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Re: 69 Z28 Engine Bay Pic's
« Reply #105 on: December 17, 2013, 05:06:59 PM »
 Thanks John. Mark, that's what I was leading to. My car had 2 orange stamps and I didn't see a 3rd. But back then I didn't realize green existed so I didn't look for any traces of it when documenting my car before restoration (more like resurrecting from the dead). Your explanation makes logical sense to me as to why some stamp combinations have orange and green.

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Re: 69 Z28 Engine Bay Pic's
« Reply #106 on: December 18, 2013, 04:31:43 PM »
I'm assuming they had to pull it off line at the final inspection point if it failed to get the issue resolved because there would probably be very little time to fix it between the inspection, and the body going thru the wall the Chevrolet.

That's correct - there was a "loop" at the end of the Trim conveyor near the Final Inspection point that could hold about 10 units; if an issue popped up at Final Inspection that couldn't be dealt with on-line in five minutes or so, the unit was shunted off onto the repair loop, repaired, re-inspected, and inserted back into the main delivery conveyor.
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Re: 69 Z28 Engine Bay Pic's
« Reply #107 on: December 18, 2013, 05:52:24 PM »
Think of the manufacturing engineers that had to think up the design of a miles long continually moving assembly line.  Things like being able to pull something off the line, put it back on, designate the points along the line where it could happen, find the space in the building to do it in a small foot print, all the while not screwing up the series delivery of all the different sub assemlblies at all the different installation points along the way for all of the cars being built that day. 

This particular event took place right at the end of the line, so there wouldn't have been much coordination needed as it related to the repair as all the scheduled parts would all be on the tub at this point, and it hadn't been "logged" into Chevrolets side so none of the remaining parts would have been scheduled until after the VIN and prodcution sequence number was assigned. 

Say a seat had a big tear in it, and had to be replaced, and that was why it got rejected.  Where would they get the new one from and what would happen to the one that had to come out of the car?
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Re: 69 Z28 Engine Bay Pic's
« Reply #108 on: December 19, 2013, 04:13:51 PM »
Say a seat had a big tear in it, and had to be replaced, and that was why it got rejected.  Where would they get the new one from and what would happen to the one that had to come out of the car?

The unit would be held in the circulating repair loop until the Cushion Room could build a replacement seat (that would be faster than tearing down the damaged seat and re-trimming it); the new seat would be installed, and the unit would be shipped. The damaged seat would be taken to the Cushion Room, torn down, and re-scheduled.

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« Reply #109 on: January 04, 2014, 01:37:26 PM »
Has anyone thought about the possibility of Fisher Body use a stenciling "INK" not paint.
Stencil Ink does not have the same consistency as traditional paints.
just a idea.

We use "Stenciling" INK to label Electrical Bussing and mark Naval circuit breakers for various hulls in the DoD side of ships repair all the time.

It does not cover very well and stamps crisp and fades with time, ,,,

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Believe several of us have been saying that for a few years. Wish we would find out from someone who worked there.  It has never looked like a paint to me due to be so transparent and thin in thickness. 

I updated my build thread as I finally completed the "P", "D", & "T" stampings and what I used to complete. Came out very close to originals IMO. Inks I tried did not come close to originals so that changed my direction back to a type of paint. 

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Re: 69 Z28 Engine Bay Pic's
« Reply #110 on: January 05, 2014, 10:55:53 AM »
Has anyone thought about the possibility of Fisher Body use a stenciling "INK" not paint.
Stencil Ink does not have the same consistency as traditional paints.
just a idea.

We use "Stenciling" INK to label Electrical Bussing and mark Naval circuit breakers for various hulls in the DoD side of ships repair all the time.

It does not cover very well and stamps crisp and fades with time, ,,,

Jim

Believe several of us have been saying that for a few years. Wish we would find out from someone who worked there.  It has never looked like a paint to me due to be so transparent and thin in thickness. 

I updated my build thread as I finally completed the "P", "D", & "T" stampings and what I used to complete. Came out very close to originals IMO. Inks I tried did not come close to originals so that changed my direction back to a type of paint. 

http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=182584&page=47




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Re: 69 Z28 Engine Bay Pic's
« Reply #111 on: January 05, 2014, 02:49:01 PM »
Chick I think you nailed it with the paint rather than ink. I have seen allot of variations in how the edge of the stamps vary due to the angle & pressure of the inspector. I think yours came out great. Here is a comparison I did to my original stamps. George

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Re: 69 Z28 Engine Bay Pic's
« Reply #112 on: January 10, 2014, 07:17:56 AM »
Here are some results using High Pigment Permanent India Ink in a stamp pad. Hit the INKPAD  then hit the car quick.

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Re: 69 Z28 Engine Bay Pic's
« Reply #113 on: January 10, 2014, 08:45:56 AM »
Here are some results using High Pigment Permanent India Ink in a stamp pad. Hit the INKPAD  then hit the car quick.



Hey James where did you get the stamps. They look different than the ones I have. I like the ones you have better.

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Re: 69 Z28 Engine Bay Pic's
« Reply #114 on: January 31, 2014, 06:00:10 AM »
They were purchased from ricks years ago...

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« Reply #115 on: January 31, 2014, 06:30:06 AM »
They were purchased from ricks years ago...


Thanks James I ordered some stamps from HBC and they look just like the ones you and Chick used.

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Re: 69 Z28 Engine Bay Pic's
« Reply #116 on: January 31, 2014, 09:44:45 PM »
Worth noting for the PTB discussion, that JohnZ's Assembly Process article describes the inspection marks as "ink stamps".
(My apologies if this has already been noted elsewhere in this thread, but I didn't spot it if it is).
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Re: 69 Z28 Engine Bay Pic's
« Reply #117 on: January 31, 2014, 11:10:45 PM »
Worth noting for the PTB discussion, that JohnZ's Assembly Process article describes the inspection marks as "ink stamps".
(My apologies if this has already been noted elsewhere in this thread, but I didn't spot it if it is).

That is correct Tim as Chick pointed out. I am going to try the same method Chick used as his stamps looked great IMO.

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Re: 69 Z28 Engine Bay Pic's
« Reply #118 on: May 21, 2014, 05:51:51 PM »
Here are the ones I just did on the 12C X66 convertible I am painting and detailing. (I used Grass Green Permanent India Ink and an ink pad.)

Note that the light color is not entirely Cortez silver, it is the grey primer, there is only a faint hint of silver mist.
The cowl tag is the original finish and was taped up during the refinishing.







Other than a poorly masked color change this car was very original and had been sitting in Floyd Garrets museum for years.