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General Discussion / Re: Front Bumper Guards
« Last post by ZLP955 on July 05, 2015, 10:56:31 AM »
Fascinating information, much appreciated William.
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Originality / Re: 67-69 Leaf Spring Shackles
« Last post by SgtHawkUSMC on July 05, 2015, 03:37:41 AM »
It actually is very hard to get the perfect ANGLE when trying to show short distances. I would say use a stick rule, or a 1 foot or 3 foot ruler. They are flat, and can lay down without curvature of a standard tape measure. But no matter what, you can't show the measurements at EACH end at the same time accurately if the item is more than 3 or 4 inches. It gets worse as the item gets longer. You can only show one side accurately at a time. At least that's what it seems to me. So you have to show the finished distance, and hope for the best.. D   
That's what I tried to do with my pics. I made it so you could see the correct distance, but you can't see where it starts as well.
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General Discussion / Re: Front Bumper Guards
« Last post by william on July 05, 2015, 03:10:01 AM »
Not that simple. 1969 Camaro dealer/customer ordering information was fragmented and confusing.

There was the showroom brochure, aptly named as it is what you would obtain at the dealer. There are at least two US versions of it: initial release and R1. R1 added the orange and yellow hounds-tooth interiors and the ducted hood, noted changes such as dropping the 327. But it never listed all the high performance options such as L78 or M22. The initial release did list JL8 even though it was not available.

There was the showroom album which covered all models. It was much more detailed; had actual paint and upholstery samples. It was to be continuously updated but most dealers did not bother.

There was a salesman’s pocket guide, same basic info as the showroom brochure with pricing information.

The best and most comprehensive source of ordering information was the Chevrolet Motor Vehicle Price Schedule. In its entirety, 10 pages of information. There are eight known revisions of it and probably more as the last date I have is June 6, 1969.

This culminated with the 1969 Camaro Order Form. 3 known versions: 6-68, 7-68, 12-68. Furnished to dealers on a pad; they were serialized with a 6-character alpha-numeric code in the upper rh corner that appeared on the window sticker. Every Camaro was ordered using this form.  It was unusually structured in that it did not list all options on the front. For example it only lists M20 ‘wide-range’ 4 speed; M21 & M22 had to be specified in the “additional options and special instructions” box.

Chevrolet made many changes to standard and optional equipment over the model run. It must have been challenging for a dealership to keep current.
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Originality / Re: how to duplicate correct trunk paint for a 69 LA Z28
« Last post by ZLP955 on July 05, 2015, 12:56:59 AM »
I'm keen to hear if there has been any recent progress in finding a technique for this too. As you know, the LOS spatter is much more stringy than NOR, yet because of the far higher numbers of NOR cars, that is the effect predominantly striven for.
There is a good thread over at sYc with a lot of reference photos and test cards, but again, mostly targeting the NOR look. URL is http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/510226/all/1969_Camaro_Trunk_paint
I have not trialled it yet, but this product has been recommended to me as a good product to use:
https://www.opgi.com/chevelle/1969/car-care-paint/paints-coatings-dyes-markers/CH26945/
That said, the difference between the 2 assembly plant's trunk paint is likely to be the application equipment, and without a lot of trial and error, not sure that this will ever be fully understood.
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Originality / Re: wire harness wrap
« Last post by BillOhio on July 04, 2015, 11:18:58 PM »
I got a chance to work on this more and there is a tan wrap at the end harness that looks like woven cloth that's an inch wide. Lectric limited has some fiberglass wrap that might be similar.  Anyone have an idea how long an area this was used to the starter? I didn't see anything in the aim.
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Originality / Re: 67-69 Leaf Spring Shackles
« Last post by dannystarr on July 04, 2015, 09:59:01 PM »
It actually is very hard to get the perfect ANGLE when trying to show short distances. I would say use a stick rule, or a 1 foot or 3 foot ruler. They are flat, and can lay down without curvature of a standard tape measure. But no matter what, you can't show the measurements at EACH end at the same time accurately if the item is more than 3 or 4 inches. It gets worse as the item gets longer. You can only show one side accurately at a time. At least that's what it seems to me. So you have to show the finished distance, and hope for the best.. D   
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Maintenance / Re: Starting problems
« Last post by rich69rs on July 04, 2015, 09:50:54 PM »
Happy 4th to eveyone.

FYI

The starter solenoid has been working perfectly with the lighter spring for a few weeks now. I got the silver grease in the mail but haven't used it on the connections yet because the car is running well and now is the time to be driving the car. The weather is too nice to spend in the garage working on it.

Mike.

Mike,

Great news and good to hear that you found the source of your hard starting issue.  About 11 years ago I ran into a similar situation with the starter (part number 1108338) in my '69 RS (327 with Powerglide).  Went through many of the same checks that you've struggled through and finally had the starter and solenoid rebuilt and since then it has been 100% reliable at all times, cold, hot, etc.

Moral of my story was that although all of the electrical connections were obviously very important to ensure minimal voltage drop, etc., the root cause of the my hard starting issue was the starter / solenoid itself.  Had both rebuilt and all has been good since.

Ran across the attached while looking for something else recently and I thought I would include it here for the future reference of others.  You will note, that after making a few basic checks, Chevrolet's recommendation to the dealers back in Dec 1968 was to replace the starter. 

Happy 4th of July!

Richard
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General Discussion / Re: Front Bumper Guards
« Last post by my69Z28camaro on July 04, 2015, 08:51:34 PM »
To all: thanks for the updates and answers. I started this after a discussion with another 69 owner who has V31's on a Chrome bumper and we did not see an "N/A with" for the VE3 bumper in the option spreadsheet.  My 69 has the VE3 option. I note that KurtS will adjust the option spreadsheet accordingly.  By the way, what is this "ordering info" look like or how can you get an electronic copy of it?
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Research Topics & Reports / Re: Earliest 3969341 and Latest 3894860 axles
« Last post by BULLITT65 on July 04, 2015, 08:45:33 PM »
*I am not sure about Johns having the sticker. It has a reproduction sticker on it now, ( you can see a pic of it in Jerrys book), and when I asked about a pic of the original sticker, I was told they never took a picture of it prior to restoration? So, much like Bryon with this thread, I would like to see another 08A car with the original sticker to verify that cars from 08A came with the sticker.
 So far in my research I have Zilch. Earliest I have seen I think was 08E. ( which would have been delivered after September 1st when it was required)
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Research Topics & Reports / Re: Earliest 3969341 and Latest 3894860 axles
« Last post by lynnbilodeau on July 04, 2015, 08:28:29 PM »
Lynn, not all government workers are bad.

I know not all Gov workers are bad.  Just easy to make fun of them.... like making fun of lawyers, right?   And I do that too.

There were very minor dents just in front of the pinion snubber, but nothing bigger than a pencil eraser.  I worked them out when I was detailing the floor, and did not have to use any filler.

Yes, I now know the 1 70 tank was first week of Aug.  Just didn't know at the time, and probably would not have used it anyway because of the dented up bottom.

Owning an 08A car has made me take special note over the years when I see one.   Seems that dated components are all over the place.  I have seen an 08A car with a May dated engine, as well as one with an Aug. 2 dated engine.  Engines, alts, distributors and trannys are all over the place, especially transmissions.

Also, 08A is when they started using the mylar vin decal in the door.   I know my car should have received one, but it didn't.  The John Berry car, which probably rolled out the same day, did get the sticker.
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