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12/1/67 Stamped DF wheels used in Production?
« on: October 03, 2012, 02:33:51 AM »
Back in 2005 I was introduced to at the time my first dated 12/1/67 DF wheel via ebay. I was so taken by it I even printed off and documented the results. Since then, I have noted several DF wheels over the years with the same date stamping. Even have three of them in my DF collection! Interesting to note all of the examples I have seen have a 12/67 inner hub date as well. Does anyone have information concerning whether any of these were used in production? Note the K1 location & always a light stamp.





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Re: 12/1/67 Stamped DF wheels used in Production?
« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2012, 01:18:35 PM »
My car & another from Los Angeles had these wheels in the trunk. The cars are 15 vin numbers from each other & both are 02E. He purchased his car in 1971 & I purchased mine in 1976....Joe
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Re: 12/1/67 Stamped DF wheels used in Production?
« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2012, 12:48:15 AM »
My car & another from Los Angeles had these wheels in the trunk. The cars are 15 vin numbers from each other & both are 02E. He purchased his car in 1971 & I purchased mine in 1976....Joe

Thanks Joe!
Surely some of our resident experts have or know something of this? :) Need some assistance and info concerning this please.
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69 Z/28 NOR 07A Orig Block & GM Cross-ram/carbs
69 L34 Rest. Nova Father/Son Car
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Re: 12/1/67 Stamped DF wheels used in Production?
« Reply #3 on: October 07, 2012, 02:59:25 PM »
Maybe they all went on vacation at the same time  :)
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Re: 12/1/67 Stamped DF wheels used in Production?
« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2012, 03:49:23 PM »
I guess I am not understanding what it is you are questioning.
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Re: 12/1/67 Stamped DF wheels used in Production?
« Reply #5 on: October 07, 2012, 06:55:34 PM »
I guess I am not understanding what it is you are questioning.
My Question Jon was "Does anyone have information concerning whether any of these were used in production?" With many members having 68Z's, members checking survivor cars, car judges, whatever, I was hoping we could uncover just how these were used (production vs. service replacement) as they are so early of a date code to what we think is normal. So far "X66 714" verified that two LOS cars had one in the trunk. Researching both here and team camaro supplied little if any info.  Thanks Jon for helping me clarify what this is all about.
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Re: 12/1/67 Stamped DF wheels used in Production?
« Reply #6 on: October 07, 2012, 07:36:53 PM »
Why would they not be used in production, Chick? They are in the early-middle of the production cycle for the '68 Z/28 and made prior to when your car, and the other two cars mentioned, were produced.
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Re: 12/1/67 Stamped DF wheels used in Production?
« Reply #7 on: October 07, 2012, 08:00:35 PM »
Why would they not be used in production, Chick? They are in the early-middle of the production cycle for the '68 Z/28 and made prior to when your car, and the other two cars mentioned, were produced.
One of the few pcs. of info here involved the same type dated wheel on ebay some months ago and about the only comment was it was probably a "service replacement only wheel." Since I could not find any written (books) info to review or comments on these early of a dated wheels on production cars there was a question in my mind especially when the orig. wheels on our car were stolen back around 1969/1970 and the first owner purchased after market wheels to replace instead of waiting for GM replacements. I do not wish to utilize a wheel only to find out it is not correct. It ain't easy obtaining some of this info don't you know....... :) 
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Re: 12/1/67 Stamped DF wheels used in Production?
« Reply #8 on: October 08, 2012, 02:56:45 AM »
The Wheel data spreadsheet I use states that DF is:
1967 - size 15x6 JK for Camaro Z-28 and coding for these wheels began on 3-1-1967.  
These wheels use 5 bolt pattern, 4-3/4 bolt center, 7/16 bolt size, 2.783 center hole, .62 offset, 13.156 rim inner dimension, welded construction, and manufactured by Kelsey Hayes.
The database also says they were used in 1968 on Camaro Z-28. So I assume that it was a general production wheel.
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Re: 12/1/67 Stamped DF wheels used in Production?
« Reply #9 on: October 08, 2012, 04:09:07 AM »
Chick, so you are just wanting to be sure the December 1, 1967 DF wheel is an acceptable wheel as used on a '68 Z/28 such as yours, built at Norwood 01B, correct? That had not been clear to me from your original posting. My opinion is yes, that could have been an original wheel as used on your car. Maybe Ed can scan the database to see if we have some cars where that data has been recorded or some owners with January '68 Z/28s can chime in.
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Re: 12/1/67 Stamped DF wheels used in Production?
« Reply #10 on: October 08, 2012, 11:43:07 AM »
I sure do appreciate your persistence Jon on assisting me with zeroing in on the question. I'm trying to know if anyone has noted a 12-1-67 dated small font wheel/s used on assembly cars leaving NOR. It seems for some reason a batch of KH wheels were date coded on Dec. 1, 1967 and then subsequent batches were not until much later. I've noted Feb.68 wheels from the same KH plant with the large DF font (no date code at valve stem hole) and it seems df date coding kicked in during March, 68 for good.


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69 Z/28 NOR 07A Orig Block & GM Cross-ram/carbs
69 L34 Rest. Nova Father/Son Car
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Re: 12/1/67 Stamped DF wheels used in Production?
« Reply #11 on: October 08, 2012, 05:06:41 PM »
I've noted Feb.68 wheels from the same KH plant with the large DF font (no date code at valve stem hole).

This is the case with my 02C LOS '68 Z/28.

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Re: 12/1/67 Stamped DF wheels used in Production?
« Reply #12 on: October 08, 2012, 08:31:49 PM »
So where is the date code?   on the inside of the wheel?
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Re: 12/1/67 Stamped DF wheels used in Production?
« Reply #13 on: October 08, 2012, 10:06:55 PM »
I would assume that the original "run" of this limited use wheel was supply enough to last through the mid model run for the 67's and maybe for those used for the 68 models too?   I have never seen a schedule of production for Kelsey-Hayes but assume it manufactured wheels based on GM's production needs producing some wheel styles daily and others as assembly plant inventory demanded.  The database states that this wheel was first "coded" on March 1 1967, so that batch must have been exhausted by December when your wheels were manufactured. What code was put on the Z-28's produced from December 1966 til March 1 1967?
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Re: 12/1/67 Stamped DF wheels used in Production?
« Reply #14 on: October 08, 2012, 11:20:18 PM »
I think I remember the service parts wheels my cousin bought back in the last century were black. Is that correct?
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