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31  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Re: Trans-Am cheating fact or fiction ??? on: March 31, 2014, 07:14:43 PM
       Great looking car I am sure we must of had the pleasure of competing against it back in the day ....Smokey was quite a character and a brilliant engineer, but I think he got carried on his interpretation of the rules on some of his projects.........
32  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Favorite Independent Trans-Am Driver ??? on: March 31, 2014, 06:56:14 PM
      With the majority of the teams racing in the Trans-Am series being independents I think not enough credit has been given to the unsung heroes who soldiered on in inferior cars, prepared by underfunded teams for little or no compensation
 
     Perhaps our members could reveal their favorite Drivers and why... In deference to my two drivers Robert Barg and Dick Hoffman who did more with less than anyone I know and in all fairness to  others I will go outside my own team for my choice and pick one of the most exciting drivers ever to race in the Trans Am.

I will not divulge this drivers name but a very big clue is the car he drove pictured below ...............
33  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Re: Trans-Am cheating fact or fiction ??? on: March 31, 2014, 01:48:59 PM
In my opinion they were both very aggressive drivers.......... I can still remember their famous duel in the desert at Riverside in 1969, watching the two of them go at it was some of the most intense racing action that I have ever witnessed............ Sadly for Ford the Mark's Camaro prevailed and they went on to win the race and the championship.
34  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Re: Trans-Am cheating fact or fiction ??? on: March 28, 2014, 09:40:38 PM
I think that all competitors were treated equally............ Once at Mid Ohio we were cautioned on the offset off our rims ......... No problem we put the correct ones on then changed back to the good ones before the race. The whole inspection process was pretty rudimentary and I am sure that only the most obvious transgressions were scrutinized and very little if anything was acted upon.

Here is a link to a very interesting article that Sam Posey did for Hagerty about the series.

http://www.hagerty.ca/articles-videos/articles/2013/08/14/Trans-AM-Memories
35  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Re: Trans-Am cheating fact or fiction ??? on: March 28, 2014, 03:04:46 PM
We know that the cheating went on from both the factories and the privateers who were just trying to do their best to level the playing field. The problem I see is if you tell the privateer he can't run because of a violation, it's not a big deal because there is probably some other privateer that could take his place on the grid. If you tell the factory team they're not going to be allowed to race, SCCA takes a lot of heat from both the factory affected and the track owner who is trying to sell tickets. It's the big name drivers who were driving the attendance and the big name drivers were only in the factory backed cars. It wasn't fair but the SCCA officials seemed to pick on the little guys more.
Jon,
       I know the SCCA was basically between a rock and the hard place and they were trying to do the best job they could with very limited resources. But unfortunately this led to some of the competitors being able to take advantage of their leniency.........Example I think we were well into our 3rd. season before anybody decided to do a displacement test before or after a race. Hell even your local Stock Car tracks had stricter inspection procedures than we did//. But you know what in the end the racing was great everyone got their monies worth and I guess that's all that really matters.

AL
36  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Re: Trans-Am cheating fact or fiction ??? on: March 28, 2014, 09:41:46 AM
MO,
      I agree with you 100% but at least in Nascar racing if you bend the rules you better be prepared to accept the consequences .....

http://www.popsci.com/cars/article/2009-05/nascar-driver-fined-200k-0-17-cubic-inch-engine-violation

AL
37  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Re: Trans-Am cheating fact or fiction ??? on: March 27, 2014, 10:09:21 AM
anobyte,
            Thanks for your comments I think your analogy is totally spot on........... With the purses dropping and waning interest in the series and I was forced to pull out of racing in 1972 . I continued to crew for Richard Hoffman on a part time basis...........My former driver Robert Barg continued to run as an independent for a few more years, while working in the revenue department for the Federal Government and Roy Bean one of my crew went on to work with the Maurice Carter Trans Am team.
 
     At present I own a Nursery / Landscape company http://www.hollandvalley.ca and in my spare time I like to restore classic cars...see below.

AL
38  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Re: Trans-Am cheating fact or fiction ??? on: March 27, 2014, 08:52:31 AM
Mo,
                     Back in 1968 when I took my entire life savings and decide to go Trans-Am racing I knew that I would be in tough against the heavily fund factory teams  maybe I was a bit naive but I thought that at least I would we would be racing on a level playing field............ To me when the rule books say your car has to way 2800 lbs. not 2650 or less and your engine should be 5 liters  not 6 or 7 liters.........Nascar spends millions of dollars to ensure that  all teams adhere to the rules and you can bet your ass that if any of their competitors were caught with an over sized engine they would be gone for the season.
   When we were racing back in the day we were playing to packed houses everywhere we went........ Maybe someone should have earmarked a little more of the attendance money for tech inspectors.

AL

   
39  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Re: Titus interview on: March 26, 2014, 08:16:21 PM
Very solid driver, who knows what he would have done with better equipment .......
40  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Re: Trans-Am cheating fact or fiction ??? on: March 26, 2014, 04:51:52 PM
         I do not have  issues with those that use a bit of creative engineering when building their cars but I do have a problem with race teams that run oversize engines and have to add ballast at the end of the race in order to past post race inspections.

And by the way I was there.
AL
41  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Re: Trans-Am cheating fact or fiction ??? on: March 26, 2014, 02:49:16 PM
Ken,
    First of let me say that the SCCA tried to do the best they could with a handful of people where Nascar would have a small army to inspect roughly the same amount of cars............... Did they overlook stuff, yes they certainly did I can remember being at St. Jovite in 69/70 when one of the local track stewards who was helping SCCA with the inspection produced a set of body templates to make sure that all the cars conformed to manufacturers specifications. The local guy was told to remove them from paddock as they had no intention of using them, obviously SCCA did not want to open a big can of worms.

        We all know about the acid dipped bodies and creative suspension mods and I am fairly sure that for the most part I think that a lot of teams were using over sized engines....... To the best of my knowledge SCCA never bother to test engine displacement till 1972 after getting a lot of pressure from the independents. I am not sure about Penske doing a car switch but it certainly would not surprise me .........But  I do believe they were caught being 250 lbs underweight in a post race inspection at Sebring.

       As far Smokey Yunick is concerned from what I read he was quintessential cheater but I don't think he had any influence in the Trans-Am series.
AL

    
42  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Trans-Am cheating fact or fiction ??? on: March 26, 2014, 10:57:24 AM

     Anybody who is a fan of early Trans-Am racing has probably heard stories of blatant cheating taking place by the factory teams. Having competed in the series back in the day, we were certainly aware of the fact that there was some, shall we say, 'creative engineering' taking place.  Though, we never really knew to what extent it was happening.

 My question to members of this forum is how bad do you think  the cheating really was? ............. Did John Taminus and the SCCA  inspection crew turn a blind eye to what was going on? And, if they did, was it detrimental to the sport ?

AL
43  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Re: The Inside Story of Campaigning an Independent 67 Camaro in the Trans Am on: March 25, 2014, 10:34:11 AM
Yes I am pretty sure that garnet red was the cars original color but I will have to check the trim tag to be sure. The car is going to Camaro Specialty this summer for interior work then if I have any funds left over I would like to paint it Blue in the same livery of our 67 Race car. A repaint will no be a big priority as the body and paint are still in pretty good shape. 
44  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Re: The Inside Story of Campaigning an Independent 67 Camaro in the Trans Am on: March 24, 2014, 10:40:48 PM
The block is a 30 over 350, I am keeping the compression at around 10:1 so I can run pump gas without any problems....... Penske was using Traco engines supposedly they were putting out around 450 HP we were probably 30 HP south of that. With today's technology and the right parts I think something around 475 should be easy......... Nascar engines are making over 850 HP out of 5.8 L . The cam we ran was a specialty item with a GM part number but I have a feeling it was probably made by an outside vendor due to the limited production volume.The other factor might be the fact that back then Cam manufacturers were focusing more on Drag Racing than Road Racing so we might not of had the good stuff Not sure what your application will be but be sure to remember that with an aggressive cam it certainly will not be a torque monster
 



 
45  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Re: The Inside Story of Campaigning an Independent 67 Camaro in the Trans Am on: March 24, 2014, 02:29:26 PM
Sorry Jon.......Obviously a rookie mistake !!
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