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General Discussion / Factory Production 69 Camaro JL8 L-78?
« Last post by VINCE Z28 on December 13, 2018, 08:15:51 PM »
Do we know of any 69 Camaros with L-78 and  JL8 from the factory with docs?
Decoding/Numbers / Re: Fisher Body Number Report (1969)
« Last post by william on December 13, 2018, 07:22:09 PM »
Here's a few others. Reading all of them gives one a better feel for what dealing with Chevy was really like in the good 'ol days.

Chevrolet = Racing?

By Paul Van Valkenburgh. He worked in Chevrolet R & D in the ‘60s. In the 320 pages there is virtually no mention of drag racing. It is briefly noted: “In the field of drag racing Chevrolet has been even less concerned with any specific individual or team activities.” They did do some evaluation on one of Jenkins cars but didn’t learn much from it. Chevy had tremendous involvement with stock car racing, T/A racing with Penske/Donohue, sports car racing with Jim Hall/Chaparral. 

The author had some involvement with Tony DeLorenzo, at the time an amateur racer. Never mind that his father was a GM VP, he had to buy his L-88 Corvette from a Chevy dealer. Their normal parts source was junkyards. For the ’71 season they bought a pair of Bud Moore Mustangs. Quoting the book: “Just how much Chevrolet racing support can there be when two such insiders buy Fords to race?”

Best Damn Garage in Town

By Smokey Yunick. The consummate insider, Smokey was there at the birth of NASCAR and was involved with R & D well into the ‘70s. There are some amusing comments about the Hemi 302. A constant theme throughout the book is how cheap and difficult Chevy was to deal with.

The Unfair Advantage

By Mark Donohue. There is no better source for perspective on what dealing with Chevrolet was like. The Penske/Chevrolet relationship was so bad by the end of ’69 they switched to AMC Javelins for the 1970 season, a ballsy move considering Penske was a Chevrolet dealer. Same theme as Smokey: cheap and difficult to deal with. When their ’67 Camaro race car was damaged in a trailer wreck it was rebuilt with junkyard parts. When they wanted Chevy to air freight improved engine parts direct to a track Piggins refused stating “We aren’t involved in racing.” All they did was win back to back championships for Chevy but couldn’t get someone to send them some parts.
General Discussion / Re: Big Block Cross-Ram intake
« Last post by bcmiller on December 13, 2018, 06:23:49 PM »
No cross rams for big blocks that I am aware of, but tunnel rams - of course.

Look back at old drag racing photos with big blocks. Inline - not offset - carbs were the thing. Find some old photos of Grumpy or Dick Harrell.

Cross rams look impressive visually but can be hard to tune and generally are not street friendly. Yes I know there are guys that run them. It’s been proven on the dyno that with a little 302, a single 800 cfm or larger carb will perform as good or better than a cross ram setup.

My experience with multiple carb setups has mostly been on the old W motor Chevy 409s and Fords with over 460 cubic inches. And the Fords were in jet boats, not cars.
Decoding/Numbers / Re: Fisher Body Number Report (1969)
« Last post by rlw68 on December 13, 2018, 05:16:19 PM »

Thanks for the book recommendation!  I know little about DeLorean other than flux capacitors :)
General Discussion / Re: Black console gauges
« Last post by bertfam on December 13, 2018, 04:16:48 PM »
Nope. Black gauges were used on 68-74 Nova, which weren't assembled in Norwood or L.A. during this time period, so they wouldn't even have access to them. And that car wouldn't have even been scheduled to be built if the parts (the gauges in this case) weren't available.

More info in gauge colors HERE.

General Discussion / Black console gauges
« Last post by Kelley W King on December 13, 2018, 03:58:02 PM »
I was reading about a said original car that had black face gauges and said it was because of shortage or employee error. It is a Norwood car so I don,t think that black units would even be in the factory. It said sold new Jan. of 69. Any cars with original black units out there? They did look good with the black interior.
Maintenance / Re: Power Valve on the 4053 Secondaries
« Last post by vabeach56wagon on December 13, 2018, 03:28:41 PM »
Our Holley 4053 repro carb showed up yesterday: jetted 68 primary; 76 secondary; 6.5PV primary; 8.5PV secondary. I haven't opened up the secondary vacuum can to check the spring. I did find that the inlets are for 5/16" lines and fittings. I switched out the 3/8" inlets from the current Street Avenger. Were the original fuel lines 5/16"?


Decoding/Numbers / Re: Fisher Body Number Report (1969)
« Last post by william on December 13, 2018, 02:47:25 PM »
Back in the day I read two business books that mentioned De Lorean. Both authors thought he was one of, if not the best, car guy in Detroit. At 36 he was Chief Engineer at Pontiac; at 44 General Manager of Chevrolet. He didn't fit in at GM, didn't even try. As stated, his ego took over. The DMC-12 was a bad car even in those days, the SS body an expensive gimmick.

There is no denying he turned Pontiac around with the GTO; did it again at Chevrolet. That's how he should be remembered.

Looks like there is another auto industry maverick making news these days. Like them or not, its people like these that change the world.
Decoding/Numbers / Re: Fisher Body Number Report (1969)
« Last post by bcmiller on December 13, 2018, 02:25:51 PM »
Cool. I did order them book last night. :)
Originality / Re: Booster check valves
« Last post by KurtS on December 13, 2018, 04:56:04 AM »
I'll venture that different plants used different sources. So a 69 Camaro might be only a couple of versions, where as a full-size (with all those different plants) could have many suppliers / versions.
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