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Decoding/Numbers / Re: Are these numbers good .. 69 Z ?

« on: June 23, 2014, 03:26:23 AM »

The 'location' of the stamps wrt the head are a bit different than I'm used to seeing..  Perhaps JohnZ, William, or Kurt can comment on the gang stamp and if they can get this close to the head with the head installed??   Usually the stamps are more near the front edge of the deck than these...

Getting the casting dates, and all other info would be helpful in making an originality determination...

I'm awaiting for the block cast number, cast date and Trim tag (as some TT are repro)

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Decoding/Numbers / Re: Are these numbers good .. 69 Z ?

« on: June 23, 2014, 02:38:50 AM »

TT won't tell you much on that build date...valuable color though,lol. #s look good to me, IMO. Won't opin on alt.

yeah I'm liking the Orange w/blk Hounds and it's a pre "X" codes also

How's G-town buddy  ))

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Decoding/Numbers / Are these numbers good .. 69 Z ?

« on: June 23, 2014, 02:31:35 AM »

Hey guys, me again     Still searching for a real deal Z and ran across this one.  An Oct 68 build "10D" Hugger Orange w/Blk Houndstooth (I'll try to post the Trim tag as soon as I get a picture).  The rear and motor are to be original but the trans is not (but date correct).  Here's the DZ stamp (V1012DZ) along w/the VIN on the pad (looks like 9N520843) and the Alternator (837).

Opinions ?

Thanks again guys/gals

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Decoding/Numbers / Re: Fake or real DZ stamp and partial Vin ?

« on: June 16, 2014, 11:35:28 PM »

Thanks guys.. I was hoping for some fast feed.  I thought it looked to good and crisp and I'm just learning..lol  But most definitely will post. I'm no rush to get burnt.  Great site and I'm taking it all in.

Thanks gang ! 

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Decoding/Numbers / Fake or real DZ stamp and partial Vin ?

« on: June 16, 2014, 08:37:26 PM »

Looking for opinions and help.  I'm seeking a real 69 Z either restored or in need of restoration.  I've inquired out an X77 and was given these pics of the engine DZ stamp and the VIN stamp near the Oil filter.  I'm waiting on a better pic of the TT.  It's an 05A build and so far the numbers align within.  Does the DZ stamp look to crisp and straight along the blocks edge or can that be the norm ?  Also am I seeing some other numbers below the VIN stamp on the oil filter location..looks like I'm seeing part of a 3 or 5 or maybe I'm seeing things.

Thanks

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General Discussion / Re: What's it worth, untouched Cortez silver 69 RS Z

« on: June 14, 2014, 04:50:27 AM »

Looks like the person who just bought it is a flipper:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/251558724442
Buy It Now $23,500.........

Indeed. The gentleman has sold a couple of '69 Camaros in the last couple of months/year, but this is his biggest price to date. I like the "15 minute conversation" with Jerry MacNeish concerning the car, plus his direction to have Jerry come document the car after purchase. If only it had some documentation other than parts, he might get somewhere. Knowing today's market and some misinformed buyers, he still might get somewhere.
 
Not with my money - even as a "flat hood spoiler delete" rare car.

His one negative feedback rating came from an auction in 2013, a dispute over a Chevrolet Silverado truck descriptive condition.


Regards
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Looks like the person who just bought it is a flipper:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/251558724442
Buy It Now $23,500.........

Indeed. The gentleman has sold a couple of '69 Camaros in the last couple of months/year, but this is his biggest price to date. I like the "15 minute conversation" with Jerry MacNeish concerning the car, plus his direction to have Jerry come document the car after purchase. If only it had some documentation other than parts, he might get somewhere. Knowing today's market and some misinformed buyers, he still might get somewhere.
 
Not with my money - even as a "flat hood spoiler delete" rare car.

His one negative feedback rating came from an auction in 2013, a dispute over a Chevrolet Silverado truck descriptive condition.


Regards

The funny thing is that he probably had no clue to who Jerry Mc is ...lol, All that info and book came from the previous owner. 

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General Discussion / Re: What's it worth, untouched Cortez silver 69 RS Z

« on: June 14, 2014, 04:37:58 AM »

Trim tag is 69 cortez with 719 red custom interior.  Build is 08B Sept '68. Had.... proportioning valve

Which proportioning valve? The one under the booster?

Btw, it's 718, red standard.

Red deluxe ...red standard, never the less a rare color combo and early production..Boom !!  Already relisted on ebay and he'll make bank

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General Discussion / Re: What's it worth, untouched Cortez silver 69 RS Z

« on: June 14, 2014, 04:35:16 AM »

I had a really good feeling this was where the car was heading..to be flipped specially with the rare color combo and the early production date !  He'll get 15K-18K for sure.  Not bad, a 6-8K profit to load-and-go !  

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General Discussion / Re: What's it worth, untouched Cortez silver 69 RS Z

« on: June 09, 2014, 04:21:28 PM »

i looked in Jerry`s 4th edition book and he has 2 RS z`s pictured and neither one has the RS emblem in the grill. not saying it`s wrong to have the emblem but looks like it was added IMO.

Car sold !  I know a guy was coming up from the Miami area to look at it.. he must have bought it.
On the RS emblem.  If it was added it must of been added when the car was pretty new, within it being parked in '75.  You could tell it was aged and pitted equally to the rest of the car.

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General Discussion / Re: What's it worth, untouched Cortez silver 69 RS Z

« on: June 09, 2014, 03:12:35 PM »

So I looked at the auction, and noticed a couple of things different from my 69 RS/Z; Mine's a 10B (1968 build) car, so a month later than this one. No RS emblem on my grille, so maybe someone added that to this car? My steering wheel is also different. I have an RS emblem on my steering wheel. Mine has the wood grain insert as well. Should this one have the RS emblem on the steering wheel? I see the the bright pedal trim, so it's got the special interior group trim I believe.

Oh that's a good obsevation !  does anyone know if there are others out there with both emblems on the grille.  I did see the back side from inside the engine compartment and I saw the GM p/n's on the backs.

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General Discussion / Re: What's it worth, untouched Cortez silver 69 RS Z

« on: June 09, 2014, 01:45:30 PM »

Ok .. Here's the VIN, He was kind enough to send me a pic as well.  Also note as per my conversation with the current (2nd) owner,  Jerry Mc has never seen this car.  Jerry was called and asked several questions about it several years ago but the owner never hired Jerry to look at it..again, this was exactly what the owner relayed to me in person.

Hopefully some day the ORIGINAL drive train can be found and reunited with this baby, I just hope this post doesn't miraculously turn up a restamp out there for the new owner to get suckered into buying.  I guess it's a no win situation huh   

124379N507816

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General Discussion / Re: What's it worth, untouched Cortez silver 69 RS Z

« on: June 09, 2014, 01:29:18 AM »

ST 69 112437      NOR109427
TR      719                    69    69
08B

69 Zee..If you have the vin you might want to post it here for future searches. With RS and the color combo seems to me this car is a candidate to do the magic morph into a numbers matching car.

I was actually thinking the same.  I was planning to call him tomorrow and see if he would allow me to post it.  I also know he has someone coming up from the Miami area at 7am to look at it also.  But if I can get it, I will definitely post it tomorrow...fingers crossed !

Update:  I just hung up with the seller, an awesome guy.  He's going to call me tomorrow morning with the VIN so that I can post it.  I explained the situation that this car will show up in about 2 years from some Classic car restoration seller as a RARE all numbers matching RS Z.  He agreed for the protection of the 1st gen world.. awesome !!

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General Discussion / Re: What's it worth, untouched Cortez silver 69 RS Z

« on: June 09, 2014, 01:03:15 AM »

and to ZLP955,  yeah it would bother me to sink more $$ than it'd be worth.

Maybe you should get a car that is completed already as it is next to impossible not to get "upside down" when doing a resto...especially the more you learn about a model, the more you will not be satisfied with the status quo, meaning what your average car guy calls a restoration will not be adequate to you, an enthusiast (I hope), as you learn more and demand more.

Yeah that's the route I'm gonna take.  I've been educating myself just over a year now..and man have I learned a ton.  I truly think I read something every day in reference to these 1st gens.  I started off wanting just a X11 or X44.  Then that research guided me toward a Pace or a Z. And that's where I'm at now.  Though I do have the garage, tool and ability to rebuild one, I also money smart..lol, so I think.  If rebuilding one only puts me upside down a few thousand then I'm not that worried about that.  But 10-20K ..ugh Not happening here !  Now on the down side.. I'm anal (Virgo) and meticulous. So I'll be picking a resto apart also I'm sure.
I just joined this site, lurked for a few months and good to see others so helpful.

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General Discussion / Re: What's it worth, untouched Cortez silver 69 RS Z

« on: June 09, 2014, 12:38:34 AM »

Using my first gen calculator, I come up with $19,693.02

Hey Paul you must of grabbed the wrong calculator.  I'd didn't say grab the "one of a kind calculator" ..lol

Well, now that I've seen photos of the car and have input the current parameters, the calculator comes up with $1969.30!   

Paul

LOL  now thats funny

Dag gone it Paul ..lol  I'm about to take away your Camaro card.  You gotta put away that Abacus, you'd be better off using your hands and feet ..lol

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General Discussion / Re: What's it worth, untouched Cortez silver 69 RS Z

« on: June 09, 2014, 12:26:10 AM »

Its easy to get excited about something when its right in front of you and you have an opportunity. But, it takes some discipline to walk away when it doesn't make sense. Good for you. I like that color combo too.

Yeah I agree.  I will say it was very cool to snoop around it for several hrs and see something untouched since '75 (wow..only 6-7 yrs after built) and how it really rolled off the Norwood line.  Seeing the overspray and all, heck even the frame rails were silver and solid.

and to ZLP955,  yeah it would bother me to sink more $$ than it'd be worth.  But whoever buys should definitely have Jerry come to verify/certify that it's the real deal.  Cause once you start cutting away..you now have a RS tagged as a Z