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General Discussion / Re: History of my 1969 Z 28, HELP 9N537973
« Last post by 69 Zee on June 22, 2016, 03:38:43 PM »
Like myself,  I'd like to find my second owner from the Sarasota Fl area.  ::)   I was thinking (when time allows) to search thru for the last name.  And/or if the town isn't that big,  I'm sure you could dig up a "Young" from that area that may lead to the original owner or family member.

Who knows and good luck, btw your local to me with a 954 area code (Broward Fl)   :D
Decoding/Numbers / Re: 67 Camaro possible pace car
« Last post by 68 Ragtop on June 22, 2016, 03:30:38 PM »
Was the firewall and tag  paint chemically stripped? Maybe that stripped the rivet caulk as well.
Decoding/Numbers / Re: 67 Camaro possible pace car
« Last post by Mark on June 22, 2016, 03:21:55 PM »
It does indeed look like a PC tag, all inof looks correct, but I think the tag has been off the car, or at least the filler has been pulled from the rivits.  What's the VIN?
Decoding/Numbers / Re: Caveat Emptor...another repro window sticker
« Last post by cook_dw on June 22, 2016, 03:19:17 PM »
I was being a little silly when I said the hobby would fall on its face but this hobby has changed a ton over the past 20 years..  And yes you have to do your homework that is a necessity.  But I guess my real point was you are never gonna stop people from making fake docs...  and the more they are talked about in a public forum; sooner or later someone will make one that can not be recognized as fake..  My theory has been and always will be that it is great on pointing out the fakes but discussing what is wrong vs what is right on a forum gives anyone with internet access the ability to better their craft..  With knowledge comes power; with power comes corruption..  I think its time for me to step back into the shadows..
General Discussion / Re: I got to drive my car!!!
« Last post by BULLITT65 on June 22, 2016, 02:37:13 PM »
Very cool color combo. Reminds me of Jimmy V's 69 Z, except yours is burgundy. Keep the pics coming ... :)
Decoding/Numbers / Re: Caveat Emptor...another repro window sticker
« Last post by BULLITT65 on June 22, 2016, 02:34:50 PM »
Not sure I agree that the hobby would fall on its face if GM had (has) them, and then released them. I think about PHS and the Marti reports, which seem to verify things for the Pontiacs and Ford/Mercury guys. Would there be some lawsuits? sure, but I think it would be on a small percentage of cars. When the NCRS all of a sudden had access to find out which dealer your car came from and the date it was produced, that may have led some guys to realize their cars docs and some components were fake, and may have resulted in some law suits, but I think many guys that don't bother to research, and just take the seller at their word, probably also didn't take the time to order that from the NCRS. I also believe there is a small percentage of us that can recognize a real window sticker vs. a fake.
William, Kurt, James, and others on here, have been great on weighing in on authenticity, and I believe has helped many of us learn how to spot originals, vs. helping the fraudsters make better fakes. There is no way of knowing this, but I am going off of how many fakes are still spotted, or mismatched cars that all of a sudden pop up with an original drivetrain. Hell I thought I found a window sticker from the same dealer as my car, (it was with a 68 Corvair), and it was a fake. So yes fakes are al over, but as Jimmy V alluded to, you have to check over all the docs and stamps.

I agree with Tim though the water mark, or identify-er should be on the front of the window sticker, make that much harder to duplicate, or that much easier to identify as a reproduction.
Decoding/Numbers / Re: Caveat Emptor...another repro window sticker
« Last post by cook_dw on June 22, 2016, 01:55:37 PM »
I am not really sure what the big deal is on the fake docs..  People do not realize (including many here) just how many fake cars that are out there..  The internet has become a great tool for people to find rare cars & parts as well as the people that make money off of faking these rare cars/parts..  Nothing will really change as people will continue to make reproduction docs and they will continue to become better and better..  Unfortunately sites like this where the issues that are talked about on said docs only gives the fakers corrections for the next batch..  If you have enough money you can buy damn near anything..  I honestly wish GM would release all their documents on all the cars they have ever built if they still have/had them...  And if they did Im not sure what the real outcome would be with the amounts of lawsuits that would filed..  The whole "hobby" would probably fall flat on its face.  There's your negativity from me for the day..
Originality / Re: Water pump Date Code
« Last post by cruizin69 on June 22, 2016, 01:50:47 PM »
THanks for the replies.
General Discussion / Re: History of my 1969 Z 28, HELP 9N537973
« Last post by paceme on June 22, 2016, 01:21:49 PM »
The Peconic Bay Region -AACA car club is located in Southold, NY which I'm very involved with. I also live close and know plenty of older muscle car guys, from back in the day.  I will print this post out and give it to a few of them. There is a Garage there called Wheelers, and the owner Dick may know. His tel is 631-765-3542. I see plenty of muscle car in there for repair...
Decoding/Numbers / Re: Caveat Emptor...another repro window sticker
« Last post by jdv69z on June 22, 2016, 01:09:39 PM »
I remember reading Colvin's By the Numbers books, and his comment that the actual car should stand on it's own merit independent of paper work. Seems like it's gone full circle. No one piece of evidence is conclusive, it takes examination of all the evidence (paperwork, trim tag, vin, date codes, part no.s, etc.) to make the case. And I have no doubt that even then, there are very had to detect counterfeits.
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