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General Discussion / Re: NCRS Can't Provide Dealer Name
« on: September 19, 2018, 05:32:39 PM »
Buzz I ran into a similar issue when I ordered my NCRS report only they did not offer a refund when mine couldn't be found. After speaking with Mark/NCRS Business manager over there I found out that they have 2 sets of documents that they can pull the dealer name from. The first set is from 1966 and the second was from around 1987 if I remember correctly. Since the dealership my car was sold at opened in 1968 and was sold in the early 1980's NCRS has no record of it ever existing. I was able to find some other information about the dealership using the NCRS data base lookup online but that is not an official data base maintained by NCRS. Like others have said it you decide to pursue there are many other people on the forum that might be able to assist.

General Discussion / Re: rebuilt engin startup
« on: September 06, 2018, 12:05:43 AM »
When my 383 was broken in we stayed between 1500-3000 rpm for around 30 minutes if I remember correctly. Then we allowed it time to cool down. My engine builder put in Joe Gibbs Driven break in oil at a 20w50 for break in then I was able to switch to VR1 10w30. Total run time for my engine on the dyno that day was about 4 hours while we dialed in timing, jet sizes etc.

Restoration / Re: 1968 RS Forensics
« on: February 07, 2018, 03:43:55 PM »
Very cool find congrats. I will be following this to see what else you find.

General Discussion / Re: Dealer number
« on: January 28, 2018, 03:04:37 PM »
I am still trying to get an understanding from NCRS on how their records are kept but it seems like the story keeps changing. I was originally told that the Corvette side had record of my dealer only to be told later that they didn't have the record and they found information from the historical center in Benton Harbor, MI. When I asked what historical society and what documents they had I was then told that none of the documents from the historical society had the dealer and zone numbers on them but someone from NCRS had observed the numbers at Bloomington Gold but could not verify if the window sticker was real. BUT if I could provide documents to send in and have them verified then they could change it.  ::) ::)To say that this has been frustrating would be an understatement.

General Discussion / Re: Dealer number
« on: January 11, 2018, 01:34:04 PM »
Mike from what I am told the online DB cannot be counted on for accuracy since anyone can put entries in there. So I can see why they wouldn't correct off of that. My issue was that one of the admins from the Corvette side was able to find record of my zone and dealer number but the Camaro side will not correct the report.

Gary I agree that this can be a very helpful tool also and that it should not be terminated. I like you am looking for confirmation of what I have been told by the original owner. All records that anyone has found points to the correct dealer being Ned Gates Chevrolet.

General Discussion / Re: Dealer number
« on: January 08, 2018, 02:28:18 PM »
Guys, the information is coming from GENERAL MOTORS records, not the NCRS. The NCRS is merely performing the service. If the information on the Shipping Data Report is incorrect, blame GM, not NCRS. And it's not the NCRS job to "correct" GM documentation. To the contrary, they have no ability to do that. They can only go by what's on the microfiche.


I agree Ed that records did come from GM. What is frustrating though is that I am receiving different answers depending on who I talk to over there. I have been told by one person that the dealer in question did exist and that they have a record of it. Talking to another person their record isn't enough to correct the shipping report.

General Discussion / Re: Dealer number
« on: January 03, 2018, 05:04:34 PM »
Shot me over your e-mail and I'll send you some cool articles about the Transistions between the 2 dealerships.


Thanks Paul I received the clippings you sent over. I was speak with Bob Demmel over at NCRS and he was able to find Ned Gates Chevrolet in his records from 1972 as Zone 45 Dealer 134. I have contacted Marylin who handles the Camaro look ups to see if she can correct my shipping report. I am wondering however if the Corvette and Camaro groups don't use the same records. To me that wouldn't make sense but who knows.

General Discussion / Re: Dealer number
« on: December 29, 2017, 06:26:11 PM »
Don't have any copies of paperwork just have 2 separate listings for them at the correct address and the zone and code you already have.


Thanks Paul. Doing some research it looks like it was name Twin Cities Chevrolet prior to being purchased by Ned Gates around May 1968. Could it be possible that the deal number stayed the same after the purchase?

Originality / Re: 1968 Z/28 distributors 1111266 to 1111467
« on: August 29, 2017, 05:11:13 PM »
05C build Dist 467 8E3
Thank you! Can you add when your engine was built since that is when distributor was added?
Sorry I cannot since it is not the original engine in the car.

Originality / Re: 1968 Z/28 distributors 1111266 to 1111467
« on: August 15, 2017, 03:25:15 PM »
05C build Dist 467 8E3

Original Cars and Details / Re: 68 Z28 Survivor - Lemans Blue -
« on: August 13, 2017, 01:57:21 PM »
Amazing car. I will be following this while working on mine. Must've been a week long run on Lemans Blue Z's. Mine was produced the same week.

General Discussion / Re: Dealer number
« on: September 08, 2016, 05:58:51 PM »
Thank you Paul. Any help would be appreciated.

General Discussion / Re: Dealer number
« on: September 08, 2016, 12:38:00 PM »
According to NCRS the online database is not official and anyone can upload information into it. That is why even though the database says that I am correct they still will not use it to correct my shipping report. 

General Discussion / Dealer number
« on: September 05, 2016, 01:32:50 PM »
I am wondering if anyone would have a document for Zone 45 Dealer 134 Ned Gates Chevrolet in Benton Harbor, MI. I received my NCRS shipping report for my 68 z/28 and NCRS has " Believed to have been shipped to National Car rental in Kansas City, MO." I just spoke with Mark at NCRS and he said that if I can find proof that Ned Gates Chevrolet was zone 45 dealer 134 that they could correct the report and also update their records.

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