced in May? Must make the judges crazy.

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« Reply #19 on: October 14, 2012, 11:02:22 PM »

Don't forget..  both Camaros and Corvettes went into extended production at that time...
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