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16  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Re: Racing AMX Information on: December 11, 2013, 11:14:49 PM
Check the rear end caps and decklid on the 4 car:http://www.carcraft.com/thehistoryof/trans_am_racing_early_years/photo_06.html

Compare to the b & w pick where you can just make out some dark spots on the rear quarter end caps and decklid:

Steve
17  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Re: Racing AMX Information on: December 11, 2013, 03:37:50 PM
Thanks! This is some help and then some. Need to get a copy of the Friedman book. Maybe I can buy a good used copy.

   It looks as though starting with WG that the 10 car which used to be the 33 car now belonged to Rocky Mountain Racing and I do believe the 10 and 33 car pics have been compared and discussed before. In addition, the #3 '68 Revson car blurb on Fantasy Junction -http://fantasyjunction.com/cars/773-AMC-Javelin%20Trans-Am-V8 and in other discussions elsewhere indicate that the #3 which sold a few years back in its original '68 livery lists the # 3, Tullius, Hunter, 3 history. Russo & Steele recently auctioning the car:http://www.russoandsteele.com/collector-car/1968-AMC-Javelin-Trans-Am/1462 descrribes the 33/Tullius relation and 10/Hunter relationship.
   
So, what remains yet is tracing the beginnings of the # 47 car. Klvnr8r or his brother may shine abeacon on that if one of them can come up with the article that apparently shows the 3 Kaplan cars in his shop pre or early '69 season. Was the 3rd car a body in white? Does it have a domed hood, or at least, signature fender bulges? Stay tuned erstwhile TA fans, let the nail biting begin... Grin

 S A
18  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Re: Racing AMX Information on: December 11, 2013, 02:10:00 PM
Awesome. That narrows down the potential confusion as well as pinpointing that the number 4 car and the number 47 cars cannot be one and the same at the same race. The number 4 car is out of the picture, and the number 3 car is separate and distinct from the number 47 car at the same race. Now, finding a photo of both the #'s 55 or 33 at this race will help. Then it is left up to contacting Dewar ( is he still alive? ) or someone else familiar with JNO Racing Enterprises Ltd.which was described as being in a converted grocery store location in Hull( across from Ottawa ) Canada at the time (1971) by photographer ( then - Ottawa Baby Photographers ), Allan De La Plante.

Steve
19  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Re: Racing AMX Information on: December 11, 2013, 12:37:51 AM
Ok, I need some help from some of the other guys here. I've tracked down more information on the Dewar Javelin. Below is a picture of it attributed to St. Jovite, the week before Watkins Glen in '69. Now, here's where your assistance comes into play,  the same car can't be 2 cars at the same place at the same time. So, some better accounting than Racing Sportscars posts must be available. If it is not, then the # 47 Dewar car is the #4 Kaplan car in JNO Racing Enterprises Ltd.livery but is the 4 car. Yet separate references to the car, such as where I got the photo:http://kzmotorsports.com/911L-Race-History-Overview.html- photo 15, the car is referred
to, naturally, as the #47 Dewar Javelin. Yet, when one goes here:http://www.racingsportscars.com/type/results/AMC/Javelin.html and one goes to the 1969 results the connundrum presents itself. Check out the entries for the St.Jovite race on August 3rd of 1969 and then check out the entries listed for the Watkins Glen race on August 8th. See the problem? The discrepancy needs deconfliction.

20  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Re: Racing AMX Information on: December 10, 2013, 11:10:58 PM
...a friend of mine, Adam Tarr, sent me this link on SCCA AMX racing....I currently own the #66 Bill Ackerman car from the St. Louis area: http://ssamx.com/1968_scca_bp_AMX.htm  The only information that I have on the car is the information that I got from the previous owners.  If anyone has any history, pictures or documentation on the car, I would greatly appreciate it...thanks Mike

Hello, Mike. Welcome aboard. I'm currently working behind the scenes on the request you posted for more information on the 66 AMX. When I get some solid feedback from the source(s) I'm going through I'll post here or hook you up with the information.

Steve
21  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Re: Racing AMX Information on: December 08, 2013, 06:16:40 PM
This is awesome!  Thanks, Mike, for starting the… wait for it…Express of ideas and photos that led to Robert inviting Grant. Grant, thanks for coming over.

Steve

Excuse me, I didn't notice that it is Gary Grant, not just Grant.

Steve
22  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Re: Racing AMX Information on: December 08, 2013, 12:37:21 PM
I had wondered if it might have been white originally. Thanks for the rundown of how it was originally equipped. Looks to be a good, solid car.

I think that Kaplan for sure made at least three cars in '69 because I believe Don White's car that ran in Nascar GT was a Kaplan-built car.

True, but that car was set-up way different than the TA cars. Craig could probably add to that. There is a Redliner newsletter put out by AMC back in the day that a Mr. Thomas Benvie, SS/AMX historian, from Massachusetts posted on an AMC site that mentions the RKE ( Ronnie Kaplan Engineering/ Inc.) running a three car team in '69. Unfortunately it looks, so far, that the #33 Javelin, a '68 car, might be that third car. I was hoping there was comfirmation that the Dewar car was that third car. More research is necessary.

Steve
23  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Re: Racing AMX Information on: December 08, 2013, 12:28:23 PM
I know this is thread is mostly about AMX's but have any of you knowledgable AMC guys seen this cool old ad?  While it shows Javelins it does mention the "HOT" AMX.  I found it while searching for something else.  It was posted by someone named 2drpost" on a thread about vintage Canadian auto ads here: http://canadianponcho.activeboard.com/t53167695/vintage-auto-ads/

There are some pretty cool ads featuring Camaros as well.

I've never seen that ad. It is cool. If his site isn't defunct, a fellow known as Arctic Boy would love to include that in with his AMC memorabilia.
The interesting car I see in the ad drawings is the one to the left of, and directly below, The Doug's Header's funny car Javelin. It looks like a cross between a Camaro and a '70 AMX or '71 Javelin.
   It is also interesting that dealer is in Brampton, Ontario. That was the location of a major AMC factory and engine plant if recall is accurate.

T S
24  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Re: Racing AMX Information on: December 08, 2013, 12:14:41 PM
This is awesome!  Thanks, Mike, for starting the… wait for it…Express of ideas and photos that led to Robert inviting Grant. Grant, thanks for coming over.

Steve
25  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Re: Racing AMX Information on: December 07, 2013, 06:15:15 PM
I'd like to know the story behind the white engine bay on the early production '69. That Camaro looked mighty tempting.

Steve

I see now why the bay is white. The whole car was white at one point. It looks pretty decent and it's a fairly well appointed one. It's a Go-Pac model:
- 343 4V or 390 4V Engine
- Power front disc brakes
- Special-duty handling package
- Twin-Grip rear axle differential
- Heavy-duty engine cooling system
- Red-line Polyglass tires and 6 inch rim wheels
- Over-the-top Racing Stripe

Interesting that it has what looks like manual steering and though the driver mirror is remote it doesn't look like there was a passenger mirror so this probably does not have the optional "visibility group". It does have power brakes though. And the inflatable spare option. The Matador Red exterior/charcoal interior is a desireable combination. This is an early '69, hence the aftermarket Competition Plus Hurst shifter arm in the trunk.

Steve
26  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Re: Racing AMX Information on: December 07, 2013, 02:06:52 PM
steve, thanks for your replies on questions to do with the dewar javelin, and the hunter pirahna AMX. my friend adam from whom the javelin & bannerman AMX photos came from, has many more images that he will slowly digitize. something to look forward to !

   mike group/7

My pleasure. When it comes to the Javelin you asked about, I think Craig should add what he knows because I think that he's on to something with a possible 3rd Kaplan Javelin. If Adam ( Javelin GT ) could get on this too we might really find some fascinating stuff because he's talked with both Kaplan and Martin if my memory is correct.

Steve
27  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Re: Racing AMX Information on: December 07, 2013, 02:01:22 PM
Let's look at it this way. That Z-28 that sold on Ebay would have been that much more nice with an AMC 343, T-10, and AMC 20 rear installed. Wink I'm all for equality. Grin

Steve
28  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Re: Racing AMX Information on: December 07, 2013, 03:12:06 AM
I'd like to know the story behind the white engine bay on the early production '69. That Camaro looked mighty tempting.

Steve
29  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Re: Racing AMX Information on: December 06, 2013, 05:00:53 PM
I'm glad Jon and Craig weighed in today. Something has really been up my rear lately and I apologize for looking at things the way I have as of late. Craig, I'm sorry about the things I've assumed about you. I'm still working on my rough around the edges quirks that i allow to pop up still sometimes.

Jon, I apologize to you as well for acting like a three year old. 12 is fine, that is my general maturity level ( according to my wife - and I gleefully agree ) but three is a little retrograde, even for me.

Mike, I hope you keep asking questions, I am doing what I can regarding your questions and I imagine Craig or Javelin GT ( Adam?) can add to things Kaplan.


This stuff is important to get right. I do agree that what happened to the TEAM car needs ascertaining. I have my reasons and background for why I state and still state that the two b&w photos of the car known as the TEAM AMX are two photos of the same car separated by modifications and probably three years.


If I get the invite, the first items I'll check will be inspection stamps on the main roll bar uprights, if the original exists. The next thing will be to look at key chassis areas, where, even if stripping is throroughly done, original paint remants remain. According to James Alexander, the TEAM car started out as a body in white. Only one other period AMX has a similar background, that I am aware of, and that is the Bruce Morehead ( the "Sebring" AMX ) two-seater. Cars like the Bannerman Express are question marks in that regard.

If the car still exists and it is still equipped with some of the cosmetic markers that are unique to it in racing circles, such as the "Big Badesque" drilled front bumper ( the only road race two seater AMX that I ever saw with that chrome bumper strip and then raced from new), the way the hood fits above both front fenders, the X brace behind the grille, evidence of the removed central vertical support bar in front of the grille( giving the TEAM car in original photos a Javelin look ) the location and style of the hood pins, the factoryesque instrument panel with twin vents up top, evidence that a lightened passenger seat was mounted at one time, the prominent factory style torque links, and the probable, if it is assigned, 290, 4-speed VIN among other things that are unique, such as the rear window straps and how far apart they are, then alot of questions and differing perspectives can be put to bed.


SA



 Ps  If it is there, and it's "the one", if they are willing, then we'll explore the possibility of changing ownership. Those are big "ifs". First things first.
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