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General Discussion / Re: Interesting Z on ebay

« on: July 29, 2015, 12:31:20 PM »

I agree, I don't think most buyers really worry all too much about matching numbers.  10's of thousands of muscle cars out there missing their original engine, and likely will never see them again.

 Nice to at least have a correct date coded replacement but again I don't think it's all that critical.  Once the original engine is long gone, just having a correct replacement type of engine with the right components on it is enough to satisfy most people out there.  It still feels and drives like a DZ.   Most important in my eyes is just having the foundation, the fact that it's a "real" Z is getting to be a real challenge to find nowadays, let alone worry about the drivetrain.  What I'm sick of seeing is Z28 badges on every Camaro ever made, and worse, people trying to pass them off as such.

Nice car, if I were on the market with that kind of dough, I'd buy it.

Could look at it another way, there are a handful of "real" Z's I've seen forsale, some with original engines, some questionable.   I'm talking cars that need full blown restorations from top to bottom.  Owners are wanting $35k or more for a car that needs completely restored. 
   Ask yourself,  How much would it take to completely do a frame off correct type of restoration to the level of the car in this thread?  This car isn't even what I would consider concours quality, but a very nice example.  Just some rough numbers, but lets take into consideration the people out there that have to sub out everything.  Paint and body work....$20 to $30k??  There are shops around here that won't even simply spray a car for less than $10k.   Taking it down to a rotisserie and doing it right??  Most shops charging upwards of $100 an hour labor??  The total amount of parts and pieces to buy is immense.  Want NOS stuff??  Even good quality reproduction will nickel and dime you to death.  When done, you can easily surpass $60k to $75k investment when you're paying $35k for a car to start with.  Those sellers don't want to admit it but it's reality for most people, and most likely why these cars are forsale in the rough shape that you see them in.
    Even at $75k  a car like this starts to look like a bargain.   Still kind of spendy for a 69 Z in my eyes but restoration costs add up quick.  I'd spend $75k on a car like this before I'd spend $35k on one that needs completely restored.  Plenty of others at a lower level of restoration in the $50-$60k range as well.   Just a different way to put things in perspective. 
 

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Restoration / Re: Fuel Tank Resto

« on: July 24, 2015, 01:11:48 PM »

I use the evaporust as described, works great.   If the galvanize is in good shape, I like to coat the tank in a satten clear, same clear I like to use on red oxide floors to make them easier to clean or wipe off, plus it seals it off and doesn't change the tone or tint enough to matter.

If you find the galvanize flaking off or spotty, I like to use a rustoleum metallic and dust the tank, it's the closest I've found to give a galvanize appearance.   Satten clear over that for more protection if desired.

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General Discussion / Re: EO Z/28 is back

« on: July 20, 2015, 03:00:32 AM »

Haha, you and me both Austin.   

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General Discussion / Re: EO Z/28 is back

« on: July 19, 2015, 10:32:44 PM »

With children in the car the majority of the time I think differently. 

Paul

Naa,   we all grew up in the back seats of classics, without seat belts even, and we all turned out just fine    Funny back then nobody gave it a second thought.   That gets back to all this garbage of society pounding safety into our heads that I mentioned earlier.....too much TV.

 Of course our kids are a big concern, but we've never felt their lives were in any danger just because I decided to drive a nomad, or a camaro, or....   No more than if I drove a new car.   I learned to drive in a nomad, manual drum brakes, manual steering, which became my daily for years after right up into the late 1980's.   
Actually I tend to believe we get noticed more on the road in a classic, rather than a cookie cutter car that blends in.  You still have to worry about the idiots but that's the case no matter what you drive.   I also find that we tend to drive the classics differently, more defensively, more cautious, and stick to back roads alot.  That type of approach keeps you out of 99% of the trouble you'll find.

Or, maybe we are just living on the edge Paul with disaster right around the corner

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General Discussion / Re: EO Z/28 is back

« on: July 19, 2015, 10:22:05 PM »

Funny that is my thinking. But we don't drive to far away and are able to avoid a lot of the busy times on the road.

Yeah I think we have alot in common when it comes to this stuff Bullitt, we are in the same situation, we don't really drive that far, 90% in town, and we avoid busy times as well.   We have been known to take long road trips in the classics several hundred miles away for a mini vacation but I also usually work a car event into that somehow, lol.   We only live once and I can't take the darn things with me when I'm gone.

Besides that, we live in a part of the country where we can drive them year round and enjoy without snow and road salt.  It's one of the biggest benefits of being out here.  It's definately classic car friendly.

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General Discussion / Re: EO Z/28 is back

« on: July 19, 2015, 09:03:27 PM »

Not that big into safety.  I think that's been pounded in our heads a bit too much over the years. 
   Neither of us can stand air bags and I'm not that big a fan of ABS either.  Also gotten a little sick of the all the plastic on these new cars.   Too bad safety started ruining the looks of cars in 1973 and has just progressively gotten worse since, now in more ways than just appearances.
    I guess we look at it a little different, I could step out of the house and run over by a bus too but that doesn't make me dress like the michelin man 

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General Discussion / Re: EO Z/28 is back

« on: July 19, 2015, 03:42:32 AM »

Slightly off topic but interesting chat,
    We've done the new thing, 3 vettes, 2 new camaros and a truck to name a few over the years.   Funny as we all get older my wife and I would rather drive classics now.  Pretty much the opposite of most old folks out there.  I don't care for the creature comforts and electronics anymore.  I much rather prefer the simplicity and ease of maintanance.  The fact that they keep appreciating while the new stuff plummets is a nice bonus 

  Even my wife has become a diehard.   She has a new camaro she can drive yet she has preferred to drive my 36 year old 1-ton truck daily while I work towards getting the RS Z ready for her.  Yep, she wants to drive it daily.  So the new car is getting shipped down the road.
 

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General Discussion / Re: EO Z/28 is back

« on: July 18, 2015, 05:10:55 PM »

Well Jerry being there isn't going to bring up the price IMO. He is just going to say something to effect of when he inspected the car back then, they peeled back different parts, and it just showed silver. So this may break down to people thinking it has the wrong color on it now, and hence $59k

Correct, I don't feel Jerry being there would increase the price, in my comment I meant to get across that it would actually have a negative affect on the price as he would likely state what he saw during inspection.
  Since he won't likely be at Mecum, we might see the price of this car go high because the controversy won't be there without someone reputable (like Jerry) to dispute the color, and not everyone reads the internet.  That's what I was trying to say.  Sorry if I didn't come across right.

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General Discussion / Re: EO Z/28 is back

« on: July 18, 2015, 05:08:36 PM »

Another example that is kind of the flip side of this, look at how popular the greens and golds were in the late 60's and early 70's.  They fell out of favor soon after.  I can't tell you how many 100's of classic cars I've seen throughout the 80's and beyond that had repaints a different color, usually black or red or blue, while the data tag showed green as the original color. 
   In alot of cases it's actually increased the sale prices, even though it's not the original color. 

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General Discussion / Re: EO Z/28 is back

« on: July 18, 2015, 04:59:38 PM »

Ok, how about this: Wouldn't it fetch more if it was just painted silver stripe delete with a black vinyl top?  Maybe the EO (pinkish hue) is just a turn off?

( I assume it is numbers matching drivetrain, I couldn't remember)

Since I paint these things for a living, and from what I've seen on the market over the years,,,,,YES I believe there is a good chance the car would sell for more if painted silver with stripe delete as that would appeal to a larger market and likely drive up the bidding.
   I like the current color as it's different, and I like different, but it's a turn off for most people.  There's a reason why it was a rare color back then, lol.   Things haven't changed all that much today either.

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General Discussion / Re: EO Z/28 is back

« on: July 18, 2015, 04:59:02 PM »

They always do better at the auctions as long as you get more than 1 person interested in it.  BJ is a perfect example of bidding frenzy but doesn't always reflect private sales.  Frankly I feel the car brought all it would bring at $59k and could have had alot to do with advertising, location etc..(just speculating).  It may be 1 of 1 but that doesn't make it desirable to everyone in that color (even though I don't mind it since I'm sick of seeing blacks and reds)   At BJ it would get more exposure, plus I'd like the idea of Jerry possibly being at BJ that may bring to light some of the controversy before bidding that may or may not reflect price.   

However on the other hand that didn't seem to affect the sale price of Ron Pratt's RS Z this past January with controversy surrounding that one.

You just never know how the public is going to react on that givin day.  It might do fantastic at Mecum even though they don't tend to bring as much money as BJ does.  Without a reputable person there to dispute the original owners claims, no controversy, and a good crowd, it could bring silly money.  Or you could have a bunch of people there that absolutely hate purple, lol.    I've seen color affect prices good and bad more times than I can count, whether original or not.  Wait and see.

Not everyone reads these forums, including myself until just recently and I've been around this stuff for 40+ years, didn't even hear of Jerry McNeish until last year and I've had the Z for 30+.  (Not really a fan of computers) So I  don't think what is said here is always going to have an influence on sales depending on who lives and breaths the internet world.

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General Discussion / Re: EO Z/28 is back

« on: July 17, 2015, 04:47:41 PM »

Ha, just pokin fun 

I do like the fact that you guys spend alot of time documenting these cars, keeping track of vins, sales etc... so we can weed the fakes from the real ones and potential new owners can do their homework.

I see this car as no different in that respect, so it's good that someone brought it to light that it's hitting the auction block.  At least a new owner can be sure he's getting a real Z.

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General Discussion / Re: EO Z/28 is back

« on: July 17, 2015, 04:34:22 PM »

Is this still a sore spot for you? 

I think we hear about all of them when they come up forsale       I don't care what color it is, At least it's a real Z for a change.  So we can at least be happy about that.

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General Discussion / Re: EO Z/28 is back

« on: July 17, 2015, 03:54:05 PM »

The original $59k selling price seems to be the area that most numbers matching Z's that are decently restored are going for among private parties.  In this case the color didn't seem to have any affect.  It will be interesting to see if a bidding frenzy jacks up the price at all, but that won't really reflect real world private party prices in most peoples opinions.

I've said it before, that's why I think people selling Z's and wanting $35k or more for a car that needs another $40k worth of restoration work are out of their minds when you can buy a nicely done numbers matching car in the $50-$65k range (not necessarily concours, but nice) and this car was just one example.

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General Discussion / Re: Interesting Z on ebay

« on: July 16, 2015, 12:48:28 PM »

Yep saw that a couple days ago when it first popped up.

My all time favorite color combo.  Love the golds, and coupled with white it just makes a stunning visual and very classy.  Not to mention a much cooler cockpit to go cruising in