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General Discussion / Re: 1969 Z28 Camaro owners - does your car have the RS option too?

« on: May 22, 2015, 03:21:00 PM »

Original here, but I can't tell if my vote was moved or not, as of right now there is only 1 vote for a real RS Z.  Am I the only one??  I don't see any options to change or even check my vote.

Edit:   haha, I figured it out, I removed my vote and then reinstated it, sure enough it now shows 2 RS votes.

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General Discussion / Re: Production numbers on RS Z28's?

« on: May 22, 2015, 03:19:32 PM »

From my time playing with these cars during the late '60's and early '70's...  I don't recall seeing very many '69 RS-Z28's at all.    OTOH, I do remember seeing most of the RS options attached to SS Camaros, or base V8 Camaros...  the RS option was a way to make the car look good.   Most Z28 buyers wanted their car to 'go fast'.. ..   they were also predominantly young men, who had more 'need for speed', than $$.   I'd also bet that a very large percentage of Z28 buyers were servicemen... (as MOST young men were in the service during that period - or college (but their money went to tuition) - and the servicemen had a place to sleep and food for 'free', so all we had to spend our money on were cars, insurance, and gas (leaving out other necessities such as booze and girls)!..

Gary, that is going to depend a lot on WHERE you are talking about.  That may be the case where you were at the time, but not around here. 

I may start a poll on the site to see who has what.  It won't be scientific, but it might be interesting.

I turned 16 in 1964 in the north Alabama area (a highly pro-Chevy area).. I was in the USAF at Keesler AFB, MS during the '68-72 timeframe, where I had a half dozen friends with 69 Z28s (not to mention many others running around).  I don't recall any of the Z28s I was familiar with that were also RS...  in fact, when I bought my current Z28/RS in 1976, it was one of the first I'd seen.   I, like most fellas my age, was predominantly interested in 'street performance' ... $100/run street races were not uncommon, and I did see some 'pink slip' races on the street as well!    Which parts of my prior post do you mostly disagree with, Bryon?   Are you old enough to have been involved in the street scene in the late 60's?  OR .. are you referring to the mid-late 70's when the cars began to be collectible and many got 'upgraded'?

I grew up in that time frame, and I remember alot of what I saw were standard Z's.  One RS Z that I remember and that was it.  Living in Cinci at the time about 45 miles from the Norwood plant and knowing people that worked there, you can just imagine the huge concentration of F-bodies that romed the streets.  It was a hot bed for camaros and firebirds.  There were even quite a few C.O.P.O camaro's roaming around.  I knew 4 different people at the time within a 30 mile radius that had C.O.P.O.'s.    One of my friends in particular (who still owns the car today in unrestored condition) has an RS C.O.P.O. and many believed throughout the 70's and 80's that the car was a fake, simply because it has the RS option.  They just weren't known very well at the time.  Of course today we have gotten wiser and now know there were quite a few RS C.O.P.O.'s built.  I also lived next door to a good friend who bought his C.O.P.O. in the early 70's (still has it too) Not an RS but was a street terror back in the day, now it's a restored cruiser on the weekends.
   Back then the 69 Z's with the RS option were kind of in the same boat as I recall and even quoted as rare in magazine articles at the time.  However I tend to believe there were more built than we were led to believe in the 70's and 80's.  A friend of mine still says they are pretty damn rare in his words.  With all that being said,  I still lean towards at least 4-5,000 being built on the Z28 platform as a reasonable guess.  I don't consider that rare when you look at the grand scheme of things.

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General Discussion / Re: Production numbers on RS Z28's?

« on: May 22, 2015, 03:02:32 PM »

I put my vote in. Curious to see how that turns out.  Hopefully you get alot of participation that might give you some interesting numbers to compare.

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General Discussion / Re: Production numbers on RS Z28's?

« on: May 22, 2015, 02:59:36 AM »

Wow, thanks Mr. Miller.  I never knew.  My links just bring me to the forums and seems I've been stuck here.  I have some reading to do 

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General Discussion / Re: Production numbers on RS Z28's?

« on: May 19, 2015, 09:35:51 PM »

Ah, thanks Mr. Miller.  Very detailed.  I haven't seen that page before.  I guess I haven't figured out how to navigate the site.  I go to the home page and can't really find many options to click around.  It appears I'm stuck in the discussion forum section for some reason, lol.

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General Discussion / Re: Production numbers on RS Z28's?

« on: May 19, 2015, 09:23:27 PM »

Excellent info guys, more than I could find or even hope for.  Thanks again.

I was thinking myself that it wasn't all that rare and probably around 20% of Z28 production or there about.  That's pretty close to the numbers you guys are figuring here.  Either way, it's waaaay more than what a friend is trying to lead me to believe (something like 3% or just a few hundred)   I figured there were quite a few thousand made.

I see it's broken down in Jerry's 67 and 68 fact books but I don't see mention of it in the 69 fact book.

Thanks for the link Bullitt, as soon as I figure out how to get that in my browser I'll check it out.

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General Discussion / Re: Production numbers on RS Z28's?

« on: May 19, 2015, 06:45:48 PM »

Nevermind, I found something I was looking for that's close enough.

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General Discussion / Production numbers on RS Z28's?

« on: May 19, 2015, 06:32:37 PM »

Or a percentage of total Z28 production might be an easier number to throw out possibly?  I'm thinking the percentage is much larger than a friend of mine is telling me.

Are those numbers posted on the site somewhere?  I'm sure this has been discussed in detail at some point.  If so I'm sorry if I'm wasting someones time, just point me in the right direction please.

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General Discussion / Re: 1969 Z28 Garage find after 20 years!

« on: May 18, 2015, 11:38:43 PM »

I should point out, I'm not knockin the car or the seller.  If he gets the numbers he seems to be tossing out, that's fantastic, and even better if your buddy gets the car Bullitt.  I guess that just means mine is worth a whole lot more than I ever thought it was 

Okay I'll shutup now

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General Discussion / Re: 1969 Z28 Garage find after 20 years!

« on: May 18, 2015, 11:15:08 PM »

If the car has a throttle cable, and there is mention of possible race history (I thought I had read) then it's a possibility it had a crossram on it at one time.  That however has no reflection on price in my eyes and is just speculation unless he has some documentation (or unless he has the setup included with the car of course  )  Otherwise it's just another Z28 that now needs the correct steel throttle rod sourced.

  Kind of sounds like the guy is seeing dollar signs and people are feeding it to him.  I still feel high $20's is too rich for that car considering it's very likely there will be an extensive amount needed to be spent on the car that could easily reach or even go beyond that purchase price. Likely why it's still on the market speaks volumes.  Closer to 20 and I think it would have been gone by now.

It's a need find, but from a buyers perspective ya gotta keep it real and not let anxiety get the better of you.

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General Discussion / Re: My Z arrived today!

« on: May 14, 2015, 07:39:06 PM »

Ditto.  These engines get away with it thanks to the camshaft bleeding off a fair amount of low speed cylinder pressure.  .050 duration numbers are healthy and the LSA is spread out pretty far on the stock cam.

However the tune has to be spot on with proper AFR's and I like to keep timing at no more than 36 total with a "not to aggressive" curve.  On top of that I like to keep engine temps as low as feesable.  When on the edge ambient temps can start playing a roll.

My only complaint is these cars not having a return style fuel system.  Couple that with ethanol blend fuels that are more prone to vapor lock, and you can sometimes have a car that doesn't like the heat of the day.   The higher octane helps here, but there are other tricks I do to fight this scenario if it becomes a problem.

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General Discussion / Re: 1969 Z28 Garage find after 20 years!

« on: May 09, 2015, 09:45:40 PM »

Thanks William, just trying to understand.  You just tought me something I wasn't aware of.  Now I'm not so sure about my own, lol.

Mind if I PM you about something so I don't clog up the thread here?

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General Discussion / Re: 1969 Z28 Garage find after 20 years!

« on: May 09, 2015, 02:24:49 PM »

Edit:  Looking at different car.

If it were a tach delete, yet has console gauges.  I see it has a clock which I thought came with console gauges.   And, if you got console gauges with the fuel gauge in the console, then there would be no need for a fuel gauge up in the tach pod.  If no tach then what would that be, a blank face??

Correct me if I'm wrong but console gauges triggered a center mount clock in the dash, or so I thought.   The fuel gauge moved to the console, which left the right side pod in the dash for the tach.  If the tach were omitted, what then?

I always thought they were either...
1) Just a speedo and fuel gauge in the dash, no gauges anywhere (center pod in dash is blank with "camaro" script).
2) Order a tach and fuel gauge moves to the center pod in the dash
3) Order console with gauges and fuel gauge moves to console, center pod in dash becomes clock.

What happens in the last scenario if a tach isn't specified?   I figured tach was mandatory when console gauges were ordered.

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General Discussion / Re: 1969 Z28 Garage find after 20 years!

« on: May 09, 2015, 03:00:43 AM »

I saw that too Vince, which is why my post talking about the short spoiler, I was questioning myself whether I was reading the date on the tag correctly.

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General Discussion / Re: 1969 Z28 Garage find after 20 years!

« on: May 08, 2015, 09:23:52 PM »

Yeah that's really what I was getting at with my comments and why I'd really have to see the car in person to make my own judgement call.  If the engine has been out of this thing for the last 20 years you never know what's missing or lost.  It's all those little things that nickle and dime you to dealth and easily turn into $1,000's when you're hunting parts.  Especially if reproduction isn't your thing and you must have OEM parts.  Then you get into a real treasure hunt that puts a dent in the bank account.