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Decoding/Numbers / Re: Caveat Emptor...another repro window sticker
« Last post by Mike S on June 22, 2016, 03:54:18 PM »
What's the VIN on that SS350 protect-o-plate?  Have you listed it in the Orphans section?  If not, can you send me a pic so it can be added to the database?

This was a parts car that I used to replace rear floor boards and the dash top on my convertible back in the early 80's before there were repro body parts. No motor or other drive train components, just an empty body that was eventually junked. The POP was in the glovebox then.

Decoding/Numbers / Re: Caveat Emptor...another repro window sticker
« Last post by Mike S on June 22, 2016, 03:45:32 PM »
  I would not want the words 'reproduction' on the front no more than I would want 'reproduction' on the front of any sticker or dealer emblem. You can make the best photo copy in the world of an accurate and aged looking repro window sticker that has the water mark on the back and not have the mark on the new copy. But, you can never duplicate the feel, texture and smell of aged (oxidized) paper with that copy so it won't matter where a watermark is. And if someone is holding an aged looking document but has a new feel and they got burnt then shame on them for not researching. When I have mine done up I'm going to ask the vendor if they can put a 'repro' water mark on the back. It will just be for my own satisfaction regardless how the legal community views it.
Decoding/Numbers / Re: 67 Camaro possible pace car
« Last post by midyear on June 22, 2016, 03:45:15 PM »
tag is bare aluminum, current owner has had it since 1971, car sat in a shop for "restoration" and all I see are many missing parts and poor quality work that all needs to be redone. the car does show evidence of a chemical stripper being used on it (rockers are still rough w/brush marks) vin is 124677N204108

General Discussion / Re: History of my 1969 Z 28, HELP 9N537973
« Last post by 69 Zee on June 22, 2016, 03:38:43 PM »
Like myself,  I'd like to find my second owner from the Sarasota Fl area.  ::)   I was thinking (when time allows) to search thru for the last name.  And/or if the town isn't that big,  I'm sure you could dig up a "Young" from that area that may lead to the original owner or family member.

Who knows and good luck, btw your local to me with a 954 area code (Broward Fl)   :D
Decoding/Numbers / Re: 67 Camaro possible pace car
« Last post by 68 Ragtop on June 22, 2016, 03:30:38 PM »
Was the firewall and tag  paint chemically stripped? Maybe that stripped the rivet caulk as well.
Decoding/Numbers / Re: 67 Camaro possible pace car
« Last post by Mark on June 22, 2016, 03:21:55 PM »
It does indeed look like a PC tag, all inof looks correct, but I think the tag has been off the car, or at least the filler has been pulled from the rivits.  What's the VIN?
Decoding/Numbers / Re: Caveat Emptor...another repro window sticker
« Last post by cook_dw on June 22, 2016, 03:19:17 PM »
I was being a little silly when I said the hobby would fall on its face but this hobby has changed a ton over the past 20 years..  And yes you have to do your homework that is a necessity.  But I guess my real point was you are never gonna stop people from making fake docs...  and the more they are talked about in a public forum; sooner or later someone will make one that can not be recognized as fake..  My theory has been and always will be that it is great on pointing out the fakes but discussing what is wrong vs what is right on a forum gives anyone with internet access the ability to better their craft..  With knowledge comes power; with power comes corruption..  I think its time for me to step back into the shadows..
General Discussion / Re: I got to drive my car!!!
« Last post by BULLITT65 on June 22, 2016, 02:37:13 PM »
Very cool color combo. Reminds me of Jimmy V's 69 Z, except yours is burgundy. Keep the pics coming ... :)
Decoding/Numbers / Re: Caveat Emptor...another repro window sticker
« Last post by BULLITT65 on June 22, 2016, 02:34:50 PM »
Not sure I agree that the hobby would fall on its face if GM had (has) them, and then released them. I think about PHS and the Marti reports, which seem to verify things for the Pontiacs and Ford/Mercury guys. Would there be some lawsuits? sure, but I think it would be on a small percentage of cars. When the NCRS all of a sudden had access to find out which dealer your car came from and the date it was produced, that may have led some guys to realize their cars docs and some components were fake, and may have resulted in some law suits, but I think many guys that don't bother to research, and just take the seller at their word, probably also didn't take the time to order that from the NCRS. I also believe there is a small percentage of us that can recognize a real window sticker vs. a fake.
William, Kurt, James, and others on here, have been great on weighing in on authenticity, and I believe has helped many of us learn how to spot originals, vs. helping the fraudsters make better fakes. There is no way of knowing this, but I am going off of how many fakes are still spotted, or mismatched cars that all of a sudden pop up with an original drivetrain. Hell I thought I found a window sticker from the same dealer as my car, (it was with a 68 Corvair), and it was a fake. So yes fakes are al over, but as Jimmy V alluded to, you have to check over all the docs and stamps.

I agree with Tim though the water mark, or identify-er should be on the front of the window sticker, make that much harder to duplicate, or that much easier to identify as a reproduction.
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